GWTW Forum

Kites! Kites! Kites! => Sport Kites => Topic started by: np on July 16, 2014, 04:31 PM



Title: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: np on July 16, 2014, 04:31 PM
 :)


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Gamelord on July 16, 2014, 05:20 PM
Not sure if this will help or not, but with the UL I found that when I put it into the turtle, it drops into the turtle ok but I need to give it just a bit more slack for it to drop the nose down into a very deep turtle, once there a steady draw backwards and it rolls right around.  The UL likes to have a lot more smooth coaxing as compared to the standards which like to get slammed around a bit more rough. :)

Hope that helps.


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: wagsboyz on July 16, 2014, 08:47 PM
In order to do that I might have to move forward...   I seem to be "move forward challenged".. 



slack, slack, slack....  Move forward to get more slack....... :(
(Just part of my practice)

slack, slack, slack....  Move forward to get more slack....... ;D

Eventually it will sink in.....


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Wayner on July 17, 2014, 11:11 PM
My 2 cents. Same as gamelord. For me small movement forward with hands or feet and then a slow steady pull for the lazy.


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: wagsboyz on July 18, 2014, 05:46 PM
It was a day for the Gemini Std...   Series of 3 JLs the first 2 were pretty quick and the third one kept falling out of the fade But got it (glad it didn't come down as it would have been in the parking lot).. Got several other singles but the lateral roll out was a bit erratic.. 

I even got a couple with my Elixir...  No UL flying today...   Real bumpy higher winds from 8:30am till 4:00..  Still a good day

Hoping for light winds tomorrow....


What does AVFFF stand for????    I have been able to pop from the fade and get rolled up but I'm unsure of the unroll..   Probably has more to do with moving forward huh..  :-[

I should mention that I was having difficulty until I remembered the leaders you left me and again They Helped.. :o


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: SparkieRob on July 18, 2014, 06:13 PM
American Version French Flic Flac, I think.


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: wagsboyz on July 18, 2014, 10:03 PM
During the lateral roll out after the pop to turtle the leaders are very visible and  they gave me an opportunity to tend the lines and reduce the chaces of the line tip wrapping.  As you said the lines need to lay down on the lower spreaders and with the leaders I can see them clearly and they seem to add some weight to help drape the lines on the spreaders.

Horrible wind day today, real bumpy but I went with practice in mind and that is what I did.  I also worked on moving forward n different ways.

I worked on verticle dives with pancake landings and then worked on timing to pancake prior to the ground (inches) and pop into fade.  By the end of the day I was doing verticle dives and pancake to fade 2-3 feet off the ground.  I even had one work out into rising fade which I transitioned into the Jacobs Ladder and just missed ending it but still flew away, final fade spun out.

I listened and I am not just fading from broken axles and I worked evenly on both sides of the window and around the center.  I am understanding forward movement and when and where it works.  I spent an hour or so just producing slack away from the edges.  Oh yea forgot to mention that my keeping my hands down to my sides gives me alot more line fore and aft movement and helps to get slack quicker than I can move my nailed down feet. ( I know it was what you were telling me)  You were right.  I concentrated on flying that way all day as to start a new habit and make it second nature.

Thanks Norm,  you have given me a new found excitement for flying and I see great things ahead.  Pilot skill is developing everytime I go to the field and it's blast.  I have thinned out the bag and am only taking 5-6 kites with me and only what I might need to practice.





Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: adx1592 on July 21, 2014, 01:49 PM
Not sure if this will help or not, but with the UL I found that when I put it into the turtle, it drops into the turtle ok but I need to give it just a bit more slack for it to drop the nose down into a very deep turtle, once there a steady draw backwards and it rolls right around.  The UL likes to have a lot more smooth coaxing as compared to the standards which like to get slammed around a bit more rough. :)

Hope that helps.

Seconded. Usually some of the 'older' skyburner kites, especially the Delta Drive, need to sit into a turtle and they take a bit to settle back. When they're back, they're back. The Aura is also like this in that respect.

Did you get to fly it again and try out some different inputs?


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: wagsboyz on July 22, 2014, 10:21 PM
I'm working on trying to get it to sit further back but our wind is Std. range currently.  Hoping for less wind soon....

I can get the JL but being a newbie it isn't automatic yet.


