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Title: 3/4 Winds Discussion
Post by: tpatter on October 29, 2009, 10:05 PM
It seems to me that there are 3 kinds of wind (perhaps 4).

- standard wind that we all dream of (3-10)
- low wind (<3)
- high wind (14+)
- no wind (indoor)

Then, you've got wind quality (smooth vs bumpy) that makes it more difficult no matter the speed.

Some basics apply, but the skills needed to fly in each of these seem different to me (timing, input strength, movement).  I've known some guys that are great high wind flyers that can't do much at all in <4 as well as guys  that are amazing at the low and slow stuff, but fall apart when the wind picks up.

What are your thoughts?


Title: Re: 3/4 Winds Discussion
Post by: fidelio on October 29, 2009, 10:44 PM
it could just be where i am in terms of my learning progression, but it seems there are tricks which like more wind, and tricks which prefer less wind. knowing what tricks are possible given the wind conditions appears to be, to me, a prime factor in your success completing tricks.

that said, a large repertoire of available tricks would broaden one's wind range by allowing them to execute a subset group of tricks at any point given the conditions.

however, i can also see, as time and skill moves forward, one could overcome this limitation and thus produce a great flier. one who can do whichever trick desired, essentially on demand, in almost any conditions.

if you look, you can find video of debray doing jacobs ladders in what appears to be hurricane winds, amazing.


Title: Re: 3/4 Winds Discussion
Post by: fidelio on October 29, 2009, 10:57 PM
as for your winds thoughts i agree, but would say there's 4.

no wind - light
light - light/medium
medium - medium heavy
heavy

i know those seem to be the usual break points, but to me there's overlap in the light/medium categories. if standard kites are the kites of choice in say 4-10 mph winds there are definitely kites which prefer the 4-7mph half of the range than others which prefer the 7-10mph half of the range. so i'd make the distinction between top half and bottom half standards, referring to the light/heavy side of the standard wind range they prefer.

just my 2 cents.


Title: Re: 3/4 Winds Discussion
Post by: jaybett on October 30, 2009, 01:04 AM
I'd agree with there being three types of wind, i.e. light, standard and heavy.
No wind, is an indoor kite being flown outside, on short lines.

I think most fliers, fear higher winds. I know that I did. Like learning to fly, in light winds, learning to fly in high winds requires experience to become comfortable with it and learn what tricks can be done in it.

Jay



Title: Re: 3/4 Winds Discussion
Post by: Steve Hall on October 30, 2009, 01:30 AM
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guys  that are amazing at the low and slow stuff, but fall apart when the wind picks up
Guilty  :-[


Title: Re: 3/4 Winds Discussion
Post by: lasapcheong on October 30, 2009, 01:36 AM
I think there is a 4th category. Those times when you don't feel any wind on your skin but trying to fly an indoor kite outdoors on indoor line lengths doing up and overs and 360s is extremely frustrating.

Times when you see smoke consistently going in one direction - wind is way too low to fly most SULs but still "puffy" enough to inhibit Indoor style flying.

-Darryl