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Title: Kites you regret buying
Post by: kitekrazy on June 26, 2009, 09:32 PM
 Stranger Level 7 - it's cool to look at but also had some unique parts when lost you had to make your own mods. I could never find the right wind to fly it.   

 Vented Tramontana -  This is an older one. Venting was made to fit the design instead of being functional. I reframed it in G-Force Standards. It's not precise or trickable. The rods are probably worth more than the kite since none of them had to be cut.

  I might ebay these someday.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: tpatter on June 26, 2009, 10:18 PM
All of them before my current favorite!  :)

Life is too short - fly what you love to fly.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Allen Carter on June 26, 2009, 10:54 PM

 Vented Tramontana -  This is an older one. Venting was made to fit the design instead of being functional. I reframed it in G-Force Standards. It's not precise or trickable. The rods are probably worth more than the kite since none of them had to be cut.



I loved my old vented Tram! I framed it in P300s and flew it in some really nasty wind. Very precise,  but not designed to be trickable. Nice flat spins.

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_F5Tie9CF8ts/R_aH2JzSBYI/AAAAAAAABaM/qhmruJMaO88/s288/IMG_0230.JPG) (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1-cQTARGIrMDB7sQcQC5ig?feat=embedwebsite)


I've had over 100 sport kites, many of which I didn't like, but I don't regret buying 'em. They all found new homes.



Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Adicakes on June 27, 2009, 06:55 AM
I bought a Big Bang Pro, flew it three times and absolutely hated it.  Ended up selling it to someone who now seems to hate me, though strangely not because of the Big Bang.  :D


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: portley777 on June 27, 2009, 08:11 AM
 I bought one when I was fresh - it had two spare spreaders included (bad sign!); they were fibreglass.....it when down hill from there..... (POS image below)
Live and learn :)

Cheers,
Mike


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Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Bob D on June 27, 2009, 10:47 AM
I hate to say it, but...

the Prism 3D

I got a WISKF special edition but it's too small. I'll keep it because it's a pretty kite and maybe I'll fly it occasionally. It doesn't see a lot of action.



Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: zippy8 on June 27, 2009, 11:03 AM
LiteFlite Radial (http://www.kiteclique.com/?p=106). The language that I could use about this kite would get me banned from this site.

As an aside, I quite like the Big Bang Pro in moderation but I'd hate to have to always fly it.

Mike.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: RobB on June 27, 2009, 04:09 PM
I hate to say it, but...

the Prism 3D

I got a WISKF special edition but it's too small. I'll keep it because it's a pretty kite and maybe I'll fly it occasionally. It doesn't see a lot of action.


I was equally disappointed with the 3d. Maybe more so, because mine was just a standard sail design. Also, the Alien was a big disappointment. The worst, though, was the QPro SUL. Out of the bag, mine wouldn't fly in a wind that I could have easily flown my Zephyr, Flashlight, or Ozone. None of the standard field adjustments helped, so I packed it up and it's never seen the light of day since. Biggest waste of $350+ ever...


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Dave a on June 27, 2009, 10:42 PM
I bought a Big Bang Pro, flew it three times and absolutely hated it.  Ended up selling it to someone who now seems to hate me, though strangely not because of the Big Bang.  :D

Not "The Imposter" was it Adrian ?


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Adicakes on June 28, 2009, 01:21 AM
Not "The Imposter" was it Adrian ?

The one and only. :)


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: 50flyer on June 28, 2009, 02:13 AM
Prism Fanatic.
It was the first stunt kite I bought. I almost gave up stunt kiting because of this kite. It is a tip wrap monster.  :-X

Bob M.



Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Francois on June 28, 2009, 03:25 AM
Trick Tail Vented
Air oeuvre Disaster
Diablis Icone (this one's realy bad for the $$$) :o


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Adicakes on June 28, 2009, 04:43 AM
Air oeuvre Disaster

Oh yeah, I had one of those too - never a more apt name for a kite.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: damp_weather on June 28, 2009, 06:13 AM
Well, there is that 1997 Beuna Vista Catalyst that I bought in a 2006 sale (the one I am trying to rebuild so that it flys well) - sold as a low wind kite, which by inland standards it isn't.

