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Title: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: kiter on July 18, 2009, 06:17 PM
i saw prism are coming out with some new quality lines supposvely soon called " modulus ".


when will they be out ?

will these lines be up there with the best as far as slickness and quality,very little drag as the rest of the best lines on market ?

has any one seen reviews or may be tried these yet ?

thank you.


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: King-J on July 18, 2009, 06:35 PM
Kiter,
Steve has some available,
Hey Steve when might we expect some 90#x 75' Lines
Been putting off an order on some other things awaiting the line so that it is better for you on shipping.
I hope soon before I end up spending the money I have been making on bills :(


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: Lee S on July 18, 2009, 07:25 PM
Guys,

It's ummmmm....string. Kinda long and stringy. Personally, I don't care for the idea of different color right and left lines, but I guess some do.  I've flown, over the years, in no particular order : braided dacron, braided kevlar, braided spectra blend, kevlar cored polyester (skybond) and Shanti, Berry Blue, Laser Pro, as well as some Euro-dyneema, and many types of no-name spectra. Conclusion?  Any type of hi-mod spectra type line will do just fine for most single flyer sport use. Comps, multi-line, maybe you need special.

Don't get me wrong, Prism makes a fine product, I'm sure, but I wouldn't spend all my kitebucks on linesets. If I were you, I'd be all over the deal Steve has on the remaining stock of Prism linesets. Plenty nice. Me, I usually buy bulk and roll my own 8)

Lee


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: zippy8 on July 19, 2009, 02:06 AM
Prism makes a fine product

Allow me to make one small correction here: Prism has a fine product made for them by Laser Pro. (http://gwtw-kites.typepad.com/news/2009/01/prism-modulus-line-by-laser-pro.html)

So yes, they'll be good 'cos they are rebranded Laser Pro. Nothing wrong with that.

(http://www.elisanet.fi/mike.emery/kites/ModulusByLaserPro.jpg)

Mike.


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: kiter on July 20, 2009, 04:39 AM
thanks for the clarification.


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: John Welden on July 20, 2009, 05:55 AM
Prism makes a fine product

Allow me to make one small correction here: Prism has a fine product made for them by Laser Pro. ([url]http://gwtw-kites.typepad.com/news/2009/01/prism-modulus-line-by-laser-pro.html[/url])

So yes, they'll be good 'cos they are rebranded Laser Pro. Nothing wrong with that.

Mike.



Actually, they're a new weave that is thiner and stronger. They come pre stretched so both lines will be exactly the same length out of the box and stay that way.  I helped build the line stretching machine so I should know.

These lines aren't the same laser pro we had before. They are way more responsive.


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: DWayne on July 20, 2009, 06:02 AM
Actually, they're a new weave that is thiner and stronger.

And that is the company line.  :D

Denny


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: Andy S on July 20, 2009, 08:24 AM
These lines aren't the same laser pro we had before. They are way more responsive.

Can you quantify this please? I always used to hate that lag from the old LP.

Also, does this line work on any kites, or just Prisms?


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: JimB on July 20, 2009, 08:37 AM
I'm sure it is fine line.

Wish they hadn't of dyed it though.



Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: John Welden on July 20, 2009, 09:52 AM
I'm sure it is fine line.



My guess is that normal kite kiters will like it. Red for right, they like it that way.

I'd bet even a hack like Denny would notice a better feel with the new lines.

It's too bad people don't appreciate how much work goes into these sorts of things.  Regardless of the line being better, the pre stretching is great.  Not as easy to do as it sounds.


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: Allen Carter on July 20, 2009, 11:06 AM
Yup, pre-stretch is key. A proper stretch is one of the reasons I like to make my own lines.

If gearheads like John & Mark designed a good line stretching system, the linesets should be pretty stable.



Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: zippy8 on July 20, 2009, 11:44 AM
I won't be buying them unless they release a set with a red coloured left-hand line. Presumably that will require retooling.

Mike.


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: sbrown on July 20, 2009, 11:47 AM
Ah, the Latest Line to Save the World!
 ???


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: John Welden on July 20, 2009, 12:05 PM
The most hilarious group on this forum has got to be the bitter at Prism people.


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: Steve Hall on July 20, 2009, 01:18 PM
This is really pretty simple.  The line is manufactured by Laser Pro.  As mentioned Prism added a bit of special sauce but the bottom line is if you like Laser Pro Gold you'll like this line.  If not you probably won't. 

I have a few hours on a set of 90/75's and in my hands it seems pretty much identical to LPG.

It is quality line made to very high standards.

Feel free to further discuss this but isn't it a bit Ford vs. Chevy?  Or I only like my cars in THIS color?