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: wagsboyz on July 23, 2014, 10:11 PM
Weather is good but the wind has been up.  No UL flying but hopefully this weekend will settle down.  I am anxious to get back to working on the JL and I think l might have a better chance with the UL's in light wind over the Std in higher bumpy winds.

I am becoming more solid with my control and entering positions in different ways.  I was impressed with the multitude of ways you enter positions and how the smoothness adds to the flow of tricks.  So that is what I'm working on it makes a big difference and looks great when smooth. 

I look forward to flying with the Famous Norms straps soon...  I've already gotten rid of all my BOAS....Compared to the finger straps they don't provide much in the way of control.



Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: wagsboyz on July 24, 2014, 08:24 PM
You inspired me to fly in a totally different way than I had flown.  It was watching you fly and how you did things that I have been looking for in my flying.  Smooth fluid transitions is my aim now that I have seen you do it.  I mentioned before that I was looking for combos but it isn't just combos it is the fluid smooth combos that look good.

The videos that I have seen that I really like are those that flow smooth and effortless which I better understand now.  I havn't really flown with anyone that flys like that until now.  I guess I learn better in person than trying to undertand instruction in a video.

You've created a monster....



Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Captainbob on July 26, 2014, 04:53 PM
Not into tricking at all, and  this is my first video on an Android phone of my new Freestylist UL, just flying around and having a lot of fun.   Wind around 3 mph. 


http://youtu.be/2fpWdQZ43lw (http://youtu.be/2fpWdQZ43lw)


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: wagsboyz on July 26, 2014, 05:04 PM
Nice video Bob.  Beautiful kite, like the red!!   


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: basicbill on July 26, 2014, 05:58 PM
Not into tricking at all, and  this is my first video on an Android phone of my new Freestylist UL, just flying around and having a lot of fun.   Wind around 3 mph. 

[url]http://youtu.be/2fpWdQZ43lw[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/2fpWdQZ43lw[/url])


Nicely done. My kind of flying.

Bill


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Captainbob on July 26, 2014, 07:17 PM
Not into tricking at all, and  this is my first video on an Android phone of my new Freestylist UL, just flying around and having a lot of fun.   Wind around 3 mph. 

[url]http://youtu.be/2fpWdQZ43lw[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/2fpWdQZ43lw[/url])


Nicely done. My kind of flying.

Bill


I did one with one of my Revs today too. 

http://youtu.be/pRCXr7wu3Ig (http://youtu.be/pRCXr7wu3Ig)


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: wagsboyz on July 28, 2014, 07:57 PM
So I spent the day flying in very light wind and worked on the JL all day.  Here is what I found.

1. Fade entry without issue
2. Lateral roll out was most reliable when not setteling in the fade, directly rolling out.  Kept the kite square.
   Rolling out from the held fade I was having keeping the kite square.
3. Popping into the turtle not really an issue and getting it deep was good.
4. While in the turtle the kite lost altitude so fast that when I did the half lazy I couldn't get the fade.

Any tricks about keeping altitude in the turtle.  Maybe I'm just trying to be too slow with the whole manuever.  Speeding up the fade to roll out worked great, I need to try and speed up the lazy to get into the fade to be able to regain altitude?

By the way,  I'm having a blast..

Note to NP:  I flew with a good friend today.  Glen was here and he got seven other flyers out and we had a ball.  Not bad for a Monday, of course I had to call in sick but what a way to spend a sick day. ;D


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: wagsboyz on July 29, 2014, 09:54 PM
I'm trying even if the wind hasn't been perfect.  I want to be able to fly in all winds not just that elusive perfect condition.

Yesterday was a strange wind day for sure.  We had everthing from indoor kites to SUL's and UL's up with very flakey variable breezes.   I was doing helicopters with indoor kites and flying the freestylist (challenge).

It was the type of day that helped me understand low wind flying techniques.  The low wind capabilities of a kite is without doubt pilot dependent.  Before yesterday I probably would not have tried to fly in the light conditions we had for alot of the day.  In the future I will welcome the challenge.

The wind came up several times throughout the day to try the JL but was still really bumpy and unpredictable.  But my techniques should shine when I do get good wind because I'm pretty close in the crappy winds.

Any kite flying day beats being at work... ::)

Note:  my bucket is coming along.. Next down to the water...