But the other kites I have regrets about I haven't actually bought myself.  - There was the long service gift of a Robertshaw Vented Fury - will we ever enjoy this kite? - And the original two kites that started it all off - the HQ MyFly and the dual line Peter Powell type kite.  Bought as cheap introductory kites by my partner, neither flys well or consistently.  If they had done, perhaps we would never have bought other kites that did fly and get into this kiting addiction.   :(

QPro SUL? - Our go-to kites for low winds.  But then we did spend a lot of money importing them from the USA, and a lot of time learning how to trim them for the flying conditions.  So we are now getting some return for our investment.

Of the others - well even if we don't particularly get on with them (Fury 0.85 UL comes to mind here) they do teach us something.  - Just often don't know what it is yet.   :-[


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Gardner on June 28, 2009, 08:04 AM
Francois,

You had a problem with the Trick Tail vented?  That was one of my favorite kites. In a strong 20+ mph wind, the kite flies beautifully and will do all sorts of things.

One of the kites I disliked the most was an R-Sky downsized version of the Nirvana.  It didn't take me long to trade it off for a Fury .85.  Another of my regrettables is an HQ Asis.  That kite is oversteer city.  But, the Tram is a great kite.

Gardner


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: PND on June 28, 2009, 11:49 AM
I liked the 3D but gave to buddy to fly. The Desire UL didn't do it for me. I used the spine and LS in my Shadow UL .Dave ;)


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: DWayne on June 28, 2009, 12:06 PM
The only 2 kites I really regretted buying were a Nirvana std. and Nirvana UL.


Denny


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: PND on June 28, 2009, 01:02 PM
The only 2 kites I really regretted buying were a Nirvana std. and Nirvana UL.


Denny
May I asked why you didn't like them? I have heard here they were ever nce  good kites. Dave


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: DWayne on June 28, 2009, 01:24 PM
May I asked why you didn't like them? I have heard here they were ever nce  good kites. Dave

They looked good from a distance.
I can't think of anything else I liked about them.

Denny


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Sketch on June 28, 2009, 05:56 PM
My latest Silver Fox 2.5 UL (at first...but sloooooooooowly get used to flying it in wind speeds that I normally fly most of my standard kites.....Hey!
Guess the price was right...however I am seeing some abnormal wear on the fabric at a multitude of spots and the bag that the Fox came in...is a joke!  The material of the bag is so stiff and many cracks in all the creases where its been folded have rubbed completely through but HEY GUESS THAT IS WHAT SILVER DUCT-DUCK TAPE IS GOOD FOR.

Don't get me wrong...the Fox is fun...but it busted my kite buyin budget last year. (Humm? Now that I think about it... Time flies...guess that Fox is going to be a year old round July 4th?)


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: zippy8 on June 28, 2009, 06:41 PM
The only 2 kites I really regretted buying were a Nirvana std. and Nirvana UL.

There's a fine line between being unconventionally opinioned and just being plain wrong. (http://fracturedaxel.co.uk/phpBB2/images/smiles/eusa_snooty.gif)

I can't say that I loved my Nirvana but I sure as hell respected what it could do. I am genuinely flabbergasted to hear that anyone who might consider themselves a proper kite flyer could regret buying a Nirvana. You have perplexed me.  :o

Mike.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: asburyparkjohn on June 28, 2009, 06:56 PM
QPro-Vent. The "tank." Then someone gave me the SD-Mid-Vent to try.  ;) ;) ;). I like smaller inputs without MUCH PULL. The other was that DOUBLE ZERO kite. At this point and this being just my opinion - if you want a  ultra low wind high performance kite - you simply GOT TO PAY the high price tag.
However - there are really no regrets - based on our age, style, experience and the PRICE TAG every kite eventually finds a HAPPY HOME. If not in our home - someone else's HOME.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: DWayne on June 28, 2009, 07:22 PM
The only 2 kites I really regretted buying were a Nirvana std. and Nirvana UL.

There's a fine line between being unconventionally opinioned and just being plain wrong. ([url]http://fracturedaxel.co.uk/phpBB2/images/smiles/eusa_snooty.gif[/url])

I can't say that I loved my Nirvana but I sure as hell respected what it could do. I am genuinely flabbergasted to hear that anyone who might consider themselves a proper kite flyer could regret buying a Nirvana. You have perplexed me.  :o

Mike.


