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Title: 2pt landing
Post by: tommymcmillan on September 23, 2009, 08:20 PM
How is the 2 point landing done and where in the wind window should it/can it be done?


Title: Re: 2pt landing
Post by: ko on September 23, 2009, 10:17 PM
best explanation i have read is that it is a 1/2 axle at the bottom of a dive. best to practice off the ground a bit>> http://www.youtube.com/user/DPmama74#play/uploads/29/9Upiew4OxpQ (http://www.youtube.com/user/DPmama74#play/uploads/29/9Upiew4OxpQ) maybe the original author will chime in he is great at breaking down tricks hope this helps KO


Title: Re: 2pt landing
Post by: tpatter on September 23, 2009, 11:04 PM
May you have better luck at getting this one down than I have - I am  finally getting it, but it has taken a long time.

I'd first work on getting the half-axel and snap-lazy down pat if you don't have them already.

Easiest 2-pt is just straight down and then half-axel to the ground.

The sideways one is harder - I can't do that one yet.


Title: Re: 2pt landing
Post by: Will Sturdy on September 24, 2009, 08:06 AM
The sideways one is just a rolling susan type input from which you pull out before it gets all the way into the turtle.


Title: Re: 2pt landing
Post by: RonG on September 24, 2009, 08:11 AM
How is the 2 point landing done and where in the wind window should it/can it be done?

It can be done anywhere in the window.  And it's one of a few tricks that gets better as the wind increases.


Title: Re: 2pt landing
Post by: glider on September 24, 2009, 08:53 AM
Check out Reid Wolcott at Summer Heat 2009 on youtube for some 2pt landings anywhere in the window.  The music has been pulled so you don't get the feel for the 'punch' these landing give to the routine.  After Reid's performance, I heard several people talk about going out and practicing nothing but landings.  Sounds like a plan.  After 3 years at this, I still struggle with getting kite on the ground (in a controlled fashion) ;-)

Dave


Title: Re: 2pt landing
Post by: mdilucca on September 24, 2009, 09:01 AM
Yeap, aggree with you Dave.  Reid blew me away with his landings at WSIKF too!!! Anywhere in the window and whenever he want it according to the music, WOW indeed!!

Cheers
Mario


Title: Re: 2pt landing
Post by: tpatter on September 24, 2009, 09:38 AM
Enjoy, to music - Reid Wolcott Dual Line Ballet at Summer Heat 1st Place (http://www.vimeo.com/6660845)

The first time I ran into Reid it was by accident at my flying field.  Wind was in the high teens and he was aggressively putting it down all over the window - pretty amazing to watch.


Title: Re: 2pt landing
Post by: DWayne on September 24, 2009, 10:29 AM
How is the 2 point landing done and where in the wind window should it/can it be done?

It can be done anywhere in the window.  And it's one of a few tricks that gets better as the wind increases.

Better..... or more dramatic?  :o


Denny


Title: Re: 2pt landing
Post by: RonG on September 24, 2009, 11:58 AM
Better..... or more dramatic?  :o

Better, more dramatic, and easier IMO once you have the technique down.  Higher wind=more momentum, which makes the kite plant more forcefully (which is a good thing), particularly if you're approaching from a downward angle.

Few things are as basic, useful, and attention-getting as a powerful snap 2-point landing.


Title: Re: 2pt landing
Post by: ko on September 24, 2009, 05:02 PM
at about 1:32 he does a quick spin to 2 pt i find this to be the easiest method to plant my kite the spin de-powers the kite a bit not as dramatic but not as expensive either


Title: Re: 2pt landing
Post by: RonG on September 24, 2009, 06:43 PM
at about 1:32 he does a quick spin to 2 pt i find this to be the easiest method to plant my kite the spin de-powers the kite a bit not as dramatic but not as expensive either

A snap 2 point landing is not expensive.  You learn it in light winds and then can appreciate it in stronger winds.

No point in babying a kite.


Title: Re: 2pt landing
Post by: SMG on September 24, 2009, 07:04 PM
dang that is cool.

I need to learn that one soon. I always have problems getting the kite to land. On the other hand, I am getting better at ground recovery, but that probably makes sense.

BTW, what music was that, it was pretty cool.

Cheers,
Sean


Title: Re: 2pt landing
Post by: RobB on September 24, 2009, 07:26 PM
at about 1:32 he does a quick spin to 2 pt i find this to be the easiest method to plant my kite the spin de-powers the kite a bit not as dramatic but not as expensive either

A snap 2 point landing is not expensive.  You learn it in light winds and then can appreciate it in stronger winds.

No point in babying a kite. :D


Title: Re: 2pt landing
Post by: ko on September 24, 2009, 09:27 PM
i guess this calls for a duel! choose your weapon generally i would use the fearless but for this i choose THE EXILE  ON  GUARD


Title: Re: 2pt landing
Post by: tpatter on September 24, 2009, 10:31 PM
aha - VF14 is right around the corner! 


Title: Re: 2pt landing
Post by: lasapcheong on September 24, 2009, 11:12 PM
In my experience of a few kites I've flown, kites that go deep and hang around in a turtle (e.g. Cosmic, Organic, R-Sky Next) are a little bit more difficult to do a proper snappy looking 2 point landing. The window of opportunity to pull out of a Turtle is a little bit harder since if you don't pull out of the turtle into the landing before it goes too deep it'll just pause and float around in a turtle near the ground. Kites that go super deep in a turtle and do lifters are the worst of the bunch.

Conversely, kites that do 2 point landings pretty well would be kites that can drop on their backs pretty effectively and efficient but not get stucked in a turtle at any point in time. Nirvana, Widow Maker, are some examples.

-Darryl


Title: Re: 2pt landing
Post by: tpatter on September 25, 2009, 01:26 PM
Here's a potential tip - I was just out for an hour or so and I am finally doing these much better than I have in the past.

I can do them as what I would call a straight-down half-axel, but they just don't hit the ground with conviction.

When I started thinking of doing them as a straight-down snap-lazy, it just works much better.  I think  the main difference is that I am  not doing any sort of setup (top wing back a bit) like I often do with the half-axel. I just pop one while slacking the other and then pull the slacked hand back all in a flash.

Hope this helps, it helped me.

Also, thanks for the tip Will, I also managed to starting getting a feeling for the sideways 2 pt.



Title: Re: 2pt landing
Post by: JimB on September 25, 2009, 09:39 PM
An alternative to the pull/slack/slack method:

Pull/Pull - Pull one line to turn the kite up when near the ground, then pull the other to drive the the tip into the ground, slack when needed either by stepping forward or just throwing some slack.

This method helps to keep the kite from landing on its back.

The more I think, about this one, the more it seems to be Pull/Pull/Pull with maybe some slack to keep the kite from taking off again.

Pull to turn the kite up. Pull to drive the opposite tip into the ground. Pull to bring the tip, on the side you initially turned, into contact with the ground.

If you do it just right the kite just slams down and sticks.

If you do it wrong, it bounces, or doesn't land exactly on both tips at the same time.. or whatever else can go wrong.


Title: Re: 2pt landing
Post by: Steve Hall on September 25, 2009, 09:50 PM
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This method helps to keep the kite from landing on its back
Which is very cool also.


Title: Re: 2pt landing
Post by: JimB on September 25, 2009, 11:23 PM
But not if you are competing in TP...  ::)