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: wagsboyz on August 01, 2014, 10:48 PM
I'm not so sure that Dawn would try it.. ::)

We're off to the park tomorrow hoping for a good wind day. I am going to start my day down at the water however I don't have my bucket ready yet.

I had broken a lower leading edge on my Widow Maker UL somehow while it was in the bag and just got it fixed tonight.  I havn't had it with me the last couple times I have flown and I'm hoping I can JL it with some consistantcy.  Gonna give it a go if the wind is good.


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: wagsboyz on August 03, 2014, 02:19 PM
Nope,  got to the beach early and not a wisp of wind to be had.  We stayed all day and the wind just never happened.  Really strange day.  I did fly my Prism Vapor on really short lines and the wind was low enough to fly up and over and 360.
Family had fun riding bikes and playing at the beach.

Stayed home and made soft pretzels today as it is raining.



Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Captainbob on August 03, 2014, 02:43 PM
Nope,  got to the beach early and not a wisp of wind to be had.  We stayed all day and the wind just never happened.  Really strange day.  I did fly my Prism Vapor on really short lines and the wind was low enough to fly up and over and 360.
Family had fun riding bikes and playing at the beach.

Stayed home and made soft pretzels today as it is raining.



Same here in Atlanta, not a bit of wind to fly anything except a helium filled balloon.  :-[


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: wagsboyz on August 03, 2014, 03:14 PM
Captainbob,  that's what I need to add to the bag, some helium and balloons.   :D :'(

I'll just stick to beer and some snacks for now.  No wind makes for some good relaxation... ;D


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Captainbob on August 03, 2014, 03:14 PM
Captainbob,  that's what I need to add to the bag, some helium and balloons.   :D :'(

I'll just stick to beer and some snacks for now.  No wind makes for some good relaxation... ;D


Get some good Craft beers. They will brighten your day....


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: wagsboyz on August 03, 2014, 03:18 PM
you were reading my mind.  I am a sucker for good dark craft beer.  Kinda why I made pretzels today, a little Black Butte Porter might have made it in the dough...

[attachment deleted by admin]


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Captainbob on August 03, 2014, 03:28 PM
you were reading my mind.  I am a sucker for good dark craft beer.  Kinda why I made pretzels today, a little Black Butte Porter might have made it in the dough...
I worked for a Belgium company for almost 20 years, which got me hooked on good beers, most of them dark. Love Porters, Stouts, and there are many great Craft beers now in the US that compare favorably with the best Belgium beers.
We even have some excellent micro brews right here in
Atlanta


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: wagsboyz on August 03, 2014, 03:38 PM
Our family spent this last Christmas in Munich where I was in hog heaven tasting all of the incredible Dark German Beers.  My current local favorite is Black Butte Porter from Oregon.


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Trip on August 05, 2014, 06:33 AM
np... nice Freestylist. On my wishlist is a WM UL, but I find that the stats for the WM UL and the Freestylist UL are about the same. I'm like CaptainBob in that I don't trick much in my piloting. I haven't flown either kite. Which do you prefer?

Nice vids CaptianBob. I like the red Freestylist. 


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Trip on August 05, 2014, 12:23 PM
np... nice Freestylist.
Trip......There must be some confusion, as I don't own a Skyburner Freestylist.

I'm like CaptainBob in that I don't trick much in my piloting. I haven't flown either kite. Which do you prefer?
I choose and buy my kites to trick and don't like to recommend which kite for YOU to buy. I will say this: If you're not going to trick, then you don't need a $300.00+ kite to fly ribbon tails or figure eights.  ;) Myself I think you and Capt. Bob should start tricking.  ;) It's not easy, especially on us "old guys", but it will hold your interest a lot longer than pulling tails. I would be more than happy to send you some video links of some the "trick challenges" I offered to Beginners in this forum. Before you purchase either of the kites you mentioned above, be SURE you know what you are going to do with it, even if it's because of the particular wind you encounter where you fly.   

My apologies np.... I looked back and saw where you stated in your original post that you flew a Freestylist... not own one. However, I wasn't asking which kite you think I should buy, I was asking which YOU prefer. Big difference. I know you don't know me very well, but I don't buy kites on a whim. Before I consider buying any kite, I like to do the research and ask questions.



Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Wayner on August 05, 2014, 01:02 PM
np... nice Freestylist. On my wishlist is a WM UL, but I find that the stats for the WM UL and the Freestylist UL are about the same. I'm like CaptainBob in that I don't trick much in my piloting. I haven't flown either kite. Which do you prefer?

Nice vids CaptianBob. I like the red Freestylist. 

I have owned both. 

The two kites are similar in style and ability. 
I have own them both, they are more similar than dissimilar.  Both kites can do all the tricks I know.  As your trick skills develop you may outgrow the Freestylist.  For precision flying both will work well.

The WM is a world class kite with a build quality to match. An example is the extensive nose detail to avoid line snags.
 
The freestylist has a simpler sail design and construction to reduce cost.

 



Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: wagsboyz on August 05, 2014, 09:54 PM
np... nice Freestylist. On my wishlist is a WM UL, but I find that the stats for the WM UL and the Freestylist UL are about the same. I'm like CaptainBob in that I don't trick much in my piloting. I haven't flown either kite. Which do you prefer?

Nice vids CaptianBob. I like the red Freestylist. 

Trip,  I own both and I bought the Freestylist from Wayner.  Both the WM UL and Freestylist UL are fantastic kites and as Wayner stated they are very similar.  In your statement you mentioned that tricking is not your thing, not sure if you are wanting to develop into tricking so here is my opinion.  If you want to trick then either kite would be great as they are very capable.  If you don't envision tricking I would recommend looking for a kite targeted at precision.  Depending on your local wind conditions you need to decide on Std., UL, SUL, or Vented.  Lots of great kites out there at reasonable prices to maybe have a variety of the above for varied conditions.





Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Trip on August 06, 2014, 06:22 AM
Thanks for the info guys.


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Captainbob on August 06, 2014, 06:36 AM
np... nice Freestylist.
Trip......There must be some confusion, as I don't own a Skyburner Freestylist.

I'm like CaptainBob in that I don't trick much in my piloting. I haven't flown either kite. Which do you prefer?
I choose and buy my kites to trick and don't like to recommend which kite for YOU to buy. I will say this: If you're not going to trick, then you don't need a $300.00+ kite to fly ribbon tails or figure eights.  ;) Myself I think you and Capt. Bob should start tricking.  ;) It's not easy, especially on us "old guys", but it will hold your interest a lot longer than pulling tails. I would be more than happy to send you some video links of some the "trick challenges" I offered to Beginners in this forum. Before you purchase either of the kites you mentioned above, be SURE you know what you are going to do with it, even if it's because of the particular wind you encounter where you fly.   


Been interested in aviation and things that fly since I was about 6 years old and used to watch Piper Cubs doing bounces and goes at Flushing Airport. Then got my Private Pilots license and also flew RC aircraft, and Helicopters for years. When I started kiting after the first of this year, I looked at videos of tricks on stunt kite, and couldn't find anything interesting or entertaining about it at all, but that is just my personal preference.

I decided at that point, that like flying a real aircraft, or RC aircraft, I was more into precision flying, or as we say in real aircraft,  "flying by the numbers". Maintaining exact speeds, headings, touchdown points, etc..etc.. is what I love, and flying either a Rev or Dualie, and getting it to fly in precise patterns is what I enjoy trying to do. All the kites I have purchased recently, I bought with this goal in mind. I love the way my Freestylist UL handles, as well as my Widow NG. I also like both my Revs, and try to fly them the same way. Two kites that I never really took to, are my HQ Symphony 1.8, and my Prism 4D, which basically remain in the hangar.


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: stapp59 on August 06, 2014, 06:51 AM
Find yourself a BMK Mamba  8) It is full sized, flies well, wind efficient and precise. Still flown by teams today. Not that tricky by today's standards but does very nice flat spin moves and solid fades. Awesome at pulling a 100' tail  :)

Been interested in aviation and things that fly since I was about 6 years old and used to watch Piper Cubs doing bounces and goes at Flushing Airport. Then got my Private Pilots license and also flew RC aircraft, and Helicopters for years. When I started kiting after the first of this year, I looked at videos of tricks on stunt kite, and couldn't find anything interesting or entertaining about it at all, but that is just my personal preference.