Your first mistake was thinking I'm some sort of proper flier. I'm a hack plain & simple. But as I said above, they looked good from a distance. That's as close as I can come to saying anything positive about them. Truth is, I've never encountered a kite I liked less.


Denny


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: King-J on June 28, 2009, 07:23 PM
Zippy - Mike
The Question applied to the Thread is based on Opinion, I respect every pilot's opinion I have flown with, doesn't mean that would stop me from trying any of the kites posted on this thread as being disliked, but would definitely try before buying, every kite responds differently in the hands of others, What kite do you not care for? I'm sure there must be one!


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: zippy8 on June 28, 2009, 08:00 PM
Your first mistake was thinking I'm some sort of proper flier.
I hereby withdraw the accusation  :)

Quote
That's as close as I can come to saying anything positive about them. Truth is, I've never encountered a kite I liked less.
I remain in a state of flabbergastation.... flabbergastitude.... whatever. For it to be disliked to the extent that, as the thread title says, you regret buying it...  ???

Quote from: King-J
What kite do you not care for? I'm sure there must be one!
There is, and I posted earlier to that effect. Also I think it's perfectly possible to concede that everyone can have an opinion whilst simultaneously wondering where on earth they get them from. I don't think it makes me a bad person.

Mike.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: kitekrazy on June 28, 2009, 08:11 PM
I hate to say it, but...

the Prism 3D

I got a WISKF special edition but it's too small. I'll keep it because it's a pretty kite and maybe I'll fly it occasionally. It doesn't see a lot of action.



 I'll agree with you on that. I got it out of the bag last year to fly and those little rubber bands need replaced. Therefore in my world it's not a practical kite compared to the Babytana. I have a quite a few Prism kites and I can honestly say I'm not a big fan of Prism at all. That just means I'm not eager to buy their latest and greatest new inventions.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: zippy8 on June 28, 2009, 08:23 PM
Benson Gemini.... Think I need therapy   :-[
OK you people are just getting weird  ::) Who regrets buying a Gemini under any circumstances ?!?!11?

Mike,
have I misunderstood the question ?


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: kitekrazy on June 28, 2009, 09:07 PM
Benson Gemini

I was struggling with another brand of kite and then a mate advised me to do myself a favour and buy a Gemini. I was hooked and bought several. Then I had to have a Minigem, then a Gemini UL. Just when I thought I was all set Tim Benson upgraded the thing so it all started again (waiting for a new one as I write this).

Think I need therapy   :-[


 Now this will make you sad. I have one and I don't think it's even had an hour airtime. I don't dislike it's that I keep forgetting I have one.  I have 3 bags 1)competition kites 2) trick\fun kites (where it's suppose to be) 3) high wind kites. So I went out today and had to use the high wind bag and after putting one of the kites away I wondered what this other kite case I haven't seen. It was the Gemini.

 That's what happen when you have a lot of kite and just got back to flying. It's like some sort of sin.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Adicakes on June 28, 2009, 09:15 PM
have I misunderstood the question ?

Yep, you've missed the dry humour there.  Skippy's point was that buying one Benson leads to another, then another, and another, thus emptying the bank account. ;)


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Gardner on June 28, 2009, 09:43 PM
This thread >:( seems to prove that one man's trash :( is another's treasure ;D.

Gardner


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: kitekrazy on June 28, 2009, 10:07 PM
This thread >:( seems to prove that one man's trash :( is another's treasure ;D.

Gardner

 Nothin wrong with that.  So far no one has defended the Stranger Level 7.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: JimB on June 28, 2009, 10:09 PM
The L7 needs no defending.

It's the greatest kite ever designed.

 ;D


This thread >:( seems to prove that one man's trash :( is another's treasure ;D.

Gardner

 Nothin wrong with that.  So far no one has defended the Stranger Level 7.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: kitekrazy on June 28, 2009, 10:13 PM
 Oh I forgot about this one.

 Vented Jam Session.

I have the original HQ Jam Session and that is still a great kites. I learned that some great kite don't transition well into great vented kites.  The vented Jam is a stinker. The bridle is much different and doesn't behave well. So I made a bridle duplicate to the Jam Session and it was worse.  The vented Jam is a big disappointment.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: kitekrazy on June 28, 2009, 10:17 PM
The L7 needs no defending.

