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Title: Spacekites Matador (4m)
Post by: tizdaz on May 07, 2014, 11:04 AM
Anyone have any experience with this kite please?

Im still deciding what kite to get & this one is very tempting :)

would like to know if it also comes with line? & what size the transport bags are?

Thanks


Title: Re: Spacekites Matador (4m)
Post by: ae on May 07, 2014, 04:08 PM
A pal of mine has it, it is a majestic kite. very powerful and pretty fast for its size.
But always well behaving.

It does not come with a line by default. Pack size is about 145cm. or 2.55m without breaking the leading edges down.


Title: Re: Spacekites Matador (4m)
Post by: tizdaz on May 08, 2014, 05:26 AM
Hey ae :-)

Thanks for the info.. After reading up a bit more on it, this is the one im going for, its 399euro direct from spacekites with free shipping, couldnt find anywhere in uk that sells it?

Think im going to get the black and white colour scheme what u think? :-)

What line would you recommend, i want around 100ft but not sure what type i need?

Thanks again :-)


Title: Re: Spacekites Matador (4m)
Post by: ae on May 08, 2014, 07:32 AM
Spacekites only sells direct.

You want more then just 100ft lines, much more. It is a big kite, it has a commanding presence and demands more room to be flown. 150ft at least.
How strong depends on your weight, wind conditions etc.
But in general, 130-150DaN, less in little winds, more if you are a heavy weight in strong winds.


Title: Re: Spacekites Matador (4m)
Post by: Michel on May 08, 2014, 07:42 AM
100 lines is too short IMHO.

Recommended lines for the Spacekites Matador :

70 > 180 Kg (155 > 400 lbs) x 40 > 50 m (130 > 165)

Have a look here (http://www.kite-tests.de/matador-machtiger-flugel.html).




Title: Re: Spacekites Matador (4m)
Post by: Hadge on May 08, 2014, 07:44 AM
Hey ae :-)

Thanks for the info.. After reading up a bit more on it, this is the one im going for, its 399euro direct from spacekites with free shipping, couldnt find anywhere in uk that sells it?

Think im going to get the black and white colour scheme what u think? :-)

What line would you recommend, i want around 100ft but not sure what type i need?

Thanks again :-)

You won't be able to buy any of the kites you are looking at from a UK shop - these Speedkites/ large framed power kites are just not as popular as they are in Europe.  The only ones I know available from UK shops are the HQ range and the Spiderkites Atrax L and URO - neither of which is what you are looking for. You shouldn't have any problems buying from European kite shops you don't pay import duty but I'm not sure about VAT.

Just one other thing to bear in mind - I don't know where you are planning on flying it, but if you had a beach in mind remember that just because you are flying a 4m, 1.3kg kite on 165' lines doesn't mean that Mr & Mrs Joe Public will actually register your presence! They have, in my experience, an amount of common sense slightly less than the average sheep and they will wander underneath/ let small children play/ have a picnic/ play football or cricket DIRECTLY under or in the flight path of your kite totally oblivious to the fact that it's there! ...even if you set up in the most secluded part of the beach within 10 minutes they'll be heading for you in droves like Lemmings to a cliff face!......be careful out there!



Title: Re: Spacekites Matador (4m)
Post by: tizdaz on May 08, 2014, 08:16 AM
Hey guys :)

oki doke, so maybe looking at around 100m line then?

Im going to be ordering it all tomorrow (kite direct from Spacekites), anyone know of a good place to buy the line from in the UK?

Aye i know what you mean Hadge, my other hobby is Largescale RC offroad petrol buggy's... need eyes like a hawk sometimes! :)

Thanks again guys :)



Title: Re: Spacekites Matador (4m)
Post by: Hadge on May 08, 2014, 08:42 AM
anyone know of a good place to buy the line from in the UK?


Can you order lines from Space kites when you get the kite? The longest ready made line sets you can buy are 30-35 m ( about 120') after that you may have to make your own from a bulk spool. If you contact Kites4U on the link I PM'd you I think he will make sets up.