I decided at that point, that like flying a real aircraft, or RC aircraft, I was more into precision flying, or as we say in real aircraft,  "flying by the numbers". Maintaining exact speeds, headings, touchdown points, etc..etc.. is what I love, and flying either a Rev or Dualie, and getting it to fly in precise patterns is what I enjoy trying to do. All the kites I have purchased recently, I bought with this goal in mind. I love the way my Freestylist UL handles, as well as my Widow NG. I also like both my Revs, and try to fly them the same way. Two kites that I never really took to, are my HQ Symphony 1.8, and my Prism 4D, which basically remain in the hangar.


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Trip on August 06, 2014, 08:29 AM
I'm like CaptainBob in that I don't trick much in my piloting. I haven't flown either kite. Which do you prefer?

I choose and buy my kites to trick and don't like to recommend which kite for YOU to buy. I will say this: If you're not going to trick, then you don't need a $300.00+ kite to fly ribbon tails or figure eights.  ;) Myself I think you and Capt. Bob should start tricking.  ;) It's not easy, especially on us "old guys", but it will hold your interest a lot longer than pulling tails. I would be more than happy to send you some video links of some the "trick challenges" I offered to Beginners in this forum. Before you purchase either of the kites you mentioned above, be SURE you know what you are going to do with it, even if it's because of the particular wind you encounter where you fly.   

All of us have our reasons for flying the way we do. I've tried both types of flying and feel that "pulling tails" and precision/ballet flying is more my style. I contend that kite flying is a form of individual/personal expression and relaxation.

But, I have to admit, there are times I feel like a second-class citizen on here by a few individuals because I don't focus solely on tricking with a sport kite. Yes, I'm relatively new and have a lot to learn. I realize respect is earned and dues have to be paid sometimes. However, there's no right or wrong to the type of flying style I have chosen. And if I'm considered a second-class citizen, then what does that say for the single-line guys or the quad guys?

I don't see where any one type of kite flying style is better than the other. They all compliment the end goal... personal expression and enjoyment.



Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Allen Carter on August 06, 2014, 09:08 AM
You and me, Trip. Second class all the way and loving every minute of it.   :D

There are all kinds of flyers on this forum, but when the conversation is about which kits to buy it naturally tends to gravitate towards kites currently on the market and enthusiastic people who own them.

As most sport kites made these days are designed to do slack line tricks, and because tricks are relatively easy to reference by name, it's easy for even a fairly inexperienced flyer to talk about these (relatively...) clearly defined maneuvers and does a kite do this or that.

The vocabulary for actually flying a kite is more limited. Many of the things that make a kite fly a certain way are hard to pin down, and because a lot of sport kite people spend little time thinking about flying there aren't as many conversations about it on forums. Flight quality is also almost impossible to capture on video, so there's another frame of reference missing.

Many modern kites fly well. Most fly somewhat differently than older kites because of design compromises that enable the amazing array of slack line tricks. I tend to prefer the flight characteristics of some older kites that are rare in newer designs. Hence most of my kites can't do a Yo-Fade or Wap Do Wap or even a backspin, but I don't miss that stuff much. About once a year I'll pull out a modern kite that's been sitting in the garage or buy a new kite to see what it's like. I get bored with most of 'em.

Second class all the way...



Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Captainbob on August 06, 2014, 09:11 AM
I'm like CaptainBob in that I don't trick much in my piloting. I haven't flown either kite. Which do you prefer?

I choose and buy my kites to trick and don't like to recommend which kite for YOU to buy. I will say this: If you're not going to trick, then you don't need a $300.00+ kite to fly ribbon tails or figure eights.  ;) Myself I think you and Capt. Bob should start tricking.  ;) It's not easy, especially on us "old guys", but it will hold your interest a lot longer than pulling tails. I would be more than happy to send you some video links of some the "trick challenges" I offered to Beginners in this forum. Before you purchase either of the kites you mentioned above, be SURE you know what you are going to do with it, even if it's because of the particular wind you encounter where you fly.   


All of us have our reasons for flying the way we do. I've tried both types of flying and feel that "pulling tails" and precision/ballet flying is more my style. I contend that kite flying is a form of individual/personal expression and relaxation. There's no right or wrong to what type of kite flying you do.

But, I have to admit, there are times I feel like a second-class citizen on here because I don't focus solely on tricking with a sport kite. And if I'm considered a second-class citizen, then what does that say for the single-line guys or the quad guys? I don't see where any one type of kite flying style is better than the other. They all compliment the end goal... personal expression and enjoyment.




