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Title: Level One Eternity
Post by: JimB on June 20, 2009, 11:51 PM
Anyone have any info on this one?

(http://new.levelonekites.com/images/stories/Kites/et_ltd_bw.jpg)


(http://new.levelonekites.com/images/stories/Kites/et_kollage.jpg)


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: MtnFlyer on June 21, 2009, 02:59 AM
I was intrigued by the dual stitch lines, and some of the detail and wording on the kite and bag. So, what else is there to do at 3:30. You may already have seen this, but maybe this bad translation will help a bit, Jim...


"Under the leadership of Jens Lück ETERNITY was developed, which is in the range of LEVEL ONE will perpetuate. Jens Lück that a former pilot STACK competition is most likely to be known. It He is also an absolute kite enthusiast and avid collector of kultträchtigen and renowned Lenkdrachen.

Building on this experience that Jens has made a new kite to develop a variety of positive characteristics of these collectibles in together. It is therefore not surprising that a general of Eternity precision solid basis to submit the day without the potential to stunt negligible.

The refinement and the final details were developed by me to the typical ETERNITY LEVEL ONE-Level to bring. It is obviously that the ETERNITY (like all other dragons LEVEL ONE) produced in Europe and both the Bestabung as well as the balance of each assembly ETERNITY by me personally to take effect.

The ETERNITY has long been a dragon back home from the LEVEL ONE clearly has increased in size. With its 2.30 m span, he and his flight to the tricks in slow and elegant scene, without really difficult to handle to be. The easy handling is confirmed by the roll bars supported what the competition-based pilots, as well as the trick-based leisure and pleasure fliers opposite will happen. An At this point I would like to thank Andy Wardley, with the use of roll bars on its ETERNITY agrees.

The traceability of the tricks and have already called precision flight revealed overall a very elegant flight image. Whoever wants to can ETERNITY course through the air and twirl it by a trick in the next spin -- but this is the balance of the ETERNITY not live forever, and the seeming elegance is lost.

You see, the eternal ETERNITY is fun to hang gliding.

Fall not from faith - GOD IS A KITEFLYER ... because we are sure!

ETERNITY The series will air in your properties such as the limited ETERNITY, though in a different, new design. The limited series in white / red is definitely limited to 30 pieces limited."


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: JimB on June 21, 2009, 07:42 AM
Thanks for taking the time Bob.

I'm curious as to what anyone who may have flown one thinks.


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: chilese on June 21, 2009, 09:57 AM
I think you should buy one and write a review.

I'll chip in $10 in Kitebucks toward the purchase.  :)


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: Brian O on June 21, 2009, 10:54 AM
It's a Level One.  ;D  What more do you need to know?  ;)


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: Gardner on June 21, 2009, 01:11 PM
Since only 30 of these kites will be produced,  this presumably will be a high-$ investment.  The photos look real good, showing attention to detail and a quality build.  However, only examination of a real kite will confirm this.

From the photos, the colors as attractive and the panel layout is well-done.

Maybe I'm becoming cynical in my old age, but I'd have to get my hands on a kite like this before changing my doillars into euros to make a purchase.


kGardner


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: fidelio on June 21, 2009, 05:24 PM
look chilese, rollbars.  :P

actually, the week you were missing from the friday fly john there was a local flyer who showed up named keith who said he'd been at kite party, and who had brought a level one kite he got in the auction which he didn't know anything about. i never actually saw the kite but someone at the field told him what it was. i'm wondering might it have been one of these?


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: JimB on June 21, 2009, 05:31 PM
Roughly 300.00 US.

Not too bad considering.



Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: chilese on June 22, 2009, 11:24 AM
fidelio,
The kite was a L1 Genesis Evo IIRC.

Roll bars are the training wheels of kites.
Keel weights are the weebleness of kites.
Although I do like standoffs.  ::)


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: fidelio on June 22, 2009, 02:49 PM
well so here's a question.

does anyone here have a kite with red leading edges like this one has?


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: chilese on June 22, 2009, 03:04 PM
I'm sure we have several red leading edged kites out there. Several people made kites of this type.