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: JimB on July 20, 2009, 01:37 PM
Or micro surgery..  ???

I won't be buying them unless they release a set with a red coloured left-hand line. Presumably that will require retooling.

Mike.


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: Steve Hall on July 20, 2009, 01:42 PM
Or ...
You could always decide for yourself ... I will have just about everything in stock in the next day or two.
http://www.chicokites.com/store/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=9 (http://www.chicokites.com/store/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=9)
Lowest advertised prices authorized by Prism and free US shipping (okay, so on the 50/75's you'll have to pad your order by $2.50 to get free shipping)


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: mikenchico on July 20, 2009, 01:48 PM
And if you don't like the two different colors of line really just buy (http://www.chicokites.com/store/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=9) TWO sets, then you'll have a red set and a blue set. Easy to color co-ordinate with your kite, your outfit or your mood.

 :D


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: chilese on July 20, 2009, 01:57 PM
Chevy has always made better kite line. Everyone knows that.  8)


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: Jared on July 20, 2009, 04:16 PM
I've spent the last 2-3 weeks flying the 90#x75' Modulus lines exclusively.

  • Definitely thinner diameter.  Comparable to non Modulus 50# lines.  But strong enough to handle 15+mph winds without snapping.
  • The red and blue color are equally difficult to see.  I fly on grass fields pretty much all the time.  I cannot see the red line in the grass at all.  I can't see the blue line in the sky at all.  Getting the lines untwisted in flight is insanely difficult.
  • These are the only lines I've ever owned that I didn't have to equalize the lengths.  But I'm not sure about mike's plan to buy two sets and match the colors, because I don't know if the sets are equalized to one another, or across the entire line.
  • Looking at it, the 90# looks like waxed dental floss.  If there's a weave, I can't see it, because it looks so damn smooth.
  • The kite-end sleeving reminds me of what Premier uses on it's linesets, and has small, Modulus-based tabs for loosening the lark's head knot.  Frankly, I liked last year's stitched sleeving, with the black tab better.
  • Winder is included, but straps are not.


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: Kantaxel on July 20, 2009, 04:30 PM
I won't be buying them unless they release a set with a red coloured left-hand line. Presumably that will require retooling.

Mike.

Yes, ..........and that retooling expense passed on to the consumer, would mean that the price hike would far exceed the advantage of having prestretched LPG.

Oh, the horrors.....should I? shouldn't I? 


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: John Welden on July 20, 2009, 05:19 PM
I won't be buying them unless they release a set with a red coloured left-hand line. Presumably that will require retooling.

Mike.

Yes, ..........and that retooling expense passed on to the consumer, would mean that the price hike would far exceed the advantage of having prestretched LPG.

Oh, the horrors.....should I? shouldn't I? 

It's not your run of the mill LPG.  It's different line all together.  Read Jared's post.


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: Lee S on July 20, 2009, 06:59 PM
Evolutionary? Perhaps. Revolutionary?  I remain unconvinced. I suppose I'll buy a set some day.......

J.W., you said you help design the stretching machine.  Are these lines manufactured and/or set up here?   They seem priced like an overseas product.

funny, the description of either line set reads the same. I doubt the average kite buyer will improve in flying skill. It's string.


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: Jared on July 20, 2009, 07:08 PM
One of the funny things about these lines, from what I understand, they're made here in the US, then shipped to China for ... something.  Winding & Packaging, I think.  Then they're shipped back to the US, or anywhere else they're being sold.


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: EnergonCube on July 20, 2009, 07:22 PM
One of the funny things about these lines, from what I understand, they're made here in the US, then shipped to China for ... something.  Winding & Packaging, I think.  Then they're shipped back to the US, or anywhere else they're being sold.


Woo-hoo for killing the planet one line-set at a time.  :o


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: Kantaxel on July 20, 2009, 07:30 PM
Oh, the horrors.....should I? shouldn't I? 

It's not your run of the mill LPG.  It's different line all together.  Read Jared's post.
[/quote]
Okay, Okay................ :'(

John,

Due to your superb salesmanship and knowing that you were personally involved  8)

I have decided to give a set the acid test, since you are garuanteeing I can get wrapped 540's on a Micron ten stack without tails...right?  :-\

Well, if not me............... you, anyway ;D

Steve, Pm sent :o

Jim

PS:  I just had a monumetal brain f**t!  I could always redye the lines so I could have the red one on the left side,  .....right? ??? 8)


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: zippy8 on July 20, 2009, 07:56 PM
I have a few hours on a set of 90/75's and in my hands it seems pretty much identical to LPG.

