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Title: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: DMF on December 30, 2013, 04:02 PM
Well I finally got aroung to starting the B'zar 2011 STD.  I just moved my kite building area into the unfinished part of my basement.  The most versatile tool I have turned out to be two 3/4 MDF which were 4'X8' sheets each cut into two 2' X 6" and one 2'X4' board giving a total of 4 sheets 2' X 6' and two 2'X4'.  I have been able to configure those boards numerous ways to help with various kites I have built

I placed them on my pool table to lay out and cut 4X6 roks

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Rok%20Build/IMG_5866.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Rok%20Build/IMG_5866.jpg.html)


I've cut and layed out large panels for a 2.5M FF04a

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/FF04a/IMG_6070.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/FF04a/IMG_6070.jpg.html)


Now I've moved them to have a cut out table.  The 6' length nicely accommodates fabric rolls.  I placed this on top of a workbench

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1455.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1455.jpg.html)

I've placed two 2X6' side by side to use as a layout table and sewing table

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1454.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1454.jpg.html)

And I've placed a 2X4' board to use as a spar/ bridle area

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1456.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1456.jpg.html)



Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: DMF on December 30, 2013, 04:13 PM
To date I have cut out all the panels and glued up the right one. 

Here is the flat layout

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1453.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1453.jpg.html)

Here is how I dealt with the offset panels used to create the billowing of the sail.

I placed a sheet of metal underneath the layout. 

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1457.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1457.jpg.html)

I then used magnets to hold the panel with the extra material in place

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1458.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1458.jpg.html)

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1459.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1459.jpg.html)

After I glued the panel in place I then taped the seam to hold it while I sew. 

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1460.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1460.jpg.html)


I will hopefully start sewing the panel tomorrow.


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: sugarbaker on December 30, 2013, 07:32 PM
looking good.  I like your 'magnet method' for controlling the fabric during your glue up stage.  Looking forward to your future updates.


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: stapp59 on December 31, 2013, 09:39 AM
Always good to see others projects and techniques.  The magnets are a novel idea to hold down the panels while joining the sail together.  I've used heavy steel weights and painters tape.  Ken McNeill uses a sticky mat. Paul Shirey used a light spray of contact glue on his work surface.

Keep the progress reports coming! 

I really like your GD Rok btw.  Did you create templates or enlarge the paper copy and cut with scissors or ??


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: DMF on December 31, 2013, 11:44 AM


I really like your GD Rok btw.  Did you create templates or enlarge the paper copy and cut with scissors or ??


thanks, the colour combo of the logo are great!  I used a projector and sandwiched all the colours together. Might not have been the most efficient use of ripstop but it worked out in the end.

Check out this link to see how I built it 

http://www.kitebuilder.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8927&highlight=steal+face (http://www.kitebuilder.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8927&highlight=steal+face)


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: DMF on December 31, 2013, 12:06 PM
One side is now sewn.  Here's what I do prior to sewing. 

First I change out to a new needle, I got that idea from one of Sugarbakers builds. 

I then reset the tension using some scraps of Icarex.  Nothing fancy but I'll run through what I do.

In the picture below you can see how I do this.  I simple run a triple stitch up the icarex with the correct number of layers.  As the stitch runs I stop and change the tension setting and number the area according to the tension setting.

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1465.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1465.jpg.html)

I then look on both side to see what tension works the best.  I am looking to see that the loops between the stitches are buried. 

This is how it should look

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1466.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1466.jpg.html)

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1467.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1467.jpg.html)

Notice how the front and back look similar. 

In number 1 it is clear that the tension setting is too low because the loops are pulled through the back.

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1468.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1468.jpg.html)


something else that I have got in the habit of doing Is leaving notes to myself!  Since  I tend to have frequent interruptions I will make notes so I don't forget certain steps.

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1461.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1461.jpg.html)

I put them right on the kite with painters tape so I can't miss it. 


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: DMF on December 31, 2013, 12:07 PM
Here's the right wing

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1463.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1463.jpg.html)


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: Stuart99 on December 31, 2013, 05:09 PM
Looking good!

I have always wanted to build this one, but something else always stole my attention away from it. Let us know how it flies when you are finished.


