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Title: Big Dual line
Post by: ATLFlyer on December 05, 2009, 12:25 PM
To those in the know...what is currently the largest dual line kite available. The biggest thing I have ever seen was the Prism Total Eclispe, which they of course don't make anymore. Is there something as big or bigger thats currently being made?


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: adx1592 on December 05, 2009, 12:34 PM
I'm pretty sure the L1 Thors Hammer is the biggest kite in production.
If you want info, contact level one, or Dave Bush- he flies them for demos.  :)


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: DD on December 05, 2009, 01:12 PM
I have a 9ft Beast by Hq and a 11ft California condor, both will do some tricks but take BIG arm movements. More fun just as arm stretchers


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: Beachbum on December 05, 2009, 01:20 PM
There was a Bob Child's kite, the Whang Doodle that was pretty big, and then was the Magnum Opus that was quite large too. 

I think they were both in the 9-10 ft range.


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: 711jrp on December 05, 2009, 02:18 PM
How aboput the elliot mammott?.......4.2m across.


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: Charly on December 05, 2009, 04:33 PM
Steve Shapson use to produce "Force 10" delta's back about 1990 or so before he started making quad foil kites.  It was 16 foot across by about 7 foot tall.  That is the biggest delta stunt kite I have ever seen.  Troy Gunn can tell you more about these kites as he has a HUGE history with them...LOL  I once flew a pair stacked together at Longbeach, WA. one WSIKF.

Charly


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: Michel on December 05, 2009, 04:44 PM
To those in the know...what is currently the largest dual line kite available.

It's the Flaki 7.6, wingspan 12 meters of the german kitebuiler Günter Wolsing.
 
(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3940/wolsing122fx.png)


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: xuzme720 on December 05, 2009, 05:37 PM
Holy Crow! ???

Why not just strap on a trapeze and use that thing for a hang glider! Talk about dragging you down the beach! 


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: adx1592 on December 05, 2009, 10:40 PM
WOW! is that flaki really in production?! =]
and just as a heads up, i think there was a magnum opus on the swap meet a few weeks back.


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: Turkey9186 on December 05, 2009, 11:11 PM
The Magnum Opus is about a 1/2" bigger in wingspan than the T.Eclipse with more sail area.  It is more of a ballet than the TE is.  It also has a narrow wind range.
And yes, it is still sitting in my bag.
Jerry


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: Michel on December 06, 2009, 02:37 AM
WOW! is that flaki really in production?! =]

Of course, I'm sure that Günter will build a Flaki for you if you have the money !  :D

And don't forget too the very nice 10' Top Of The Line Windrule Ultralight. This kite was used sometimes in competition by the U.K. Team Aircraft.

(http://i451.photobucket.com/albums/qq236/ryder666_2008/Photo0051.jpg)



Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: zippy8 on December 06, 2009, 03:59 AM
Elliot Mammut ?

(https://shop.elliot.de/images/big/mammut_1n.jpg)

450 x 206 cm (that's 14¾' for those of you reading in the 19th century). 420€ to you.

Mike.


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: Michel on December 06, 2009, 04:32 AM
These kites are able to do very nice Comete if you have very long arms.  ;)

The Vagabond SE - Wingspan : 8,50 meters
 
(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6207/vagabond0bc.png)
 
The Pure XXXL - Wingspan : 5,40 meters
 
(http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/4315/purexxxl3de.png)
 
The S-Kites 11.5 - Wing surface : 11.5 m²
 
(http://www.privat.wernert-it.de/petra/S-Kite_11_5.jpg)


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: Josiah on December 06, 2009, 09:58 AM
Really awesome pictures!  Thanks so much to everyone for posting!!!


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: chilese on December 06, 2009, 10:53 AM
Elliot Big Lift (11.5 feet)
(http://inlinethumb01.webshots.com/14848/2688114320049870108S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2688114320049870108petDQl)

Giant Platinum
(http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/30606/2276300440049870108S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2276300440049870108xODDPr)

Whangdoodle
(http://inlinethumb61.webshots.com/29884/1528592207049870108S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/1528592207049870108PjTBYK)

Thor's Hammer
(http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/6805/1100253180049870108S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/1100253180049870108xeRoJi)


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: RobB on December 06, 2009, 04:38 PM
OK... not the biggest, but certainly is a lot of FUN !


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Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: ATLFlyer on December 06, 2009, 04:53 PM
I don't understand how some of you guys get and keep some of these beasts in the air without killing yourselves. Kudos to you. It looks like it would be fun but I'm having images of my arms being ripped from my body at the shoulders and being dragged down the flying field. :D


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: portley777 on December 06, 2009, 07:05 PM
There was a video on Youtube of a guy (maybe Dave) flying Thor's hammer in 20mph wind. At first glance it was moving as fast as a standard sized kite - until you realise that's it's a Thor. Very impressive and he must be pretty strong and heavy to only have been dragged as much as he was (feet first). I'll have another look when I get home.