That will do for me then. Any tips for removing the wholly unnecessary snake oil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil_%28cryptography%29) ?

Mike.


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: Steve Hall on July 20, 2009, 08:04 PM
Just pulled out a set of LPG 90's to compare side by side ... I stand by my earlier comments.  Same apparent braid, same diameter.  Only difference I could see was the color.  So ... for the last time ... if you like LPG you will like this line ... if not, proceed at your own risk.

Oh ... and thanks for all the orders!  :)


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: Kantaxel on July 20, 2009, 08:12 PM
Just pulled out a set of LPG 90's to compare side by side ... I stand by my earlier comments.  Same apparent braid, same diameter.  Only difference I could see was the color.  So ... for the last time ... if you like LPG you will like this line ... if not, proceed at your own risk.

Oh ... and thanks for all the orders!  :)

See?  I knew it would work..............you are Billy May's  ???  heir apparent  ;)


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: DD on July 21, 2009, 07:32 AM
my pusher hooked me on shanti and now wants me to change? :'(


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: sbrown on July 21, 2009, 07:56 AM
How accurate is the line length?
Is the 120' line really 120'?
/thinking about a quad set :-\


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: Gamelord on July 21, 2009, 03:14 PM
Prism Modulus line is only available in dual line sets.  To make a quad you would need to purchase two sets - and I don't know how accurate in length one set would be to the other - although they would be perfectly matched to each other.  You could probably use one set on the tops and the other on the bottoms, that way any difference between the two sets (if any) wouldn't really matter that much and could be adjusted with the handle leaders.


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: Blownfuse on August 23, 2009, 11:21 AM
Just wondering..... Anybody else tried out these lines yet ? Had kind of decided to get a set, but couldīnt find them stocked anywhere in Europe. :'( So instead ordered a set of Climax ProTec and one of Climax Profi-Line. 8)

But one canīt help wondering..... ;)


Ohh !  What a cool feature. Just noticed, that I am actually getting warned, that this is an old thread, and I should consider making a new thread. Oops ! Well, Iīll take my chances, and re-open this thread. Really donīt think theres valid reason to contaminate the forum, with a whole new thread, just because Iīm curious. Hope itīs okay, guys and gals.
 ???


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: Steve Hall on August 23, 2009, 12:00 PM
I've found the Modulus line to be very similar to the Laser Pro Gold.  If You like LP Gold you will like the Modulus.
FYI ... shipping to Denmark for one set would run $8.00.


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: steve.hobart on August 24, 2009, 04:03 AM
I've found that they are not as "slippery" when twisted around each other as ordinary spectra - which has taken me a little getting used to... :o

cheers

steve


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: RobB on August 24, 2009, 04:39 AM
Hey SteveH...

Not as slippery ? That's a surprise. I really like the LPG linesets that I got recently. The one problem I have it not being able to tell which direction to unwind them once they get a number of twists in them. You can put another 5 wraps in them, and not be able to tell if they're tighter or looser. I must have had 20-30 wraps in my 90# set yesterday, and they still weren't binding to badly. I can only get 10-15 wraps in my regular Prism linesets before I can feel binding.

~Rob.


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: steve.hobart on August 25, 2009, 03:20 AM
Maybe I just need to spend some more time on them Rob...

Steve :)


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: Blownfuse on August 25, 2009, 11:47 AM
Hmm.... It seems to be quite a lot of "pro et contra", about these Modulus-strings.... Guess one has to try them, to find out. What works for one person, doesīnt for another. But so it is with most things I guess....
 :-\

But, I donīt see anybody saying "Theyīre horrible, donīt get near `em !", so maybe I should try the out. Iīm not an experienced kiter, yet, so hasīnt a whole lot to compare with, and haveīnt tried LPG. Most flying time on the Dyneema set, that came with my Wolkenstürmer, but has just taken delivery of a Climax Protec, and a Climax Profiline set. Iīll give em a "spin", and see how they work out.
 8)

But thanks for your input, guys, always nice to hear others "hands-on-experience" with stuff.
 :)


Title: Re: new prism modulus lines out soon.
Post by: streamhawk on August 25, 2009, 11:56 AM
I've had a set of these for about a month, a 90# x 75' set, just got the chance to try them last weekend. I really like them alot, they seem a bit thinner and a bit more coated than regular LPG, otherwise, they are about the same. They were dead even in length to each other, and don't bind up that much to me, I mean, how many wraps do you actually put in your lines? Shanti seems a bit slicker to me, especially with wraps, but I like the feedback and instant reponse you get with LPG.  If you like LPG, then you'll love them.