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Title: Totl
Post by: breezin on June 09, 2018, 10:08 AM
Got this kite yesterday. Belonged to a guy from Seattle named John Keiter who has passed on. Needs upper spreader and a nock. Bridle and bungees look to be in good shape. Doesn't have stand offs and I don't  see pockets for them. On lower spreader there are tubes at LE that I don't understand. I don't understand the  tubing along the bridle either. I'm no expert but kite looks to be a 9 out of 10 at least.


Title: Re: Totl
Post by: breezin on June 09, 2018, 10:13 AM
Some more.


Title: Re: Totl
Post by: breezin on June 09, 2018, 10:18 AM
Nice nose.


Title: Re: Totl
Post by: Biggin on June 09, 2018, 05:40 PM
Hey Breezin, Nice TOTL Team Hawaiian Chevron (C-15).
The vinyl tubes on the lower spreaders need to be moved back to approx. center.

Now there should be vinyl tubes just above the nocks on the battens.
 the bungees should wrap around the vinyl tubes first then though the sail
out through the back side then on to the nocks.
now you can insert a 18' long stand offs into the vinyl tubes. Got it!!
Biggin.


Title: Re: Totl
Post by: Biggin on June 09, 2018, 05:49 PM
Breezin, just in case you need top spreader length is 22'
Biggin.


Title: Re: Totl
Post by: skb on June 09, 2018, 05:52 PM
not my kite, but here's a pic of a Hawaiian Team with stand-offs:
(https://i.imgur.com/0Yg3JM3m.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/0Yg3JM3.jpg)
clickable thumbnailô


Title: Re: Totl
Post by: Biggin on June 09, 2018, 05:57 PM
Sorry that's inches not feet.
Wow that would be one WIDE kite!
Biggin.


Title: Re: Totl
Post by: midibot on June 09, 2018, 07:07 PM
Thief has generously given us access to some manuals and instructions and you will see on the link below that for the TOTL Hawaiian Team Kite in .pdf form.  It may be of assistance in learning the parts of your kite -- believe it also makes passing reference to the Wisker kit (standoffs today).

edit: There are some useful diagrams of the bridle attachments etc. in that manual.

You will have a hoot with this kite!

The link:

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bz8LtJ0px1M9NWFiYTZhNTktOTE5MS00YTIyLWFlM2YtNTNiNGI1NTQxYzk5

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Title: Re: Totl
Post by: breezin on June 10, 2018, 11:19 AM
Thanks for the info. Really stoked to have gotten this kite. The last couple months I've started to calm down. Starting to appreciate the need and joy of precision flying. Between this and the Pro Dancer I should develop some pretty good precision skills. When I can multi lazy then go straight into a comete' on those 2 kites I know I'll have arrived  ???. Decades of failures to come LOL. Going to ITW tomorrow or Tuesday. Hopefully get parts and some more knowledge. My Hydra is still my most flown kite. Bang the hell out of that thing. Put my last spare spreader on couple days a go and need some more tubes. Lost a wing tip batten that needs sewn back in. Wore the TE in a few spots and leach line is exposed. Need to see how they repair and then reinforce the weak spots first hand. Was told about them before I got the kite but my reinforcement attempts failed. Looked good but still. Going to get a 200 lb line set for the Totl, 25 mph plus on the Mind Trick vented and for the speed kite I'll build. 120' should be perfect. Got 100' x 150 lb so that should be good enough in less then 15. If I can get the Hydra fixed up and the Totl ready to fly it will be a good trip. IF I come home WITHOUT a Kymera it will be a excellent trip. Last couple days been feeling a tremendous need for a Fearless II  :-\.


Title: Re: Totl
Post by: midibot on June 10, 2018, 12:16 PM
[...] Doesn't have stand offs and I don't  see pockets for them. On lower spreader there are tubes at LE that I don't understand.[...]

Hey Breezin, Nice TOTL Team Hawaiian Chevron (C-15).
The vinyl tubes on the lower spreaders need to be moved back to approx. center.