Title: Re: Spacekites Matador (4m)
Post by: tizdaz on May 08, 2014, 09:03 AM
ah oki great thanks, will drop him a message :)


Title: Re: Spacekites Matador (4m)
Post by: tizdaz on May 08, 2014, 09:06 AM
so just to be clear, i need around 150kg... and about 100-120m?


Title: Re: Spacekites Matador (4m)
Post by: tizdaz on May 08, 2014, 09:20 AM
actually maybe 100m is too long, what about 60m (about 198ft) ?


Title: Re: Spacekites Matador (4m)
Post by: Hadge on May 08, 2014, 09:25 AM
40-50 meter should be OK. Padded straps too.


Title: Re: Spacekites Matador (4m)
Post by: tizdaz on May 08, 2014, 11:33 AM
hey :)

just got reply from chap at kites4u, hes going to give me a quote on 60m line :)

Aye looking at the straps now on kites4u, think gunna go for a nice padded one!

Anything else i will need, whats these swivels, are they a good idea or?

Also any other tips or thing i might need, ive never really owned a pro kite before so want to make sure i look after it :)


Title: Re: Spacekites Matador (4m)
Post by: tizdaz on May 08, 2014, 11:34 AM
when i say swivels i mean these:

(http://www.kites4you.co.uk/contents/media/ball%20bearing%20150%20np951064.jpg)
http://www.kites4you.co.uk/contents/en-uk/d57.html (http://www.kites4you.co.uk/contents/en-uk/d57.html)


Title: Re: Spacekites Matador (4m)
Post by: skb on May 08, 2014, 12:43 PM
Swivels are unnecessary. 


Title: Re: Spacekites Matador (4m)
Post by: tizdaz on May 08, 2014, 01:26 PM
oki doke thanks :)

not sure what bag it comes with? but i may need a better bag to as i will be walking most places & using public transport (train/bus etc!).



Title: Re: Spacekites Matador (4m)
Post by: DMF on May 08, 2014, 04:50 PM
I don't have any experience with a large stunt Kite such as Spacekites Matador, however, I have flown plenty of big kites and power kites.  I would be very hesitant to fly that kite on wrist straps even padded ones.  The issue is that you have no ability to depower the kite and with a 4M wingspan depending on what your winds are like you will be at risk of being dragged or injured.  I would go with handles like you see this guy wearing Space kites Matador : short impression (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81YnD_hi8gM#ws) therefore you can let go if overpowered, preferably one line.  Make sure there is no one downwind when flying because if you let go they could get hurt.  Its amazing like hadge said how the downwind area can become a huge magnet for Joe public


Title: Re: Spacekites Matador (4m)
Post by: tizdaz on May 09, 2014, 05:04 AM
Well, just tried to order it from spacekites website, but I get an error on website, can someone else try it to see if it's just me having this problem, it goes ok until last page where it's meant to take me to PayPal page :-( gutted cut I want to get it ordered, even sent 2 emails and no reply!


Title: Re: Spacekites Matador (4m)
Post by: tizdaz on May 09, 2014, 05:34 AM
Jus tried again same problem, also the fb link dont work either, very poor website along with worse customer service, I sent an email few days ago and today, no reply. Think I will take my 350 elsewhere, 1st impressions of spacekites.. Very very bad. :-(


Title: Re: Spacekites Matador (4m)
Post by: ray3619 on May 09, 2014, 08:37 AM
good luck on your kite purchase , i too am a monster kite lover , i use to leave near the oregon coast and could fly in un crowded areas , the un crowded part is real important , there not park flyers , but i lovem


Title: Re: Spacekites Matador (4m)
Post by: tizdaz on May 09, 2014, 08:43 AM
thanks ray :)

but unfortunately it looks like i cant get hold of any of the 1s i would like so may have to give up on the kite idea for time being, cant believe no company no longer produces dual line deltas with wingspan of 4m+ anymore!