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Title: 540 lazy (so, 1.5 rotations)
Post by: tpatter on September 05, 2013, 11:25 AM
Folks,

Typically you do this one while doing a JL to add a little spice, most often ending in a fade.


My son does it with a sharp enough input for the lazy to go around 1.5 times by itself, so with a single input.  It looks very natural this way - spin starts fast and slows ending in the kite in the fade position when pulled over.

For some reason, I seem to prefer to do a regular single lazy input and then giving it a slight pop after the first rotation order to get it 1/2 time around again.

So, what do you think?  It works both ways, but I am wondering how most folks do it.

Eli tells me that once I get used to doing one pop, why waste time with 2 pops.   I agree somewhat, but I do like the constant speed rotation that you can get with 2 pops.

Also, I some day have dreams of being able to do the mult lazy the way that Mayet does where he does 2 inputs for a single rotation which seems related to this technique, so I am thinking that by doing it with 2 for 1.5 rotations that I am  working on the 2 for 1 rotation eventually.

Thanks,
-Tom


Title: Re: 540 lazy (so, 1.5 rotations)
Post by: Krijn on September 05, 2013, 12:02 PM
I use Eli's technique.

I could do the Twopop-Multilazy, but I think it is really kite-depended. I did it on my Sin. No kites in my bag anymore with a slow Lazy, maybe Bill. Yes, I'll try next time.


Title: Re: Re: 540 lazy (so, 1.5 rotations)
Post by: obijuankenobe on September 05, 2013, 12:36 PM
Two handed multilazies are very kite dependent in my experience as well.

It is more of a maintanence of tension almost...the off hand input is just a touch.

However, I can only now and again on my XTs achieve anything remotely feeling two handed.

So what do I know. I still don't do it naturally by default.

The latest Atelier video has another pilot besides Mat doing them amidst beautiful reverses/cyniques. Maybe in their genes?

obi


Title: Re: 540 lazy (so, 1.5 rotations)
Post by: fidelio on September 05, 2013, 07:18 PM
For this move i like to add all the energy right up front and let the kite spin it off, so with me, one pull.


Title: Re: 540 lazy (so, 1.5 rotations)
Post by: rudyy on September 06, 2013, 09:13 AM
I like the traditional JL i.e. one pop for half lazy rotation and then back to fade.  I recently also do the exact JL variation, but instead of giving one pop, I give two pops to get 1.5 turns.  It is actually a ML manauevers incorporated into JL.

Rudy


Title: Re: 540 lazy (so, 1.5 rotations)
Post by: Kareloh on September 08, 2013, 01:49 AM
Very nice move indeed the overrotated lazy to fade. I also like the double inverse. That's almost 720 degrees with one input. My Essence STD and also the Elysium STD is able to do 'm.

I sometimes get the feeling of the two handed ML. The Sixth Sense likes to be guided trough ML's and that's basically what it's about. Guiding the ML with the other hand until it rotates around the center axis instead of one wing.

I guess the best way to learn this is to fly a Masque for a while. Almost impossible to ML the masque with one hand.


Title: Re: 540 lazy (so, 1.5 rotations)
Post by: tpatter on September 10, 2013, 10:48 PM
Thanks all!

I still can't get my mind around that Mayet 2-input move.  I try to do what he's doing, but my timing is just all bad on it so far. 



Title: Re: 540 lazy (so, 1.5 rotations)
Post by: Krijn on September 11, 2013, 12:00 AM
http://www.r-sky.com/fr/cerf-volant/nirvana-se/videos/ (http://www.r-sky.com/fr/cerf-volant/nirvana-se/videos/)

some slow two-handed multi's in this video



by the way, when i do 1.5 backspin (as part of a jacobsladder or something like that) i do use 2 inputs


Title: Re: 540 lazy (so, 1.5 rotations)
Post by: stucm89 on September 11, 2013, 02:40 PM
I do this move all the time and think it's great. Usually I throw the kite hard on it's back, nose deep. Then I give a hard single pull for multiple rotations of the lazy susan. When it slows down I either just let it fall out, or pull back into a fade. My favorite is two backspins after pulling into a fade. It helps to be used to kites that don't naturally sit deep in the turtle, so you are used to slamming them in there. I do this a lot on my organic kite video on my youtube channel. at .40 is back into a fade with a backspin, 1:58 is just letting the rotations slow and pull out on its own. After that is more of the same. Lots of fun when you get a kite that can give you lots of spins. For sure cannot do the two handed lazy susan, that's going to be a hard one to learn.
Stuart
www.youtube.com/stucm89 (http://www.youtube.com/stucm89)