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Title: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: rxburner on October 22, 2009, 02:10 PM
Last winter I bought a new laptop PC. I was not that interested in Vista so I had it loaded with XP Home Edition, thinking I would wait for Windows 7. Now it looks like Windows 7 is not an upgrade option but a clean install, and Windows Upgrade Advisor says that Aero will not be supported by my graphics adaptor and that I will also have driver issues with some of my other hardware.
Any advise? I would like to upgrade to a 64 Bit system to take full advantage of my RAM. If the verdict is no, for Windows 7, what are my XP 64 Bit options.
Thanks
Rx


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: kiteking on October 22, 2009, 03:49 PM
I would hurry and get Windows 7 before they add all the updates and patches to make it run correctly!!!


Here are some links that might help:

Upgrading (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/microsoft/6400138/Ask-Rick-Upgrading-from-Windows-XP-to-Windows-7.html) from Windows XP to Windows 7


Windows 7 upgrade (http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Software/10145.html) path explained


How (http://www.nirmaltv.com/2009/08/06/how-to-upgrade-windows-xp-to-windows-7/) to Upgrade Windows XP to Windows 7


Upgrading  (http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/02/upgrading-to-windows-7-what-xp-and-vista-users-need-to-know.ars)to Windows 7: what XP and Vista users need to know


Windows XP Professional x64 (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/default.mspx) Edition


Good luck, I personally am going to wait till Xmas time when laptops w/Win7 will be running around $500. and save to $150- $200 to upgrade.




Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: Allen Carter on October 22, 2009, 07:57 PM
If you weren't that interested in Vista, why Windows 7? It's the same beast in different clothes.

Is there something wrong with XP? I mean, really. There are very few real world reasons to upgrade right now. In the future, sure, we will all be running 7 or 8 or whatever, but right now, it's an XP world we're in, why go to the trouble of running a new OS? It will be much easier to live with in a year. There is always an intersection between when one OS is getting behind in compatibility and support and the other is gaining in compatibility and stability. Somewhere in that overlap is the sweet spot for an upgrade. Varies greatly.

But, it's new shiny...

Unless you need to address more than 4GB RAM, 64Bit OS is a waste of energy. Many, many more issues to hassle with.

Just for persecutive on my opinion, I'm in the midst of planning to upgrade a couple thousand systems to 7 over the next few months...


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: john.m on October 22, 2009, 08:02 PM
I'd find a used 40GB hard drive for cheap and build Windows 7 on it so that I could assess whether I want to dive in or not.  That lets me swap back to my trusted setup any time I want and I can go find all the bits and pieces to make 7 run well at my leisure.


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: kiteking on October 23, 2009, 05:15 AM
I personally am going to wait till Xmas time when laptops w/Win7 will be running around $500. and save to $150- $200 to upgrade.


Xmas has come early


Inspiron (http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dndozm1&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&kc=laptops_great_deals) 15" Laptop for $499 with Dual Core T4200 processor, Windows 7, 3GB memory, 250GB hard drive, CD/DVD Burner, and 4-cell battery.


Inspiron (http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dddota2&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19) 537s Slim Desktop Computer & 19" Monitor for $499. Dual Core E5300 processor, Windows 7, 18.5" Monitor, CD/DVD Burner, 3GB memory, 320GB hard drive.



Acer Aspire (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115674&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction)  AS5517-5671 NoteBook AMD Athlon 64 TF-20(1.60GHz) 15.6" 3GB Memory DDR2 667 160GB HDD 5400rpm DVD Super Multi ATI Radeon HD 3200 - Retail Comes with Windows 7 Premium(limit 1 per customer) only $399.99


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: mikenchico on October 24, 2009, 12:07 AM
The word I get is - Don't - If you didn't like Vista or had problems with it you may have the same with Win7, many/most Vista problems were caused by trying to use older software or older hardware not specifically designed for Vista, unless you've replaced all of that Win7 will not be any better. It sounds like you're in that class with some unsupported hardware. What's wrong with XP? It'll be supported until 2014 now. Have you already upgraded your RAM over 2 gig? Do you really need more then 2 gig? XP64 is nice though from what I hear if you want or need to go that way because of a need for more RAM.

As I recall less then a year ago you were considering a Netbook, way less power then you ended up opting for, what's changed? Most people cruise the internet, do a little word processing, maybe run M$ Money or Quickbooks, maybe TurboTax, possibly a little Excell, and some basic photo editing. If that's you then a 5 year old computer is perfectly functional and you're already ahead of that game. If you REALLY need more then Craigs List that thing and buy a new one.







Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: Allen Carter on October 24, 2009, 01:55 PM
I'd find a used 40GB hard drive for cheap and build Windows 7 on it so that I could assess whether I want to dive in or not. 

That's fine if fiddling with a computer is a hobby. Most people just want the damn thing to work.

To elaborate on what Mike said, I think 7 will succeed where vista failed primarily due to  technology refresh. In short, time heals...


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: rxburner on October 25, 2009, 11:43 AM
I do have 4 gigs of RAM, XP Home only sees 3 gigs.....
that is my main interest in a 64 bit OS....
Rx


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: chilese on October 25, 2009, 12:31 PM
Although my 6 year old Mac and 23" screen are doing fine....

The new 27" ???  iMac (with motion sensing Magic Mouse™) for $1700 sure looks good and would be a fine way to leave the bitter tasting teat of Mr. Gates behind.

Just a thought.

http://www.apple.com/ (http://www.apple.com/)  ::)

Two of my brothers recently went to the 23" iMac from PCs. Perhaps my constant years of badgering finally paid off.

I know you're writing about a recent laptop, but I almost feel compelled to start a Mac/PC rant.  8) I do have a PC also and it works okay.


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: kevin on October 25, 2009, 03:40 PM
...but I almost feel compelled to start a Mac/PC rant.  8)


Since you *did* say so.  :)

With Windows 7 now out for the masses, buying a Mac seems more than ever to me, like my beloved Grandmother used to say, a case of more dollars than sense.

Case in point. (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp;jsessionid=C7D1F642D29B1F4669E2070172D5E1AD.bbolsp-app05-46?skuId=9999117800050002&st=PC_Home_Makeover&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=pcmprd117900050002)



Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: JimB on October 25, 2009, 03:48 PM
holy crap.


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: kevin on October 25, 2009, 04:05 PM
holy crap.

Right?


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: chilese on October 25, 2009, 05:02 PM
You can pay more for a Mac at first....

or you can pay for your PC "every day of your life".  :-*


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: kiteking on October 25, 2009, 05:17 PM
I think Mac's are great, but it's the PC's that keep me in business


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: kevin on October 25, 2009, 05:39 PM
You can pay more for a Mac at first....

or you can pay for your PC "every day of your life".  :-*

Are you sipping a half-caff-double-decaf-sugar-free-sweetened-soy-latte outside of a Starbucks while smoking an organic acai flavored clove cigarette as you type that 15 year old line?

Just curious what it is you do with your evenings.   :P


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: chilese on October 25, 2009, 06:03 PM
I don't inhale clove ciggies.

Lockheed-Martin use to be all Macs in Sunnyvale many years ago. IT ratio was 50 computers/tech. Then the geniuses went to PCs, including me. IT ratio went to 10 computers/tech.

When it comes to supporting the IT guys, buy a PC.

Heck, they both do the same things. Although the PCs are way better for games. That latte sure sounds good.

I would have typed this on our PC, but Norton is busy getting rid of some critters on it....again.  ::)


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: kevin on October 25, 2009, 06:34 PM
I had to Google that "Norton" thing you were talking about.  I think I understand what it's for, but I don't typically exhibit the kind of web-surfing behavior that makes a thing like "Norton" necessary.  If you've a few super-good pics from frequenting the type of sites that keep those guys in business, please share by sending them to me via my Live mail account---I'm pretty sure they'll knock the dirt off of anything before it lands on my oh-so-vulnerable PC.


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: kiteking on October 25, 2009, 07:44 PM
The reason Mac's dont have much problem with virus's:

The people who write the virus want to disrupt work flow, so they think

write for PC =1 billion users


write for the Mac = 12 users


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: tpatter on October 25, 2009, 09:24 PM
If you are happy with the PC, then just keep at it.  I'm sure dual line kites were also fun before the stand-off was invented as well.


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: fidelio on October 25, 2009, 10:33 PM
ok, we get it. you like your stuff. that's great for you. now leave us alone in the dark to suffer, please.

no one was talking mac in this thread until a troll came in and decided to enlighten the masses, worse yet, a moderator.

live and let live.

mac users, exit stage left. thank you.


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: mikenchico on October 25, 2009, 10:45 PM
Reminds me of Chevy vrs Ford discussions, Chevy fanatics are very vocal & have names to call the ford fans etc.

Thank god for Chevrolets, my family would've starved if not for them ... we were all auto mechanics don't you know.



Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: chilese on October 25, 2009, 11:50 PM
My work here is done. Gosh, we haven't done that in years. And it was even civil. Thanks to all for playing.