It's the greatest kite ever designed.

 ;D


 Glad I wasn't drinking any liquids after reading that statement. That's a definite Pepsi thru the nose and on to the monitor. I will be laughing for days on that one.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: glider on June 28, 2009, 10:23 PM
- Arbitrator - buyer beware
- Blast-sized quad not made by Rev.  It fell apart.
- 3D


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: zippy8 on June 28, 2009, 10:43 PM
Skippy's point was that buying one Benson leads to another, then another, and another, thus emptying the bank account. ;)
I'm still not seeing the downside here.  ;D

Mike.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Ace on June 29, 2009, 12:00 AM
As Biggie said..................

Zippy zippy zippy can't you see sometimes that Benson hypnotize me :D :D :D

or something to that effect :P


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: inewham on June 29, 2009, 08:58 AM
Don't regret any, especially not my L7 but there's plenty I do count my lucky stars I tried someone else's first. Special mentions go to a 'friday afternoon' French Connection and the Mohawk.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Beachbum on June 29, 2009, 09:14 AM
I'm probably putting myself in front of the firing squad but I really hated the Backtracker.  It's the one reason why I never got into quads.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: fworley on June 29, 2009, 09:15 AM

I traded once for a CR Fury .85 - one fly of that was quite enough to persuade me to move it on again.

-Frazer


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: DD on June 29, 2009, 09:26 AM
Don't regret any, especially not my L7 but there's plenty I do count my lucky stars I tried someone else's first. Special mentions go to a 'friday afternoon' French Connection and the Mohawk.

the original fc, i thought they were all 'friday afternoon' kites
btw that is one of several kites i regret buying


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: thief on June 29, 2009, 09:41 AM
Nothin wrong with that.  So far no one has defended the Stranger Level 7.
i loved mine.....had a blast flying it....just was not flying dual lines much.....so i passed it along....no regrets getting it!!!!selling it-a little bit


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: rxburner on June 29, 2009, 09:42 AM
Fanatic - Tip wrap son of a gun
Mirage (Hypnotist) - Felt like a toy
QP - Flies like a truck

Rx


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: kairusan on June 29, 2009, 11:17 AM
Acrobatx never found a wind range it liked, would tip wrap at the slightest provocation, and broke so often that I could have just bought a proper kite for all the replacement part costs I incurred. It and its cheap, heavy, and obnoxiously fragile pultruded frame (with several proper Avia components) is now a wall decoration.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: JimB on June 29, 2009, 01:10 PM
Does anyone like the Backtracker?

 ::)

I'm probably putting myself in front of the firing squad but I really hated the Backtracker.  It's the one reason why I never got into quads.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: kitekrazy on June 30, 2009, 11:04 AM
Does anyone like the Backtracker?

 ::)

I'm probably putting myself in front of the firing squad but I really hated the Backtracker.  It's the one reason why I never got into quads.

 The name rings a bell but I can't remember what they look like.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Beachbum on June 30, 2009, 12:05 PM
About the same size as the rev 2, but they stand taller.  I think they came out in 93-94 as an entry level quad.  $75 got you the kite, lines, and some plastic molded handles.

It ended up back in the shop real quick.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: adx1592 on June 30, 2009, 12:13 PM
Prism 3d and fanatic. SunnyKites Voodoo Standard. Gomberg Temptation.
3d doesnt do anything but seem to jittery in the air for me, and its to small for my taste. Fanatic wingraps horribly, Voodoo was just a bad kite in my opinion (but the UL was great), and the temptation felt like a brick.  :(


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: ezme6 on June 30, 2009, 12:44 PM
None...I learned something from every one I ever had.

Most times it was me the flyer and not the kite, so I never blamed the kite!

I don't think a kite would go into production if it had all the problems everyone has listed.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: moegeo on June 30, 2009, 01:00 PM
Sometimes I regret buying the first one.   ;)


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: pfouts on June 30, 2009, 03:18 PM
I never regretted the buying ...  but I did regret the selling ...