Paul Shirey of AeroStar kites has made kites with red leading edges.
Here's a blue leading edge held by the Hills.
(http://inlinethumb50.webshots.com/44849/1274898614049870108S200x200Q85.jpg) (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/1274898614049870108EDaZOi)

Gary Dromgold made kites with colored leading edges.
(http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/41870/1117756567049870108S200x200Q85.jpg) (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/1117756567049870108cnyOfT)

Peter Betancourt (PBSK) made kites with colored leading edges.
(http://inlinethumb02.webshots.com/42305/2392568330049870108S200x200Q85.jpg) (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2392568330049870108wZQDUx)

I'm sure there have been others.  :)


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: sbrown on June 22, 2009, 04:06 PM
My '02 AeroStar Spica Pro has red leading edges:
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/kite%20pics/th_spica-pro-1.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/kite%20pics/spica-pro-1.jpg)
^Clickable thumbnail


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: chilese on June 22, 2009, 05:16 PM
Paul makes kites of impeccable quality. I even like the panel layout on that color scheme Mr. Brown. You must have impeccable taste.  :)


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: fidelio on June 22, 2009, 05:17 PM
nice, i knew i couldn't stump you guys.  :)


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: quantumpro on August 22, 2009, 05:40 AM
Well, I bought one [ one of the 30 ] , review coming soon. Cheers Keith, Brisbane, Australia


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: Francois on August 23, 2009, 03:41 AM
I'm sure we have several red leading edged kites out there. Several people made kites of this type.

Paul Shirey of AeroStar kites has made kites with red leading edges.
Here's a blue leading edge held by the Hills.
([url]http://inlinethumb50.webshots.com/44849/1274898614049870108S200x200Q85.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://sports.webshots.com/photo/1274898614049870108EDaZOi[/url])

Gary Dromgold made kites with colored leading edges.
([url]http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/41870/1117756567049870108S200x200Q85.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://sports.webshots.com/photo/1117756567049870108cnyOfT[/url])

Peter Betancourt (PBSK) made kites with colored leading edges.
([url]http://inlinethumb02.webshots.com/42305/2392568330049870108S200x200Q85.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2392568330049870108wZQDUx[/url])

I'm sure there have been others.  :)



Yep! Dream Weaver also made some. BTW anybody ever heard abour wayne?


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: quantumpro on September 16, 2009, 04:06 AM
Hi everyone, cheers!!

Well I have flown the eternity for nearly an hour and well it may look a little strange on your lines and feel different to any other kite you have ever flown, but wow it's a kite to remember. Each kite has it's personality and well I will compare this kite this way:- prism quantum pro meets flying wings soul. Sorry to be a little short, photo's and full review soon. Cheers, Keith, brisbane , Australia


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: onlye on September 16, 2009, 05:52 PM
Well, I bought one [ one of the 30 ] , review coming soon. Cheers Keith, Brisbane, Australia

is it truly bad to envy?


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: browndude3649 on September 16, 2009, 06:59 PM
Hey quantumpro-- Throw up some pics once you get it will ya?
Thanks


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: dragonfly on September 26, 2009, 07:52 AM
(http://kites-ireland.com/kite_store/images/uploads/eternity_hay2.jpg)

The >standard edition (http://new.levelonekites.com/content/view/115/155/) is now available and there's an ultra light version (UL) being tested at present and apparently a vented version in the pipeline.

(http://kites-ireland.com/kite_store/images/uploads/eternity_std3.jpg)

In comparison to the -now sold out- limited first edition, the standard version has been extensively optimised and modified according to the feedback from experienced pilots: The Eternity standard sports a new SkyShark frame mix, an improved bridle geometry and a more favourable positioning of the connectors. [source: LevelOne]






Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: quantumpro on September 28, 2009, 02:10 AM
Hey G'day to everyone,
Sorry I have been work 7 days a week since I bought the kite. Here are a couple of images, review is coming. This kite is something special so don't get worry about price - you get the bang for the buck!! Cheers Keith, Brisbane, Australia

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Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: quantumpro on September 28, 2009, 02:31 AM
More Photo's, still new to forum so hope the images work. Cheers Keith

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Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: Adicakes on September 28, 2009, 03:19 AM
Thumbs up to that. :)


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: JimB on September 28, 2009, 11:19 AM
Thanks for the (further) info guys.  ;)


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: Michel on September 30, 2009, 04:12 AM
Quote from: chilese
Peter Betancourt (PBSK) made kites with colored leading edges.

[...] I'm sure there have been others.  :)

Some Prism Radian and Long Duong's kites too.  ;)


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: dragonfly on October 12, 2009, 07:59 AM
Eternity (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYAfX1aaQEo#ws-normal)


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: JimB on October 12, 2009, 09:40 AM
Great location!

And thanks for the vid!



Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: quantumpro on October 23, 2009, 03:19 AM
Well I have now flown the eternity for nearly 3 hrs and well It has it's own personality. Larger wing than the genesis and greater pull in higher winds - more like the quantumpro ie prism. Very stable throughout all tricks but needs larger inputs to perform most high end tricks with ease. Flick flacs are very stable even if you roll up to yo yo. Compared to flying wings soul it has a ease with floating tricks because of larger wing size. Quality of build in my opinion is average, you get a better build quality out of flying wings on there high end soul kites. I have over 15 kites and well at the moment I fly the soul and the eternity and it,s hard to compare. Both sable flyers and yes I have a quantumpro and a genesis evo and many others, It's hard to compare which is the best. Eternity is an amazing kite, slower but more precision than the genesis evo in my opinion, every trick is achievable and for the high end of the sport a must have, just a brilliant well balanced kite if you like larger wing kites if not get a  flying wings soul ul, std and vented, just good fun. More to come soon, Cheers Keith, Brisbane, Australia 


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: Beachbum on October 23, 2009, 11:31 AM
There's a standard edition coming to the states in a week.

 ;D


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: ET on October 23, 2009, 12:44 PM
Level One quality build average? Over a Soul?  Oh please...


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: Beachbum on October 23, 2009, 01:15 PM
Level One quality build average? Over a Soul?  Oh please...

I was wondering about that too.  L1 is well known for bulletproof kites, my second JJF was well used by some good fliers and it still held up.

Can you give examples quantumpro? 


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: dragonfly on October 24, 2009, 08:25 AM
There's a standard edition coming to the states in a week.

 ;D

Just hope it won't take an eternity. ::)


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: Beachbum on October 24, 2009, 12:14 PM
Just hope it won't take an eternity. ::)

Well it's feeling like one.


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: quantumpro on October 26, 2009, 02:40 AM
All the spreader connection points on the leading edge had threads exposed and sail had additional problems with bad sewing. Sorry but I have 1 Ul, 2std, 1 Vtd flying wings souls and in my opinion the sewing on those kites is far better and for double the price sorry better value for money. We are talking about mass produced items no disrepect to any company but the eternity is a wonderful kite but value for money !! well ????????????? Cheers keith


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: dragonfly on October 26, 2009, 12:44 PM
Frayed threads at the cut-outs are nothing serious for performance of any kite.

The known problem with the Eternity's sewing is using WHITE thread on red fabric, which can be seen very clearly.
Most other kites would use BLACK thread on black leading and trailing edge fabric, on which you would need a magnifying glass to examine sewing properly ...


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: quantumpro on November 06, 2009, 12:15 AM
The Eternity is suppose to be the flagship of level one kites- top of the line. This kites performance is brilliant but sorry it's quality of construction in my opinion is only average given you could buy a kite half the price and have the same performance and better build quality.

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Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: quantumpro on November 06, 2009, 12:26 AM
Another example where the finish of the product could have been better, the sail isn't finished to have clean sharp edges and symmetry. I counted 3 addition threads around 3/4 inch long on the kite which hadn't been cleaned up after sewing. Don't think that I don't like the kite but If we all pay good money for our high performance kites than we do expect the quality to be there. Cheers to everyone

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Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: Blownfuse on November 06, 2009, 03:14 AM
That is not so very impressive, I must say. In my opinion, for the money the Eternity costs, what quantumpro´s pics show is´nt good enough. Especially the mis-aligned panels... Or maybe they are not mis-aligned, in that case it´s just a strange design decision. :D

And don´t get me wrong, I actually think that it is a very pretty kite. But for a premium price, I would expect premium craftmanship. I´m a bit weird that way....  ::)


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: thief on November 06, 2009, 04:35 AM
We are talking about mass produced items no disrepect to any company but the eternity is a wonderful kite but value for money !!
umm..no disrespect to any company? have you contacted them about this? have you contacted where you got the kite from?
personally i would do those two things before coming and "not disrespecting" the company on a kite forum....

having worked in retail for many years (kites and other retail) i am always amazed at how quickly people have complaints about products but then do not call the makers......

if your brandy new car had an issue would you just go out and complain about it? or would you call teh dealer and bring the car back in?

i know it took awhile for you to get it so i would shoot an email to Level One about it and cc the shop you bought it from explaining your dissatisfaction.....Jens was always great when my shop was open....i cannot imagine that he has turned into a devilish kite maker now....

good winds
rob


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: DWayne on November 06, 2009, 05:16 AM
Much better to post the pictures of Level One's SHABBY build quality for all the world to see. Having seen pictures of another member's new Eternity it seems this low level of build quality is the norm from Level One now.
If people get a chance to see this maybe they won't waste their money. And maybe that will be a wake up call Level One will hear.
Face it, if Level One doesn't already know what junk is coming out of their factories they obviously don't care and calling or writing won't help.