I totally agree with you. Some of the videos I have enjoyed the most are of people just flying around, and making it look good and precise. I have watched videos stunt  kites , usually in a stall, , hardly flying, and just being yanked all over the sky, which did nothing for me at all.

Another thing I was made aware of, when I became interested in kiting, were the people that acted like if you didn't buy a gaggle of $300 kites, there was something wrong with your thinking process. Reminded me of the techno weenie cyclists that I knew, that claimed that if you didn't have a $2,000+ carbon fiber framed bike with all Campy equipment, you were not really a "serious cyclist". Meanwhile I was riding 5,000+ miles per year on my $1,000 recumbent bike.  So I don't pay attention to that stuff anymore, I try and do the research, watch videos, read reviews, and see what people suggest, and then I  make my buying decision. So far it has worked pretty well.  The only kites I own that I would now consider "mistakes", were the first two.  


This is one of my favorite videos  "Romancing the Wind" - Ray Bethell, 3 kites and Lakme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV6ScA9rc1E#)


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Trip on August 06, 2014, 09:43 AM
CaptainBob... that video by Ray Bethell is the single reason why I got into sport kiting. I was totally inspired by it when I first saw it earlier this year.

Allen.... It would be an honor to meet and fly with you some day. As second-class citizens, of course.  :D


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Captainbob on August 06, 2014, 02:20 PM
CaptainBob... that video by Ray Bethell is the single reason why I got into sport kiting. I was totally inspired by it when I first saw it earlier this year.

Allen.... It would be an honor to meet and fly with you some day. As second-class citizens, of course.  :D


Here is another cool video. He must have 3 brains.....

Ray Bethell and his 3 kites (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR0Ab8MiVvs#ws)


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: wagsboyz on August 06, 2014, 07:58 PM
The last thing I would consider is what someone else thinks about what I do for enjoyment.  Kite flying is an individual thing and can be enjoyed in so many different ways.

With that said, I also believe that everyone interprets written communications in their own way.  I have had the pleasure of meeting NP and a nicer guy you won't find.  I believe that his intention was not to infer that you had to trick to fly but perhaps you might want to give it a try as you were inquiring about "Tricky" type kites.  Until recently after (12 yrs) of flying I decided to try my hand at tricking so I bought what was (by research on the forum) a good trick kite.  I have been flying and having a blast not doing many tricks.  I am now having as much fun building my trick capabilities.  As mentioned in posts above I enjoy flying many different styles of kites, single line, dual line, quad line and it depends on my mood which I do.  I assure you that by the time I leave the flying field I am totally relaxed.  That is why I fly (RELAXATION).  Maybe I'm a 3rd class citizen :'(

I will also say that I have met the nicest people since I started flying and have made life long friends along the way.  The kiting community is made up of diverse individuals with a common interest (KITES)! However you do it is up to you and I for one enjoy reading and talking to fellow kiters to help open my eyes to aspects of kiting that might interest me.  I actually just started to make a kite from scratch... based on forum posts.

I would be honored to fly with any of you guys! 


Trip or Captbob, if either of you would like to try a Bluemoon Mamba as suggested above I would be willing to loan mine to see what you think..or any of my kites for that matter.  PM me if interested.
Jon

[attachment deleted by admin]


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Captainbob on August 06, 2014, 09:59 PM
I for one, wasn't implying that anyone this forum was being negative about various styles of flying, but I have seen that elsewhere on occasion.


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: wagsboyz on August 06, 2014, 11:46 PM
Sorry Captainbob my reply was really for Trip...  No one needs to feel the way he expressed he feels.   

It's all good!  I agree, I've seen things in other forums that keep me from participating in them.  I thoroughly enjoy this forum and have benefited tremendously from its members.  As interactions go, I enjoy reading your posts and think we have alot in common.

We all help each other in some way shape or form..  Or at least we should.

Which was why I offered the kite loan. 

 


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Captainbob on August 07, 2014, 04:42 AM
Sorry Captainbob my reply was really for Trip...  No one needs to feel the way he expressed he feels.   