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: grayflyer on July 01, 2009, 09:44 AM
flying wings Utopia...assembly alone should be a graduate level structural engineering course...probably only reason they ever sold any was cuz they looked good hanging in kite shops...as does mine in the study.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: ET on July 01, 2009, 03:48 PM
I never regretted the buying ...  but I did regret the selling ...

lol... ditto


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Allen Carter on July 01, 2009, 04:14 PM
I never regretted the buying ...  but I did regret the selling ...

lol... ditto

Double ditto

The ones that got away...

But if I didn't sell, I couldn't buy.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: thief on July 01, 2009, 04:26 PM
I never regretted the buying ...  but I did regret the selling ...
and coming from you that means a damn LOT!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: thief on July 01, 2009, 06:50 PM
Zippy: are you adding the Backbow to this list? (anything ever happen with that? someone was searching for him and could not find him again...........)


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: zippy8 on July 01, 2009, 08:03 PM
Zippy: are you adding the Backbow to this list? (anything ever happen with that? someone was searching for him and could not find him again...........)
Definition of buy: to obtain by purchase; acquire by means of a financial transaction.

Never did acquire it so it can't come under the list of "kites I regret buying". Now if this was "kites I regret paying for and not receiving" that would be a wholly different matter.

And, yes, if anyone does happen to run across the delightfully plausible Mr. Mitchell (preferably in an SUV) then do ask him to contact me as we still have much to talk about.

Despite all this I'd still like to have BackBow.  :(

Mike.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Dolphinboy on July 01, 2009, 11:07 PM
The only 2 kites I really regretted buying were a Nirvana std. and Nirvana UL.


Denny

Thanks for the Nirvana UL Denny I don't regret it ;)

I've bought other peoples "regrets" and really enjoy several of them. I've also bought kites that weren't my style but I don't think I regretted buying them. If you can't try them first, it's always a risk though.



Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: randyg on July 02, 2009, 04:40 AM
Some people's "regrets" have to be "unmodified" before they'll fly right.  :-*

I have no regrets in kite purchases that I recall. Any kite I didn't like I've always been able to move to someone else without too much trouble and at an acceptable reduction from my purchase price.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Stardragon on July 02, 2009, 12:04 PM
Sometimes I regret buying the first one.   ;)

Ditto.  Kites are more addictive than any other "substance" I may have tried.

Ron


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Allen Carter on July 02, 2009, 12:08 PM
Sometimes I regret buying the first one.   ;)

No Way!

Kites are one of the best things that ever happened to you!   :)





Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: moegeo on July 02, 2009, 01:03 PM
Your probably right Allen, as pathetic as it sounds.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Allen Carter on July 02, 2009, 01:09 PM
 ;D


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: kitekrazy on July 02, 2009, 01:25 PM
None...I learned something from every one I ever had.

Most times it was me the flyer and not the kite, so I never blamed the kite!

I don't think a kite would go into production if it had all the problems everyone has listed.

 There are plenty of bad ones out there. Most of them are beginner packages and of course the Level 7. Most responses I've seen list the Prism 3D and it's still around.

 A good kite is not just about flight characteristics but components used, quality of the sail, assembly time, replacement parts, ect.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: kitekrazy on July 02, 2009, 01:28 PM
Sometimes I regret buying the first one.   ;)

 Some people do because of poor beginner packages. Those are the ones who never buy a kite again because they weren't around experience fliers. Even good kite companies are guilty of this.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: JimB on July 07, 2009, 12:22 AM
Seeing as how I've already defended the honor of the L7, the kite that already saved the world if you weren't paying attention, it seemed appropriate to do likewise for the Alien. They both debuted in the same year afterall.

It's a fun kite, especially with the trick line off.


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Also, the Alien was a big disappointment.
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Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: ozkite_pilot on July 07, 2009, 03:14 AM
new design benson gemini...
cant keep the blasted thing flying in the sky no matter what iv tried or been recomended to try.
not happy,wont fly.
i like the shape of the wing but not the new leading edge elastic tension idea.
im going for a bm exile std soon.
glen


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Adicakes on July 07, 2009, 04:07 AM
new design benson gemini...
cant keep the blasted thing flying in the sky no matter what iv tried or been recomended to try.
not happy,wont fly.


