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Title: My challenges
Post by: Ara Ararauna on July 15, 2013, 02:00 PM
Hi,

I haven't had much luck with wind inland. This weekend I went to the beach for a couple of hours and was a bit better although a bit strong.
So I took out my Soul.

I'm still having troubles getting the fade in a stable and consistent way. I get a good fade out of 20 attempts  ::)
I feel I am now getting better fades by doing a dip-flare-fade entry rather than through a fractured axel.

Once I get a fade I can now more or less do a couple of backspins. So I'm happy there.
Also I mannaged to do two AVFFFs in a row. So also quite happy there.

What I cannot get at all is the up-down control of the fade.
In general if I wish to stabilize the fade I must stand still to keep it in place. Sometimes I must walk towards the kite to avoid it entering a strong dip.
But if I try to rise the fade by pulling slowly and lightly, the kite immediately dips down and I have to quickly recover to avoid a nose dart on the ground.
Something is escaping me and I don't know what it is...

Mind you, I obviously have no video proof of anything I'm explaining. It is too dangerous to leave my camera (mobile) a certain distance away from me to record my flying. So I think I'll never be able to get all this on video...  :(

As always I'll keep practicing...
Cheers


Title: Re: My challenges
Post by: adx1592 on July 16, 2013, 05:48 AM
Fades, like sideslides, are probably the most finicky thing to control in the entire trick repertoire. When getting a fade to rise, I'd try doing nothing but keeping the hands steady and walking backward ever so slightly and steadily. I wouldn't 'pull' anything really, I'd do it all with my feet. Try that, and see if it helps. What kite are you working with it on?


Title: Re: My challenges
Post by: Ara Ararauna on July 16, 2013, 08:10 AM
Thanks adx1592 (Devin)

I was that day flying my FW Soul because winds were around 18Km/h
But I have been trying this on the Soul, on the TalonUL and on the new Aura.

So I will try this tip next time I'm out in the field.
Cheers.


Title: Re: My challenges
Post by: tpatter on July 16, 2013, 08:17 AM
Keep this in mind as well.  Apply slight tension when the nose is pointing up to rise the fade.  Slightly de-tension when the nose is starting to point down in order to flatten the fade again or lower it. 

The key is that you need to maintain some line tension - no slack.  It's small/subtle/gradual movements and much easier in clean wind than the bumpy stuff.

Good Luck,
-Tom


Title: Re: My challenges
Post by: Ara Ararauna on July 16, 2013, 09:53 AM
Keep this in mind as well.  Apply slight tension when the nose is pointing up to rise the fade.  Slightly de-tension when the nose is starting to point down in order to flatten the fade again or lower it. 

The key is that you need to maintain some line tension - no slack.  It's small/subtle/gradual movements and much easier in clean wind than the bumpy stuff.

Good Luck,
-Tom

Yes thanks. I do try to apply that.

But remember that, the distance between theory and practice is larger in practice than in theory...   ::)   :(

Cheers!  :)



Title: Re: My challenges
Post by: jaydub on July 16, 2013, 09:57 AM
Wait til the wind drops to about 8km/h and have a go with the Talon UL.  ULs tend to less pitchy than standards and hold a fade better.

Or maybe even try the Aura in less wind.

You will struggle with most kites to hold a steady fade in 18km/h.


Title: Re: My challenges
Post by: ko on July 16, 2013, 11:29 AM
working the rising fade is the only time I keep my hands at my chest (a REALLY  old timer Glen Rothstien hooked me on that) What works for me besides the info above is to wiggle the wingtips back and forth a bit. either Lam or Tom P helped me with that. I think I have a vid somewhere I will look


Title: Re: My challenges
Post by: Ara Ararauna on July 16, 2013, 11:41 AM
OK I will try all that.

Yes, I guess strong wind makes reactions too fast to control well.
I was lately trying to keep my hands at the sides and was working quite nicely.
Before that I would place my hands together in front of me as if I wanted to keep them visible to better control the kite.
One could also say I was praying to Eolos to help me in getting the fade...  ;)

So I'll try the chest blockage and compare.
Cheers.


Title: Re: My challenges
Post by: ko on July 16, 2013, 04:17 PM
I like this one as it shows how little movement is needed
if the wind is cooperating
Fade Tutorial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVZRBSndDFk#ws)


Title: Re: My challenges
Post by: alien on July 17, 2013, 07:18 AM

So I'll try the chest blockage and compare.
Cheers.

Go easy on the blockage Ara,
at 47 you need to keep your chest unblocked,trust me on that!
Mama is in the zone great video,INSPIRING,thanks Ko............ 8)
Very good video to the point of"OH NO,MY NEW OBSESSION BEGINS"
Good one Ara?


