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Title: Derefats' Monster
Post by: DMF on February 08, 2014, 03:36 PM
On this build I really wanted to improve on my templates.  I cut them out of cardboard and then placed them in a vice and applied aluminium tape to the edges smoothing the aluminum from the edge down. 

Here you can see the template in the vice

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Monster/IMG_1621.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Monster/IMG_1621.jpg.html)

I then cut them out with a wood burning tool.

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Monster/IMG_1623.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Monster/IMG_1623.jpg.html)

2 things were happening when using a soldering iron to cut the templates.  First I was ruining my soldering iron tip and second I didn't want to file down the tip because I use it on electric circuits so it would cut the fabric a few mm away from the template. 

I like how quick the heat comes on, on the wood burning tool.  I think it is going to work well. 

This is the end product.  I am reasonably happy with the results however still some improvements needed. 

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Monster/IMG_1622.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Monster/IMG_1622.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Monster
Post by: DMF on February 08, 2014, 03:38 PM
Before I started I actually reshaped clothing hangers to form a makeshift shelf for my P31 and mylar.

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Monster/IMG_1626.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Monster/IMG_1626.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Monster
Post by: DMF on February 08, 2014, 03:38 PM
Here is the rt side of the sail. 

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Monster/IMG_1632.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Monster/IMG_1632.jpg.html)

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Monster/IMG_1629.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Monster/IMG_1629.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: DMF on February 08, 2014, 04:05 PM
Forgot to mention the other reason I wanted to improve my templates, I plan on building a second one once this http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=9718.0 (http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=9718.0) is posted  :)


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: stapp59 on February 08, 2014, 06:56 PM
I'm interested to hear more about this kite, looks good.


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: sugarbaker on February 08, 2014, 09:32 PM
Don't hold your breath for my build thread!  It will happen eventually, but I've been slowly working on some DIY video equipment, and hoping to get it all squared away before I start the process.  Anyway, your monster looks good so far!


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: Krijn on February 10, 2014, 11:22 AM
nice monster is coming  ;D


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: DMF on February 12, 2014, 01:26 PM
Don't hold your breath for my build thread!  It will happen eventually, but I've been slowly working on some DIY video equipment, and hoping to get it all squared away before I start the process.  Anyway, your monster looks good so far!

I do look forward to seeing this whenever it comes out, It'll be worth the wait.


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: DMF on February 12, 2014, 01:36 PM
For the trailing edge I tried KaoS' approach to feed the leech line in as I sew.  What I did was burn a hole through the tail seg,  added a bit more mylar

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Monster/IMG_1634.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Monster/IMG_1634.jpg.html)

I then ran the leech line from the front out through the back. 

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Monster/IMG_1635.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Monster/IMG_1635.jpg.html)

Feeding the line as I sewed worked well and I didn't have to worry about fishing the line through the TE and into the back of the kite. 

My rational for bringing it through from front to back is so the leech line isn't pulling on the stitches when you tighten it. 


(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Monster/IMG_1636.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Monster/IMG_1636.jpg.html)

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Monster/IMG_1637.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Monster/IMG_1637.jpg.html)



Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: DMF on February 12, 2014, 01:37 PM
Here's my progress to date. 

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Monster/IMG_1638.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Monster/IMG_1638.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: sugarbaker on February 12, 2014, 05:20 PM
looks like a great technique.  Certainly the finished result is super clean.



Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: Ara Ararauna on February 13, 2014, 05:39 AM
Here's my progress to date. 

([url]http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Monster/IMG_1638.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Monster/IMG_1638.jpg.html[/url])


Oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh.....     :o   :o   :o

Really nice.  ???


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: DMF on February 26, 2014, 04:52 PM
(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Monster/IMG_1644.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Monster/IMG_1644.jpg.html)

Heres the kite waiting to be bridled.  This was initially going to be framed as a UL however after looking at the completed sail I decided to frame with

LE P200
Spine P300
LS Nitro
US 6mm

I'm going to save the UL tubes I have for a Ghost version of this kite which looks amazing!

Looking forward to getting this bridled and in the air.


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: sugarbaker on February 26, 2014, 05:25 PM
Great looking kite.  One of these days I'll get on with my own build. 