(http://www.breakitdownblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/doing_it_wrong_bike.jpg)


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: anOldMan on July 07, 2009, 04:32 AM
new design benson gemini...
cant keep the blasted thing flying in the sky no matter what iv tried or been recomended to try.
not happy,wont fly.
i like the shape of the wing but not the new leading edge elastic tension idea.
im going for a bm exile std soon.
glen

If you bought the kite from Tim,Call him and he will get you flying.
If you bought it used, ask the person what he did to the kite. (then e-mail Tim about the problem!)
The first time I ever knew about a Gemini not being able to fly.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: kiteslinger on July 07, 2009, 05:46 AM
Benson airbow......


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: monkey on July 07, 2009, 07:30 AM
I'm probably putting myself in front of the firing squad but I really hated the Backtracker.  It's the one reason why I never got into quads.

Heh, no, I think you'll find there's a vast amount of people who didn't like the Backtracker.   :D


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Gamelord on July 07, 2009, 11:26 AM
Even Revolution doesn't talk about the Backtracker.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: ozkite_pilot on July 07, 2009, 12:45 PM
new design benson gemini...
cant keep the blasted thing flying in the sky no matter what iv tried or been recomended to try.
not happy,wont fly.
i like the shape of the wing but not the new leading edge elastic tension idea.
im going for a bm exile std soon.
glen

If you bought the kite from Tim,Call him and he will get you flying.
If you bought it used, ask the person what he did to the kite. (then e-mail Tim about the problem!)
The first time I ever knew about a Gemini not being able to fly.


i have emailed and spoke to tim many times actually!!!
no luck still.
i know how to fly kites and always manage to keep them in the air but not this kite.
glen


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Allen Carter on July 07, 2009, 01:23 PM
new design benson gemini...
cant keep the blasted thing flying in the sky no matter what iv tried

$5


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Craig on July 07, 2009, 02:05 PM
new design benson gemini...
cant keep the blasted thing flying in the sky no matter what iv tried or been recomended to try.
not happy,wont fly.
i like the shape of the wing but not the new leading edge elastic tension idea.
im going for a bm exile std soon.
glen

If you can't keep the Gem in the sky an Exile won't help you.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: ozkite_pilot on July 08, 2009, 03:06 AM
what ever ya reackon !!!


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Ace on July 08, 2009, 05:25 AM
OK OK.. lets take it easy before things get nasty...

Seriously dude Moran reserve over a weekend... Problem solved, no more emails, phone calls or posts that don't seem to make any sense.

Catch ya! ;)


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: zippy8 on July 08, 2009, 05:29 AM
OK OK.. lets take it easy before things get nasty...
A little late in the day for that, sadly  :-[

Mike.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: fworley on July 08, 2009, 05:29 AM
what ever ya reackon !!!
Have you tried putting a tail on it ?

I find thats a great help in making a kite more of a stable flier.

-Frazer


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: JimB on July 08, 2009, 06:51 AM
Not everyone gets on with every kite, not even the vaunted Gem.

Let's cut the guy some slack.

There might be a perfectly good reason why his Gem is giving him fits.

It may just have had the bridle messed with. It may have a slipped ferrule, it may be wind quality.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: RonG on July 08, 2009, 07:11 AM
Seeing as how I've already defended the honor of the L7, the kite that already saved the world if you weren't paying attention, it seemed appropriate to do likewise for the Alien. They both debuted in the same year afterall.
Yes on the L7.  It rocks (even if I totally don't).

No on the Alien.

I bought an Alien, and hated it.  Sold it.  Decided I hadn't given it a fair shake, so bought another one.  Still hating, sold it.  Figured maybe the third time's the charm, so...well you know.  No, turns out the third time is just...the third time.

Definition of insanity?  I guess.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: RobB on July 08, 2009, 07:41 AM
Not everyone gets on with every kite, not even the vaunted Gem.

Let's cut the guy some slack.

There might be a perfectly good reason why his Gem is giving him fits.

It may just have had the bridle messed with. It may have a slipped ferrule, it may be wind quality.
I agree... Even though just about everyone else loves their QPro SUL, I can't say anything good about mine. But I know it's gotta be me, having no patience to figure out what might be wrong with a factory brand new kite that's a boat anchor. Too little flying time, too many other kites that need to fly.
I do love my Gemini, even though it's an old one. A new Gem is at the top of my wish list...
~Rob.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: mikenchico on July 08, 2009, 01:02 PM
what ever ya reackon !!!
Have you tried putting a tail on it ?