Title: Re: My challenges
Post by: Ara Ararauna on July 17, 2013, 01:43 PM
Good one alien.
 :)

So 47 huh? But I feel 18  ;)


Title: Re: Re: My challenges
Post by: trigger on July 20, 2013, 05:46 PM
on the east coast now. Was trying to get to the beach tonight for a night fly and some video for the challenge.  it seems that mother nature doesnt like me or somebody (RobB) used up all the wind on the other side of the sound.  I will get some video this week though.

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Title: Re: My challenges
Post by: RobB on July 20, 2013, 07:49 PM
The wind was kickin' 10-15mph out of the south all day today. I don't know what's up with the lack of wind on the other side of the Sound... Seems like it's been doing that all summer. Blow off the family & catch the first ferry down in the morning... It's supposed to be 5-7mph wind, onshore in the morning. I'm going out until I get burned !   8)


Title: Re: Re: My challenges
Post by: trigger on July 21, 2013, 06:27 AM
sounds awesome! if it wasnt for my father in laws 60th today id be there! just checked the Bug... 1mph right now..ahhhh

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Title: Re: My challenges
Post by: Ara Ararauna on July 23, 2013, 12:31 AM
So I think my main issue is in general crummy winds.

I went to the beach this last Saturday and the breeze was very light but reasonably steady.
I managed to do quite a few fades with my Aura.
I even got to do a rising fade which got me pretty much in awe...  ???

I mainly got all fades through dip-flare-fade.
I still cannot control the fractured axel technique. I very often get a strange spin axel when I try to pull the kite into the fade...  :-[

Also, once in the fade, I managed to do quite a few flic-flacs. I think I've got that one definitely in my repertoire  ;D

I was also trying out some backspins but I only got the kite to turn 180 and exit the fade.
A very nice exit indeed, but not what I was intending to achieve.

So all in all I'm getting there but I definitely need clean winds to support my learning process and stop my frustration process.  ;)

Cheers!


Title: Re: My challenges
Post by: RobB on July 23, 2013, 04:24 AM
Ara, in the long run, the crummy winds will make you more sensitive to the lines and you'll find that you can fly even better when you finally do find some smooth wind. Always look for the bright side...    ;D


Title: Re: My challenges
Post by: Ara Ararauna on July 23, 2013, 05:42 AM
Ara, in the long run, the crummy winds will make you more sensitive to the lines and you'll find that you can fly even better when you finally do find some smooth wind. Always look for the bright side...    ;D

Sure!  ;D


Title: Re: My challenges
Post by: Wayner on July 23, 2013, 02:44 PM
Once in the fade, I managed to do quite a few flic-flacs. I think I've got that one definitely in my repertoire  ;D


 ;D  ;D  ;D

I even got to do a rising fade which got me pretty much in awe...  ???


Doing a fade launch is a great way to practice the rising fade. That is how I learned. You can practice them all day from a fade launch.    :)



I mainly got all fades through dip-flare-fade.
I still cannot control the fractured axel technique. I very often get a strange spin axel when I try to pull the kite into the fade...  :-[

What type of strange spin.   ::)

I like to enter the fade from a vertical half axel.  Fly straight up the middle of the wind window. Do a half axel. The kite will be pointed nose down and the sail unloaded.  Perfect position to pull into the fade.


Title: Re: My challenges
Post by: Lou on July 23, 2013, 03:57 PM
Quote

I mainly got all fades through dip-flare-fade.
I still cannot control the fractured axel technique. I very often get a strange spin axel when I try to pull the kite into the fade...  :-[

What type of strange spin.   ::)

I like to enter the fade from a vertical half axel.  Fly straight up the middle of the wind window. Do a half axel. The kite will be pointed nose down and the sail unloaded.  Perfect position to pull into the fade.


I was actually having the same issues this weekend with the SixthSense and the Fractured Axel method.  I literally also learned to start the half axel from a straight up entry also.  It seemed alot easier to execute initially from that position.  Once I started to get comfortable with the timings required I was able to go back to entering from a Fractured Axel when sweeping across the window or from any angle really.  The straight upwards position or from a very tight turning radius that ultimately ends upwards has given me the best results so far.  Good luck!


Title: Re: My challenges
Post by: Lou on July 23, 2013, 04:08 PM
Ara, in the long run, the crummy winds will make you more sensitive to the lines and you'll find that you can fly even better when you finally do find some smooth wind. Always look for the bright side...    ;D

Sure!  ;D

If it makes you feel any better here in Central Florida its not uncommon to have wind speeds and directions change multiple times within minutes.  Learning to Fade in my area can become a monster of frustration.  The winds will literally not cooperate at all.  Only when I give to the hour+ drives to either coasts do I get to enjoy the true pleasures of more steady winds and easier tricking!  I feel your pain sir...