Now there should be vinyl tubes just above the nocks on the battens.
 the bungees should wrap around the vinyl tubes first then though the sail
out through the back side then on to the nocks.
now you can insert a 18' long stand offs into the vinyl tubes. Got it!!
Biggin.

Here's a pic, below, I just snapped of the "Wisker" or standoff on one of my Hawaiians, which should give you an idea of the setup. (1000 words, etc.)

The dimensions of mine reinforce Biggin:

18 inches of ~.125ish solid white fibreglass rod, with red vinyl end caps. My calipers show closer to .130 but dunno if that is widely available whereas .125 (or 1/8 inch) is.  Your ITW has the .125 in stock according to its website.

One each side.

Mine had a small bit of line attached to the wisker and tied to the batten bungies, barely visible in the photo here. Loss prevention, presumably (!!).

Have fun!

(https://i.imgur.com/hp0YwcC.jpg?1)
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Title: Re: Totl
Post by: breezin on June 11, 2018, 07:24 AM
The vinyl tubing on bottom center bridle still doesn't make sense to me. No mention of it in instructions. No pics on other kites. Maybe a add on for stacking? Line is different also. 3 grand daughters showed up yesterday.5, 8 and 10. Don't think I want to do a 5 hour road trip to Boulder with them LOL. Winds were 25 to 30 this morning but should be going lower throughout the day. They're getting the bug. Wanted to fly when they got here and 1st thing this morning. Snapshot 1.4 time  :).


Title: Re: Totl
Post by: midibot on June 11, 2018, 06:01 PM
The vinyl tubing on bottom center bridle still doesn't make sense to me. No mention of it in instructions. No pics on other kites. Maybe a add on for stacking? Line is different also. 3 grand daughters showed up yesterday.5, 8 and 10. Don't think I want to do a 5 hour road trip to Boulder with them LOL. Winds were 25 to 30 this morning but should be going lower throughout the day. They're getting the bug. Wanted to fly when they got here and 1st thing this morning. Snapshot 1.4 time  :).

Consider putting up a pic or 2 of the parts that concern you. Perhaps someone will have an idea or suggestion.

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Title: Re: Totl
Post by: 2nd Wind on June 11, 2018, 07:52 PM
Here's a sketch of that lower vinyl setup. Hope this helps.....

(https://i.imgur.com/Z2OGvIj.jpg?1)


Title: Re: Totl
Post by: coop on June 12, 2018, 06:26 AM
Looks like that where the "whisker" end would go. not sure why its tucked up behind the shock cord.


Title: Re: Totl
Post by: Charles G on June 12, 2018, 06:39 AM
.... not sure why its tucked up behind the shock cord.

Thatís the way itís supposed to be set up.


Title: Re: Totl
Post by: sews a lot on June 12, 2018, 08:57 AM
The sketch is close.  Pass both bungie ends through the holes from the back of the sail and make an overhand knot.  Knot will be on the front of the kite. Put the vinyl tubing under the knot,  then slide the whiskers in the tubing.  Easier to explain with a photo,  but I need to figure out photobucket (again ugh).  Michael.


Title: Re: Totl
Post by: coop on June 12, 2018, 11:21 AM
Interesting, all these years my whiskers have been wrong.


Title: Re: Totl
Post by: sews a lot on June 12, 2018, 12:00 PM
Hi Coop,  And I would almost bet that once in a while a little birdie would say that they were just not right. Michael.


Title: Re: Totl
Post by: breezin on June 12, 2018, 06:59 PM
Went to ITW today. Paul gave it a checkup and got me the stand offs and US.Bridle and bungees all good. () This was attached at the swivels and confusing me. Paul didn't know what it was for either. Not stock so it's removed. Don't think I'll get to fly it till Thursday. Gonna be fun.


Title: Re: Totl
Post by: breezin on July 29, 2018, 07:09 AM
So cool I got another one. This ones sail is going to take some skills to restore that I don't have yet.I'll get there. Missing 1 whisker and 1 LE is broke. Going to re frame in P 300 and modernize the connectors I think. Got spare parts now to keep my other original. Got the original line set with some much needed padded straps to boot. Bonus was a old Dwyer wind meter.()