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: DMF on January 01, 2014, 12:05 PM
2 sides done and joined.  Now planning on how to reinforce the nose and spine.

 
(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/IMG_1469.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/IMG_1469.jpg.html)


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: stapp59 on January 01, 2014, 12:33 PM
The colors work well together.


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: tpatter on January 01, 2014, 02:50 PM
I really like how this one looks. 

It looks like the newer R-Sky kites which is great.


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: DMF on January 01, 2014, 03:45 PM
I really like how this one looks. 

It looks like the newer R-Sky kites which is great.


I must admit I did comb through the r sky website looking for colour ideas.  I also drove my wife and kids crazy with different combos. 


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: DMF on January 02, 2014, 06:37 AM
I need a little help with the center T location. The plan say that it is located 550 mm from nose but the markings on the full size are closer to 570 mm  also the distance between the upper and lower spreader on the full size plans are different from the measurements on the frame details picture. Any suggestions, thoughts?


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: sugarbaker on January 02, 2014, 06:52 PM
It's been a while since I built my B'zar (actually thinking I'll build a second one though).  Regarding the Center T.  When I built mine, I recall making the mark on the plan the location of the Center T.  The difference you are finding in dimensions could be related to the reference point and the point in the build in which you make the measurement. 

In the end, about 1cm of the sail is trimmed off the nose (prior to finishing re-enforcements).
Then, the nose pocket is stitched about a centimeter lower than the end of the sail (if you are referencing the build I documented a few years ago, I did not follow the plan exactly, so keep that in mind.)

With those two differences, I would make the assumption that the 550mm indicated in the framing plan indicate the distance from the Center T to the end of the spine (the actual spar).  Regardless of this, I would not cut the hole for the Center T until you are further in the build and you can test this theory by fitting the spine and measuring.  Then you can compare measurement to the marked plan location.

Anyway, you're making excellent process.  I'm looking forward to seeing the finished product.


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: Ara Ararauna on January 03, 2014, 03:56 AM
2 sides done and joined.  Now planning on how to reinforce the nose and spine.

 
([url]http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/IMG_1469.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/IMG_1469.jpg.html[/url])


VERY pretty!
I like the R-Sky style that you have incorporated in your layout. The panels of the B'zar lend themselves to doing this, but not all kites allow it.
I tried this strategy when messing with the colours for my LeQuartz and for my upcoming Sixth Sense and couldn't get the right R-Sky feeling. So I opted for different styles altogether.
But you managed very well.
I will be looking forward to the finished kite!
Congratulations.


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: DMF on January 03, 2014, 11:57 AM

In the end, about 1cm of the sail is trimmed off the nose (prior to finishing re-enforcements).
Then, the nose pocket is stitched about a centimeter lower than the end of the sail (if you are referencing the build I documented a few years ago, I did not follow the plan exactly, so keep that in mind.)

With those two differences, I would make the assumption that the 550mm indicated in the framing plan indicate the distance from the Center T to the end of the spine (the actual spar).  Regardless of this, I would not cut the hole for the Center T until you are further in the build and you can test this theory by fitting the spine and measuring.  Then you can compare measurement to the marked plan location.

Anyway, you're making excellent process.  I'm looking forward to seeing the finished product.

Thanks for the response.  I think your right on this one.  I'm going to test fit first and then cut.



Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: Ca Ike on January 04, 2014, 12:40 PM
I need a little help with the center T location. The plan say that it is located 550 mm from nose but the markings on the full size are closer to 570 mm  also the distance between the upper and lower spreader on the full size plans are different from the measurements on the frame details picture. Any suggestions, thoughts?
What I found best with mine is to measure the leading edge fittings from the center of the spine at the top of the rod (not the top of the nose) and the center T from the top of the spine rod to the top of the fitting(Locations are for stops and not the fitting itself).  Steve opted to cut off the 1 CM of nose that the plans say to sew which changes how the nose fits and shapes which also changes the frame measurements some(roughly 1/4 inch on the LE fittings).  If  you are sticking to the plans and not following Steves nose deviation then use my method of measuring.  If Steve measures using my method and then compares stop locations with LE rods out of the kite, his stops will be about 1/4 inch higher than mine due to the fact that his nose deviation drops the LE rods lower than how Werner planned it.  How Steve's change compares to the plan in flight we won't know unless we can fly side by side.