It's all good!  I agree, I've seen things in other forums that keep me from participating in them.  I thoroughly enjoy this forum and have benefited tremendously from its members.  As interactions go, I enjoy reading your posts and think we have alot in common.

We all help each other in some way shape or form..  Or at least we should.

Which was why I offered the kite loan. 

 

I appreciate the offer, maybe at some future time, once I get the kites I already have "under control"   ;)


Title: Trick or Treat or Figure 8's ???
Post by: asburyparkjohn on August 07, 2014, 05:26 AM
Just some thoughts ... recently I went back to grass & trees for the first time in about 8 years away from the Asbury Park BEACH in this beautiful new field I recently discovered (New Overpeck Park - see Events Link here at GWTW). As I was flying in this field surrounded by trees except for the north/south sections and the trees being about 1/2 mile away on the west and east borders I did of course experienced wind fluctuations near the ground and occasional wind shifts overall. I recently EXPLODED a SUL when the wind went from 2 mph to 8 mph in about 30s. Really.
I starting thinking about 10 years ago in Liberty State Park when I first met this tribe of flyers why all were flying MINIMALLY 100 foot lines? Obviously if the wind was not PURE SE you had recovery. It also had to do with competiton requirments of both Precision and Ballet. Anyway -  I was flying 50' at Overpeck on my first visit but then went to 60' and was somewhat yearning for 75' to escape some wind shutdowns NEAR THE GROUND - rare - but they HAPPENED.
On grass - you need different tools with trees even at this distance. I also had a stiff neck after my first outing as all the smooth winds were up at a 45* angle generally & higher with bumps along the ground.
My point - in certain areas or if unable to hit a beach or an area with no buildings for miles around maybe PRECISION or NON-TRICK flying is in order. I also started telling myself as I was trying to practice on slot/taz machines at Overpeck that this is going to be VERY DIFFICULT or much harder than the BEACH. Obviously.
Practicing to me is not relaxing ... I do try once in awhile to practice new tricks and do the walk of shame rather than dead launch and screw up my kite ... but depending on your zip code, age, desire and reasons ... trick flying or figure - 8's for an hour ... just MOVE ... enjoy the sport. Personally ... hard core trick flying may not be or POSSIBLE for many flyers ... if Overpeck was ALL I HAD ... it would be PAINFUL ... I guess because I have known and felt pure East winds off the Atlantic Ocean. I will go to Overpeck now only if I see the letters N or S in the forecast and above 5 mph ... of course I am spoiled  ::) ::) ::).
Yes - you do also need the right kite to trick ... its expensive and challenging and time consuming. As a Ct. flyer once told me ... after I asked him what's the best kite on the market? His answer ... it all depends on what you want to do ...  ;) ;) ;).

APJ



Title: Re: Trick or Treat or Figure 8's ???
Post by: stapp59 on August 07, 2014, 06:24 AM
Thanks for the post, most all inland fliers can relate I'm sure.

General flying, precision, and tricks are not impossible with inland winds but you have to try harder and be patient.  A well adjusted wind efficient kite can make all the difference and the seemingly impossible is now just difficult  :D

Kite makers who live inland understand this better than most: Ken McNeill, Jon Trennepohl, and Paul Shirey to name a few. On the other hand, those wind efficient inland kites can quickly become overpowered in smooth beach winds.

One kite never fits all with changing wind conditions.  Add in flying style and pilot skill and there is room for *lots* of kites  :P

Just some thoughts ... recently I went back to grass & trees for the first time in about 8 years away from the Asbury Park BEACH in this beautiful new field I recently discovered (New Overpeck Park - see Events Link here at GWTW). As I was flying in this field surrounded by trees except for the north/south sections and the trees being about 1/2 mile away on the west and east borders I did of course experienced wind fluctuations near the ground and occasional wind shifts overall. I recently EXPLODED a SUL when the wind went from 2 mph to 8 mph in about 30s. Really.

My point - in certain areas or if unable to hit a beach or an area with no buildings for miles around maybe PRECISION or NON-TRICK flying is in order. I also started telling myself as I was trying to practice on slot/taz machines at Overpeck that this is going to be VERY DIFFICULT or much harder than the BEACH. Obviously.

Yes - you do also need the right kite to trick ... its expensive and challenging and time consuming. As a Ct. flyer once told me ... after I asked him what's the best kite on the market? His answer ... it all depends on what you want to do ...  ;) ;) ;).