I find thats a great help in making a kite more of a stable flier.

-Frazer


 :D  :D  :D

made my day Frazer, I'll PM you with an explanation



Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: kevspilly on July 08, 2009, 01:22 PM
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Even though just about everyone else loves their QPro SUL, I can't say anything good about mine.

Hmmm.... Strange, mine is pretty good prefer SD SUL though. 


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: freecheese on July 10, 2009, 01:10 AM
But I know it's gotta be me, having no patience to figure out what might be wrong with a factory brand new kite that's a boat anchor.

I wonder if your kite just needs to settle in and stretch? I've only had my QPro SUL out a few times. So far so good, but I really haven't put it to the test yet (except the breaking point test: yes, it can break!). My QPro standard, however, also felt like a tank at first. It's not an SUL or even an UL, I know, but I couldn't keep the thing up in anything close to it's advertised lower range. After 20+ hours of flying time, however, it completely changed. I was flying it in winds that my friend's brand new Zephyr wouldn't stay up in.

Cheese


PS - The kite I regret buying most is the Utopia. I'm sure it's capable of much more than what I could get out of it all those years ago, but every single connector has deteriorated into some kind of black jell-o since then, and I don't really feel inspired to put any work into it.



Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Betty Boop on July 10, 2009, 02:02 AM
Air oeuvre Disaster = Just some sticks and stuff that you throw in the air and it falls to the ground... :(


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: RobB on July 10, 2009, 04:53 AM
But I know it's gotta be me, having no patience to figure out what might be wrong with a factory brand new kite that's a boat anchor.

I wonder if your kite just needs to settle in and stretch? I've only had my QPro SUL out a few times. So far so good, but I really haven't put it to the test yet (except the breaking point test: yes, it can break!). My QPro standard, however, also felt like a tank at first. It's not an SUL or even an UL, I know, but I couldn't keep the thing up in anything close to it's advertised lower range. After 20+ hours of flying time, however, it completely changed. I was flying it in winds that my friend's brand new Zephyr wouldn't stay up in.

Cheese


PS - The kite I regret buying most is the Utopia. I'm sure it's capable of much more than what I could get out of it all those years ago, but every single connector has deteriorated into some kind of black jell-o since then, and I don't really feel inspired to put any work into it.


I agrgee that the QPro std. feels really heavy,too. That's why I like flying mine in 10+mph. When I started asking why my QPro SUL wouln't fly, it was amazing how many stories popped up about mis-stitched upside down bridled mis assembled Prism kites came out of the woodwork. Unacceptable...
I love the Prisms I have (except the QPros SUL) but I won't buy any more.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: wicastawakan on July 10, 2009, 05:44 AM
Ok, I'm going to defend the SL7.  On the given day, satisfying to fly and it is like wow.  Well, most of the day.  Maybe part of the day.  A relationship with the SL7 is like a relationship with the opposite sex.......   

Fantastic WOW factor, but at what price. 


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: fworley on July 10, 2009, 07:39 AM
A relationship with the SL7 is like a relationship with the opposite sex.......  Fantastic WOW factor, but at what price. 
Alright, I'm confused (and a little concerned) are you advocating same sex relationships Clint ?

-Frazer  ;)


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: anOldMan on July 10, 2009, 04:41 PM
A relationship with the SL7 is like a relationship with the opposite sex.......  Fantastic WOW factor, but at what price. 
Alright, I'm confused (and a little concerned) are you advocating same sex relationships Clint ?

-Frazer  ;)

Frazer, I think he is trying to demonstrate an emotional feeling, NOT a fiscal feeling.

Puts a whole new definitional on line control!!!  ;)


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: lylenc on July 12, 2009, 05:09 PM
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...demonstrate an emotional feeling, NOT a fiscal feeling.

A lot of politicians could avoid fiscal irresponsibility and scandalous affairs by spending more time sleeping with their kites.  :-X


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: ezme6 on July 13, 2009, 06:08 PM
this thread is still alive?

Amazing!