Also note that if you don't tie the bridle like Steves example with the knots centered over the fittings, and instead opt to tie it above the upper fitting and below the lower fitting stop like most kites then  you will need to add 1.6 cm to the length of the activator.  I missed this in my build and it really affected flight poorly.


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: sugarbaker on January 04, 2014, 05:31 PM
I think in my next build of the b'zar, I'll be building the nose as the plan shows... Then I can compare how they fly. 


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: DMF on January 05, 2014, 04:45 AM
This might be a dumb question but, should I cut off the point between the mylar spine reinforcement at the nose then measure down from the new flat part of the nose?   


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: DMF on January 05, 2014, 04:46 AM
I need a little help with the center T location. The plan say that it is located 550 mm from nose but the markings on the full size are closer to 570 mm  also the distance between the upper and lower spreader on the full size plans are different from the measurements on the frame details picture. Any suggestions, thoughts?
What I found best with mine is to measure the leading edge fittings from the center of the spine at the top of the rod (not the top of the nose) and the center T from the top of the spine rod to the top of the fitting(Locations are for stops and not the fitting itself).  Steve opted to cut off the 1 CM of nose that the plans say to sew which changes how the nose fits and shapes which also changes the frame measurements some(roughly 1/4 inch on the LE fittings).  If  you are sticking to the plans and not following Steves nose deviation then use my method of measuring.  If Steve measures using my method and then compares stop locations with LE rods out of the kite, his stops will be about 1/4 inch higher than mine due to the fact that his nose deviation drops the LE rods lower than how Werner planned it.  How Steve's change compares to the plan in flight we won't know unless we can fly side by side.

Also note that if you don't tie the bridle like Steves example with the knots centered over the fittings, and instead opt to tie it above the upper fitting and below the lower fitting stop like most kites then  you will need to add 1.6 cm to the length of the activator.  I missed this in my build and it really affected flight poorly.

thats very helpful thanks!


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: DMF on January 07, 2014, 04:02 PM
now for the trailing edge.  I bind this part with ripstop.  I cut a strip which is 1.5".  The main point here is a cut on the bias.  That is I cut diagonally across the fabric.  Notice the directions of the diamonds/ squares in this pic.

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1488.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1488.jpg.html)

I then do a double fold.  Folded in the centre then on each side.  It is more work but should fray less with time and gives a clean finish. 

I hate sewing over tape because of the buildup of glue on the needle.  So I tack the binding down with a straight stitch  on the bottom and only through the sail and bottom piece of ripstop.  I then finish it off with a straight stitch through all layers.  Below you can see two row of stitching on the back (top piece) and just one on the front (bottom).

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1474.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1474.jpg.html)

I start at the wingtip and go to the centre of the right wing, then cut it flush. 

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1471.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1471.jpg.html)

I then mark the mitred corner (the Mark is big so it would show up on camera), cut and start the second wing. 

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1477.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1477.jpg.html)

mitred corner


(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1478.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1478.jpg.html)


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: DMF on January 07, 2014, 04:14 PM
I'm going to preface this next post by saying that I do like to try new ways of doing things.  I post them not because they are necessarily the best way to do things, but to simply give a different approach which might spark some other ideas in other individuals.

This one I did really like...

I typically use the over the corner method for folding fabric.  One problem I've run into is your fold may start to go off centre. 

Here's the new tool I used.

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1482.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1482.jpg.html)

It's a thumb pick.

I would line up the edges with my left hand

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1484.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1484.jpg.html)

Then drag the pic down with my right hand

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1486.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1486.jpg.html)

I couldn't keep both hands on when I took the pics.  With this method I had good control over the fold because I could hold the position with my left and drag with my right hand.  I could then reposition with both hands and keep moving.



Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: sugarbaker on January 07, 2014, 04:48 PM
Thats a great method for the trailing edge (and leading edge too I suspect).  Thats what I love about this forum... new ideas all the time! I would love to integrate your method in my next build.  Thanks for sharing (and good idea with the thumb pick as well)


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: Ca Ike on January 08, 2014, 10:58 AM
Nice idea on the pick. I do a similar method using a thimble or a piece of 1" pvc pipe.  I also have a Sealing iron I use for doing monokote on my airplanes that I use on a low heat setting for creasing the heavier LE fabric.