Denny


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: Blownfuse on November 06, 2009, 09:08 AM
Quote
have you contacted them about this? have you contacted where you got the kite from?
personally i would do those two things before coming and "not disrespecting" the company on a kite forum....

This I have to agree upon. Always going to the source first, is the best approach for sure. If they don´t answer mails/calls or choose to ignore questions/complaints...

Then it´s a whole other ballgame... >:(


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: DWayne on November 06, 2009, 09:30 AM
If you look at the first picture Jim posted you'll see the panel misalignment is SOP. All in all it looks like a $150 sweatshop kite to me.


Denny


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: thief on November 06, 2009, 09:50 AM
If you look at the first picture Jim posted you'll see the panel misalignment is SOP. All in all it looks like a $150 sweatshop kite to me.


Denny

not certain if that is a misaligned panel...could just be a bad trim job...would need to see all of the panels to be certain....
the leading edge fraying......that is weird....

Is Level One still making these kites in house? i thought i had heard at one point that there was a rumor about them being made in a Polish HQ kite building house.....

I am still chuckling at the 150$ sweatshop kite remark!!!! that is great!!!! personally i would have gone with a lwer $ amount for that term though!!!!


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: Beachbum on November 06, 2009, 03:11 PM
Much better to post the pictures of Level One's SHABBY build quality for all the world to see. Having seen pictures of another member's new Eternity it seems this low level of build quality is the norm from Level One now.
If people get a chance to see this maybe they won't waste their money. And maybe that will be a wake up call Level One will hear.
Face it, if Level One doesn't already know what junk is coming out of their factories they obviously don't care and calling or writing won't help.

Denny

Post 'em boss. 


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: DWayne on November 06, 2009, 04:08 PM
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii151/KenikeNui/BrittsLevelOne005.jpg)

As you wish.  ;)

Denny


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: anOldMan on November 06, 2009, 04:29 PM
In the automobile industry there is the reality of the production line lemon. "Usually on Monday or Friday"

Well it seems to have hit the production line kite industry. Go boutique or except the production line blues.


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: dragonfly on November 09, 2009, 08:15 AM
Had a chat ... about lemons ;)

According to Jens Frank [LevelOne] his manufacturer in Poland has been instructed to use 1/2 inch excess material all-round when cutting panels,
because some seams are double stitched as you can see in the picture of my Excalibur below.
Hence the problem with the spine seam.
HTH.

(http://kites-ireland.com/image_library/jjflash/jjf_stitching.jpg)


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: thief on November 09, 2009, 08:16 AM
eh...too bad Quantumpro is no longer with us he might like to see that.......
Did you happen to ask Jens about he fraying LE pockets?

r


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: DWayne on November 09, 2009, 08:21 AM
So in the end this is a $150 kite with a $350 price tag.  :-[


Denny


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: dragonfly on November 09, 2009, 09:04 AM
So in the end this is a $150 kite with a $350 price tag.  :-[


Denny

Let's say $250  ;D


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: jaydub on November 09, 2009, 09:40 AM
Jurgen's much closer to what's going on with Level One, but it seems to me that it's never been quite the same company since the two brothers split.  The supply of Level One's into the UK hascertainly dried up since. :(


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: dragonfly on November 11, 2009, 01:47 PM
Cheers Jay.

There's also one another important aspect to it:- I do remember paying almost double price for SkyShark carbon tubes  :(
my side of the Atlantic a couple of years back.

E.g. a Genesis for 200 euro, used to retail at St£135 or US$210, now that has significantly changed. Because the Euro is quite strong, two hundred euro would get you now a Talon, DS or a Vendetta !!! Visa versa you guys have to dish out a lot for a Level One non-boutique kite.

Steering back on topic; apparently the Eternity is selling like hot cakes in France -???- Probably due to the motto of the French revolution:-
Liberty, Equality, Fraternity and Eternity ...  :D


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: Beachbum on November 11, 2009, 01:49 PM
I'm still waiting for the winds to cooperate.  :'(



Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: dragonfly on February 01, 2010, 01:25 PM
> Here (http://www.adverkiting.de/images/pdf/Eternity_K&F.pdf) a review in the german kite magazine kite & friends.


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: JimB on February 01, 2010, 04:56 PM
I noticed a while back that it was doing well in France.

Thanks for the link to the review.


Title: Re: Level One Eternity
Post by: dragonfly on February 27, 2010, 11:56 AM
Eternity Limited Edition by Level One (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cTYd3s2X4A#normal)