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Title: Line tool?
Post by: Flyer on April 25, 2018, 05:53 AM
Hello all,

I just found this and it looks like a great option for attaching to line:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/davidburrell/quickit-the-best-cord-tool-yet (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/davidburrell/quickit-the-best-cord-tool-yet)

I struggle with the carabiners sometimes, and this look like a smart alternative, if it would hold.  Or quick set and release option for anchoring?


Title: Re: Line tool?
Post by: thief on April 25, 2018, 09:16 AM
how would you use it? What purpose?


Title: Re: Line tool?
Post by: makatakam on April 25, 2018, 10:19 AM
You can do some interesting things with two links of 3/8" chain that are still hooked together and will cost you about $1 at the local Home Depot.


Title: Re: Line tool?
Post by: Flyer on April 25, 2018, 11:39 AM
thief: I struggle with the ground anchor sometimes on my lifter, difficult to "undo" my tie up.  Just thought it might be easier for that.  I'm new - probably just need to learn to do it right.

makatakam:  good idea!  I'll have to try with that first.


Title: Re: Line tool?
Post by: thief on April 25, 2018, 06:41 PM
flyer what sort of issues do you have? what size kite? what size line?

Personally I rarely use metal connections on kite lines. I like to use rope and webbing tie downs to a hard anchor or sand anchor. Then to bring the kite down I walk it down (hand over hand or sliding a carabiner down the line) and untie the line to the anchor when it is slack.




Title: Re: Line tool?
Post by: tcope on April 25, 2018, 07:32 PM
This type of device already exists in many different forms.

Want to use something exactly like this.... simply use a large wooden winder such as one of these:

http://phantomstarkites.com/web_pages/product_pages/line_and_winders/traveler/traveler_main.htm (http://phantomstarkites.com/web_pages/product_pages/line_and_winders/traveler/traveler_main.htm)

Loop the kite line through the handle of the winder and then into the anchor. Many different ways of doing this.


Title: Re: Line tool?
Post by: Flyer on April 26, 2018, 06:11 AM
thief: thanks for offering to help. I've got a lifter from Gomberg and the D ring from him also.  I can attach line laundry, but for the initial anchoring from the line to the D ring and ground anchor, I often get the line all tied up.  I can get the kite up and down (walking, as you say), but spend a lot of time trying to untie the mess at the end.  Any suggestions?


Title: Re: Line tool?
Post by: goestoeleven on April 26, 2018, 09:54 AM
OK, I'm not a large kite expert, but when I fly larger single line kites, I'll usually attach a loop of climbing webbing to a ground stake (or two for backup/safety), and then either attach the line onto a (heavy duty mountain climbing) carabiner, or I lark's head knot the line below the knot on the climbing webbing I used to create the loop.  The climbing webbing is very strong, cheap, and you can buy it by the foot from REI (where I also got the carabiners).  Once the tension is off the line, the loops will just slide off the carabiner (or if you are using a larks head or prussic, it will just undo itself once it's off the biner).


Title: Re: Line tool?
Post by: indigo_wolf on April 26, 2018, 11:44 AM

I just found this and it looks like a great option for attaching to line:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/davidburrell/quickit-the-best-cord-tool-yet (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/davidburrell/quickit-the-best-cord-tool-yet)


From the Kickstarter page:

"*** NOTICE *** The QuickIT (TM) is not designed nor intended to support human weight. It must NOT be used as a life saving device, fall protection or in any manner where failure could cause property damage, injury or loss of life."

(https://creativeinfrastructure.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/dangerwillrobinson-1.jpg)


If it can't support human weight, anchoring a larger single line kite seems like an getting in the express line to be on the 6 o'clock news.

Webbing, Carabiners and other bits and pieces borrowed from the climbing world are considerably heartier stuff.

Rob's suggestion of webbing and rope is probably the simplest route.  Otherwise, go back to the Gomberg site and look at the Anchor Straps or Figure 8 Rings.

ATB,
Sam



Title: Re: Line tool?
Post by: Hal on June 01, 2018, 06:10 AM
Start with one of Gomberg's anchor straps then use his "Spanish Knot" to attach your line.  Dave has a page on his website on how to tie it.  Simple, strong and easy to undo.  Have used it with my Powerfoil 81 with no problems.