Enjoy the new Windows OS....and your new printers, drivers, etc.  :D


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: kiteking on October 26, 2009, 09:04 AM

Enjoy the new Windows OS....and your new printers, drivers, etc.  :D

I once heard that if Microsoft built roads, every time they repaved you would have to purchase a new car!


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: Jeff on October 26, 2009, 09:23 PM
I upgraded my 2 XP machines to Win7. Easy and flawless, and everything works great. I used the RC version for a while so I knew what to expect, but it's really nice and has some cool features I'm still discovering.

For people who don't care to get caught up in the computer holy wars, just know that Win7 looks to be outstanding.


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: John Welden on November 01, 2009, 05:06 PM
Although my 6 year old Mac and 23" screen are doing fine....

The new 27" ???  iMac (with motion sensing Magic Mouse™) for $1700 sure looks good and would be a fine way to leave the bitter tasting teat of Mr. Gates behind.

Just a thought.

[url]http://www.apple.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.apple.com/[/url])  ::)

Two of my brothers recently went to the 23" iMac from PCs. Perhaps my constant years of badgering finally paid off.

I know you're writing about a recent laptop, but I almost feel compelled to start a Mac/PC rant.  8) I do have a PC also and it works okay.


WOW, you converted someone?  I've been working on my parents and brother for  20 years. They always have some stupid excuse.  I've had to listen to them bitch and moan about their PC's for all these years.  All they use is email, web, itunes and maybe a few other things that you can get for mac.  Absolutely no reason to stay with windoze.

Those 27 inch imacs look sweet.

What's funny is that I just got a smokin new win7 machine for Solidworks.  I had no choice, they don't make SW for mac.   Win7 is basically a NewTech kites version of OSX.  Pretty pathetic.  On the other hand, I haven't had any stability issues.  I'm running 64bit win 7 and 64bit Solidworks. I've also got a kick ass video card and Solidworks absolutely flies.  The rendering is incredible.  I'm actually quite happy so far.  I'm sure in a month or so I'll get some virus or something and have to reformat the HD.


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: John Welden on November 01, 2009, 05:11 PM
I upgraded my 2 XP machines to Win7. Easy and flawless, and everything works great. I used the RC version for a while so I knew what to expect, but it's really nice and has some cool features I'm still discovering.

For people who don't care to get caught up in the computer holy wars, just know that Win7 looks to be outstanding.

Outstanding compared to XP.  That isn't saying much.

I will give credit to some  cool features in win7 though . The windows management is pretty slick.  It actually looks decent, unlike XP that makes me ill.   It boots really quick.  My XP machine at work takes about an hour to boot.

I think windows user find Win 7 to be outstanding because XP is so pathetic.  Win7 gives them some of the look and feel of OSX.


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: kiteking on November 01, 2009, 09:45 PM
Windows 7 Upgrade for Students & Faculty $30


Requires a an email address ending in ".edu" to get an upgrade to Windows 7 (32bit or 64bit) for $30. You can choose whether to upgrade to Windows 7 Home Premium or Windows 7 Professional. Just click through to Win741.com, click the middle-left "Buy" or "$29.99" box, and use your ".edu" email address. Download, or add $13 to have a DVD shipped. This is the same Windows 7 available to everyone, just cheaper.


Here (http://www.win741.com/)


Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: mikenchico on November 01, 2009, 09:54 PM
Same, but anybody considering it needs to aware that the academic editions usually come with no Microsoft support, that is to be provided by your schools computer dept. That's why it's cheaper. (Although I haven't confirmed that on this release) That said you can get better support anyway by searching forums online & Microsoft's Knowledge Base yourself then you get from Microsoft Support, even asking questions on a kite forum is probably more reliable thanks to members like Mike (kiteking) above - I've never shied away from an academic version when I could get it.



Title: Re: Windows XP to Windows 7
Post by: Jeff on November 02, 2009, 02:10 PM
I upgraded my 2 XP machines to Win7. Easy and flawless, and everything works great. I used the RC version for a while so I knew what to expect, but it's really nice and has some cool features I'm still discovering.

For people who don't care to get caught up in the computer holy wars, just know that Win7 looks to be outstanding.

Outstanding compared to XP.  That isn't saying much.

I will give credit to some  cool features in win7 though . The windows management is pretty slick.  It actually looks decent, unlike XP that makes me ill.   It boots really quick.  My XP machine at work takes about an hour to boot.

I think windows user find Win 7 to be outstanding because XP is so pathetic.  Win7 gives them some of the look and feel of OSX.
I don't care why. It's outstanding. I've always been satisfied with XP, it's just old now.

I couldn't care less about the Mac vs PC p**** matches. I like Win 7 a lot.