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Francois on July 20, 2009, 12:43 PM
Air oeuvre Disaster = Just some sticks and stuff that you throw in the air and it falls to the ground... :(


Took mine appart, added a top spreader, change the briddle a bit and i am surprise by the improvement. But having the choice I would like my $$$ back instead!!! :'(


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: JimB on July 20, 2009, 01:40 PM
Wasn't there a lifetime guarantee?  ::)
 

Air oeuvre Disaster = Just some sticks and stuff that you throw in the air and it falls to the ground... :(


Took mine appart, added a top spreader, change the briddle a bit and i am surprise by the improvement. But having the choice I would like my $$$ back instead!!! :'(


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: indigo_wolf on July 20, 2009, 02:28 PM
Wasn't there a lifetime guarantee?  ::)

With apologies to Mike.... a surprising amount of the fine print for various products define "lifetime guarantee" of a product as the production life of a given item (chicken??  egg??).  I don't think that was the case with AO, but there's a heck of a lot of precedent elsewhere.

ATB,
Sam


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Francois on July 21, 2009, 02:59 AM
Sure it has a lifetime garentee:
If it doesn't fly...Well,That's life!!! >:(


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Beachbum on July 21, 2009, 11:04 PM
Or if the maker disappears...I distinctly remember the last thing you saw on the site was around the lines of:  "If you want to buy extra carbon or fabric email me."



Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Damo666 on October 11, 2009, 04:24 AM
I bought one when I was fresh - it had two spare spreaders included (bad sign!); they were fibreglass.....it when down hill from there..... (POS image below)
Live and learn :)

Cheers,
Mike


G-Day Mike,

I just got the firestorm as my first kite but with mine the spreaders are carbon fibre i have upgraded my flying lines(origonal where to stretchy for me) to climax 25meter 75kg blue lines and the kite flys well for $70 investment +$29 for the new lines.
If i may ask what problems did you have with it?


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: portley777 on October 11, 2009, 03:08 PM
Damo- not to worry, there are at least 3 different brands of kites named "Firestorm" (for some reason). I got the really bad one. The 6ft wing span with the multicoloured stained glass panels.

cheers,
mike


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Damo666 on October 11, 2009, 10:50 PM
Damo- not to worry, there are at least 3 different brands of kites named "Firestorm" (for some reason). I got the really bad one. The 6ft wing span with the multicoloured stained glass panels.

cheers,
mike

All good Mike just for the record myn was from kite magic coogie in sydney


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: dragonfly on October 12, 2009, 07:54 AM
There's not one single (sic*dual) kite I regret buying, but loads I regret selling....   :'(


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: cje0114 on October 12, 2009, 06:13 PM
There's not one single (sic*dual) kite I regret buying, but loads I regret selling....   :'(


I feel your pain.....I REALLY feel your pain!!! :'( :'(


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: siajauren on October 23, 2009, 01:20 AM
I bought a Big Bang Pro, flew it three times and absolutely hated it.  Ended up selling it to someone who now seems to hate me, though strangely not because of the Big Bang.  :D

You are better than me flew it for 3 time, mine Big Bang is one time then Dump it into Rubbish bin.


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: Beachbum on October 23, 2009, 04:15 PM
You are better than me flew it for 3 time, mine Big Bang is one time then Dump it into Rubbish bin.

Did it make a big Thud going in?


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: indigo_wolf on October 26, 2009, 03:01 PM
There's not one single (sic*dual) kite I regret buying, but loads I regret selling....   :'(

"If you love something, set it free..."  Errr...ummm.... never mind.  That's probably doesn't apply here.  Where did I put my unicorn rubber stamp?  ::)

ATB,
Sam


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: dragonfly on October 27, 2009, 01:03 PM
"If you love something, set it free..." 


Sounds like a good plan...  ;)
Eole (http://vimeo.com/4576801)


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: indigo_wolf on October 27, 2009, 02:52 PM
Yeah.... I ran across that video a few months back.  Someone complained that the fighter kite was bridled wrong.  I was like "THAT'S you're biggest complaint?"  Well worth the 7-8 minutes of viewing time.

ATB,
Sam


Title: Re: Kites you regret buying
Post by: xuzme720 on November 13, 2009, 03:15 PM
well, sure. and the AoA on ALL the kites was wrong! lol

Really nice video, worth the time definitely..