APJ


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Trip on August 07, 2014, 07:02 AM
I hold no hard feelings against anyone, especially on this board. If I needed some straps, I'd take a look at np first. Maybe I just caught him on a bad day. At any rate, it's all good with me. Kite life is too short. I would be honored to fly with any of you guys anywhere. I hope to be able to shake your hands and meet you someday.

I did take notice and read your suggestion about the BMK Mamba, Stapp59. I'll certainly take a look. Sounds like it would be perfect for the type of winds I get here in eastern Texas. Since it's not made anymore it will probably get more expensive as time goes on. Maybe in another year I can afford one.

Which brings me to Wagsboyz Mamba loan offer. I took a double take on that post. I guess I've never had anyone willing to loan their kite. I'd love to take you up on it. However, winds around here right now are slow to say the least. Can I take a raincheck on that for September or October? I think it's cool you're willing to do that.


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Allen Carter on August 07, 2014, 09:04 AM
Since it's not made anymore it will probably get more expensive as time goes on.

That sometimes happens with rare kites or kites that have some mystical aura of popularity (Prism Vapor), but a kite like the Mamba was made in relatively large numbers and isn't in high demand. Because they are very good kites and very well made, they haven't plummeted in value like some lesser kites, but they're not likely to become fetish objects like the Vapor and demand ever higher prices.


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: wagsboyz on August 07, 2014, 05:32 PM
Which brings me to Wagsboyz Mamba loan offer. I took a double take on that post. I guess I've never had anyone willing to loan their kite. I'd love to take you up on it. However, winds around here right now are slow to say the least. Can I take a raincheck on that for September or October? I think it's cool you're willing to do that.

Just PM me when your ready.  It's all good!


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: thief on August 07, 2014, 06:21 PM
Since it's not made anymore it will probably get more expensive as time goes on.

That sometimes happens with rare kites or kites that have some mystical aura of popularity (Prism Vapor), but a kite like the Mamba was made in relatively large numbers and isn't in high demand. Because they are very good kites and very well made, they haven't plummeted in value like some lesser kites, but they're not likely to become fetish objects like the Vapor and demand ever higher prices.

Allen what would you pay for an AzizA now.... Or a pristine Betancourt?
:)


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: stapp59 on August 07, 2014, 06:32 PM
You big tease thief!  For penance, send those kites to me for extensive testing.  8)

Since it's not made anymore it will probably get more expensive as time goes on.

That sometimes happens with rare kites or kites that have some mystical aura of popularity (Prism Vapor), but a kite like the Mamba was made in relatively large numbers and isn't in high demand. Because they are very good kites and very well made, they haven't plummeted in value like some lesser kites, but they're not likely to become fetish objects like the Vapor and demand ever higher prices.

Allen what would you pay for an AzizA now.... Or a pristine Betancourt?
:)


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: thief on August 07, 2014, 06:47 PM
You big tease thief!  For penance, send those kites to me for extensive testing.  8)

Since it's not made anymore it will probably get more expensive as time goes on.

That sometimes happens with rare kites or kites that have some mystical aura of popularity (Prism Vapor), but a kite like the Mamba was made in relatively large numbers and isn't in high demand. Because they are very good kites and very well made, they haven't plummeted in value like some lesser kites, but they're not likely to become fetish objects like the Vapor and demand ever higher prices.

Allen what would you pay for an AzizA now.... Or a pristine Betancourt?
:)

Sorry Allen has my loaner AzizA but a nice Betancourt or two


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Allen Carter on August 08, 2014, 12:03 PM

Allen what would you pay for an AzizA now.... Or a pristine Betancourt?
:)

Well, AzizA's are rare, at least on this side of the pond. But there is no demand to drive up the price.

Prices on Betancourt kites bottomed out a few years ago. No demand. The collector status waned as everyone who wanted nice ones has them. There is very little demand from actual flyers because PBSKs are so far removed from how most people like kites to behave. Nowadays nice PBSKs go unsold for months until the right sucker buyer comes along.

I'm often the "buyer", but I haven't paid a lot for a PBSK in many years.


Title: Re: Skyburner Freestylist UL Pilots
Post by: Trip on August 08, 2014, 01:22 PM
A man can learn a lot on this forum.   ;)