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: DMF on January 11, 2014, 02:28 PM
Here's how I finished the leech line and tail

first I use an upholstery needle and thread the line down the trailing edge

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1496.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1496.jpg.html)

I then poke the needle through the mylar and trailing edge binding out the back about 5 mm above the tail

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1491.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1491.jpg.html)

I then repeat this process on the other side

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1495.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1495.jpg.html)

this brings my leech line out the back and is not visible from the front


(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1492.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1492.jpg.html)

I then burn a hole through the tail strap and pull the lines through

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1498.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1498.jpg.html)

front view

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/IMG_1501.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/IMG_1501.jpg.html)


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: sugarbaker on January 11, 2014, 06:18 PM
You continue to impress.  Very nice!  I'm looking forward to how you will stitch the nose on your B'zar, I've found that stitching the nose (in the past) was a source of frustration for me... and I've learned some valuable lessons to get the results I do today.  I'm always on the look out for new tricks/techniques though.  Keep up the great work.


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: DMF on January 15, 2014, 08:57 AM
Kites finished!

Here are some pics

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1586.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1586.jpg.html)

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1591.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1591.jpg.html)

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1593.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1593.jpg.html)

I had it out for a couple of hours this morning in light wind. I'm in Halifax Nova Scotia which should be cold in jan but it was sunny and 12 deg C!

I am happy with how it flies and looks in the sky.  I am still very very early in the learning process on dual line flying.  It's very interesting to compare the flight to the 6th sense. 

One interesting thing that I noted with this kite is when attempting half axles if I just pop the upper wing and give slack the kite does a backflip and sticks in that position.  It seemed to want to stay in a turtle position all day.  Not sure what that means, if anything.   Fades also seem to hold better, but like I said I'm still very new to flying so very inconsistent with my tricks.


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: DMF on January 15, 2014, 09:01 AM
Heres the bag I made for these kites.  It has both the 6th sense and the Bzar in it.  I followed the tutorial found here http://www.kitebuilder.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9310 (http://www.kitebuilder.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9310)

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1588.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1588.jpg.html)

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1590.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1590.jpg.html)


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: Ca Ike on January 15, 2014, 11:34 AM
Kites finished!

Here are some pics

([url]http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1586.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1586.jpg.html[/url])

([url]http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1591.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1591.jpg.html[/url])

([url]http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Bzar%202011/IMG_1593.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Bzar%202011/IMG_1593.jpg.html[/url])

I had it out for a couple of hours this morning in light wind. I'm in Halifax Nova Scotia which should be cold in jan but it was sunny and 12 deg C!

I am happy with how it flies and looks in the sky.  I am still very very early in the learning process on dual line flying.  It's very interesting to compare the flight to the 6th sense. 

One interesting thing that I noted with this kite is when attempting half axles if I just pop the upper wing and give slack the kite does a backflip and sticks in that position.  It seemed to want to stay in a turtle position all day.  Not sure what that means, if anything.   Fades also seem to hold better, but like I said I'm still very new to flying so very inconsistent with my tricks.

Looks great.  As for your flight behavior, I have the same tendencies in my B'zar so its definitely the kite.  I'm going back over frame and bridle on mine again to see if I have something off before I chalk it up to a designed in trait.  I'm fanatical for making sure I got it built right per the plans before I tinker.  Did you use my way of measuring the frame locations?


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: KaoS on January 15, 2014, 04:39 PM
I'm always on the look out for new tricks/techniques though.

Looking good, DMF!!

New techniques?  I'm always intrigued that some people sew the trailing edge and then thread the leech line in.  I feed the leech line in as I'm sewing.


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: sugarbaker on January 15, 2014, 05:12 PM
Well done, excellent final product.  And thanks for the link to the bag tutorial, I've been looking for a good simple plan to build a bag for a while now (and I saved a lot of hardware of off a ruined tent just for such a project).


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: thief on January 15, 2014, 05:54 PM
You can also find nice fittings on old backpacks as all!


Title: Re: B'zar 2011 on the table
Post by: DMF on January 15, 2014, 06:17 PM
We seem to be good at recycling I used an old golf bag for the hardware.