Let us know how your framing choice works for you.  I've been debating what I would use (and probably settling on standard/light... possibly tapered rods in the leading edge and 5pt lower spreaders)


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: KiteChemist on February 27, 2014, 02:19 AM
Shape quite similar to the Iridium   ::)


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: stapp59 on February 27, 2014, 03:17 AM
Sharp!  That turned out quite nicely.


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: Ara Ararauna on February 27, 2014, 08:48 AM
([url]http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/Monster/IMG_1644.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/Monster/IMG_1644.jpg.html[/url])


That looks absolutely awesome and fabulous DMF.

One day in the future I'll ask you to build one for me just like that one (if you don't mind) ;)

Enjoy it a lot and send videos. It will be great seeing it in the sky!


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: DMF on February 27, 2014, 05:44 PM
Great looking kite.  One of these days I'll get on with my own build. 

Let us know how your framing choice works for you.  I've been debating what I would use (and probably settling on standard/light... possibly tapered rods in the leading edge and 5pt lower spreaders)

5pt was my first choice for LS but unfortunately I didn't have any left so I had to use the Nitro. 


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: Ara Ararauna on February 28, 2014, 01:25 AM
Great looking kite.  One of these days I'll get on with my own build. 

Let us know how your framing choice works for you.  I've been debating what I would use (and probably settling on standard/light... possibly tapered rods in the leading edge and 5pt lower spreaders)

5pt was my first choice for LS but unfortunately I didn't have any left so I had to use the Nitro. 

Why do you regret not having had 5PT and having had to use Nitro?

My lack of knowledge would make me think that Nitro was a better option...




Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: DMF on February 28, 2014, 08:15 AM
Why do you regret not having had 5PT and having had to use Nitro?

My lack of knowledge would make me think that Nitro was a better option...




Hi Ara, thats a good question.  The main reason was that 5 pt was what derefat had listed as his framing choice. 

The second is that I don't have enough experience with the SS tubes to know how they impact flight in general. 

Any input would be appreciated. 


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: JayDee on February 28, 2014, 11:07 AM
They both weigh 15 grams.  Add another half gram for the P100 ferrule, and you are probably still almost within the tolerance of the same weight.  Nitros are substantially stiffer than 5 PT, particularly on the thicker end.  Since Nitros can be cut from either end, you can control the stiffness over the length to some extent.

Unless flex is desired, and disregarding the price difference, I'd certainly prefer clear coated Nitro for lower spreaders.  The 5 PT, when used as lower spreaders, would also have to be clear coated, IMO, to reduce bridle wear.  And that takes out most of the price difference anyway.


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: DMF on March 07, 2014, 12:33 PM
Today was the first day I had this in the air.  My initial impression is that this one definitely put a smile on my face.  Real fun to fly!  I'm going to start cutting a ghost version of this one


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: DMF on March 13, 2014, 06:29 PM
Had the day off today and the weather was terrible so I was able to work on the UL version of the monster. 

Here is the sail so far, I did put in a little colour ;). 

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/IMG_1678.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/IMG_1678.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: stapp59 on March 14, 2014, 02:18 AM
Looking good!  The silver pin stripping is a nice variation. Are you going with a 3PT frame?


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: Ca Ike on March 15, 2014, 10:17 AM
Are the plans coming out to the general public yet or are they still being held back?


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: Stuart99 on March 21, 2014, 12:11 AM
I was wondering the same.


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: stapp59 on March 21, 2014, 02:59 AM
Seems you have to send Christian an email request.

I was wondering the same.


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: DMF on March 27, 2014, 04:50 PM
Heres my ghost version.  First pic show the kite on last weekend and the other shows the Monster after a Monster Nor'easter blew through :(

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/IMG_1681.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/IMG_1681.jpg.html)


(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/one_from_the_vault/IMG_1685.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/one_from_the_vault/media/IMG_1685.jpg.html)


Final specs

Frame
p100  LE and spine
3pt LS
5mm US

weight just over 9 oz with 10 gm tail weight


Title: Re: Derefats' Monster
Post by: stapp59 on March 27, 2014, 07:23 PM
White on white looks great!   8)  Just ask Kate
http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=10923.msg96452;topicseen#msg96452 (http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=10923.msg96452;topicseen#msg96452)  :D

Does your UL roll up easily with 10gr?  I put in 15gr and have not tried less (rolls up just fine).