Cheers,
Mike


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: dagnabbit on December 06, 2009, 07:10 PM
OK... not the biggest, but certainly is a lot of FUN !


Sweet, a Firestorm.  I've got one of those, it's a lot of fun to fly.  I think team TKO used to fly them as team kites.


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: adx1592 on December 06, 2009, 07:59 PM
portley777, yes, thats dave!


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: RobB on December 07, 2009, 04:16 AM
OK... not the biggest, but certainly is a lot of FUN !


Sweet, a Firestorm.  I've got one of those, it's a lot of fun to fly.  I think team TKO used to fly them as team kites.
I really have to get my FS out and fly it, but it's one of those kites that you have to watch the wind with... it won't take much over 10mph.
And yes, mine is just like the ones team TKO used to fly, same colors.  8)


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: DD on December 07, 2009, 09:37 AM
Steady winds aren't that bad, its the gust that will hurt you. I have gone sliding in old reboks with no tread on them across wet grass. :o

padded straps are a must have to fly anything big for very long. Wide non padded straps are ok but tend to put my hands to sleep if i fly over 10 minutes. :(


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: Gamelord on December 07, 2009, 12:44 PM
Premier also produced the Apollo - 11' wingspan. A fantastic kite that tricks extremely well for it's size.  You do have to give it tons and tons of slack! :) :)

I think the Godfather has a couple pics of it when we had it out flying a while ago.

In all honesty, the Thor's Hammer doesn't really pull that hard (as compared to the power kites that we normally use for buggying / boarding).  I would rate the Thor's at around the same pull as a 4.5 meter quad line foil.


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: Allen Carter on December 07, 2009, 12:47 PM
I don't understand how some of you guys get and keep some of these beasts in the air without killing yourselves. Kudos to you. It looks like it would be fun but I'm having images of my arms being ripped from my body at the shoulders and being dragged down the flying field. :D

Big kites often fly best in fairly low wind. Back in the day, before SUL spars, to get a low wind version of a kite you went big. The Extra Large Magnum Opus (ELMO) is about 12' and flys great in 3MPH

From the Chicago Fire Site:

"The ELMO is a full 12-feet across, and as tall as some adults. It was designed by Eric Wolff in 1993 to take advantage of the lightest breezes. Although modern kite framing technology has alleviated the necessity of greater sail area, the ELMO is a sight worth seeing, and a kite worth flying."

Big pull is fun for a while, but a kite like the Thor's Hammer is really meant for tricking in normal wind.


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: chilese on December 07, 2009, 01:20 PM
The Apollo is a little smaller than 11 feet Kent.

It's 9.25 feet across and about 4 feet tall so there is a lot of sail.

It is surprisingly tricky and looks sharp in an old school way.

(http://inlinethumb61.webshots.com/5692/2193248600049870108S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2193248600049870108BbKfGg)


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: Gamelord on December 08, 2009, 11:45 AM
Thanks John...I knew you would come through with the info. :)


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: sbrown on November 30, 2010, 12:43 PM
I was looking for something else and found a few old low-res pics of some large kites, taken at WSIKF in the early '90s.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/misc%20stuff/bigk1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/misc%20stuff/bigk2.jpg)
the 'small' rainbow kite is a 10' Kitemandu 1100

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/misc%20stuff/PRED2.jpg)
Kitemandu Predator beside Kitemobile 3.0

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/misc%20stuff/predator.jpg)
Kitemandu Predator, held by  Charlie & Jim


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: thief on November 30, 2010, 03:07 PM
Pictures from Zeke (http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=143)..
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_tbYkV1FmtY4/TPWDZtisCqI/AAAAAAAATS8/IfsuONfruk8/s400/Kite%2520Handles%252003.jpg)
(apparently he is going to give me a dollar for posting these pictures! yeah!!!)

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_tbYkV1FmtY4/TPWDaeC9V1I/AAAAAAAATTA/KCTNlcGK6Lc/s400/Kite%2520Handles%252004.jpg)

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_tbYkV1FmtY4/TPWDaYQu6NI/AAAAAAAATTE/R-Zdmyb8urU/s400/Kite%2520Handles%252005.jpg)

Zeke's (http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=143) words:
INSTEAD of straps I  use these instead. diameter about 1", bigger or smaller to suit your hand, length of these is 6". I suggest the length be just long enough to extend past your clenched fist. wood is anything at all, snow shovel handles, closet poles, ladder rungs or whatever.  2 holes go all the way through with a small relief area on the back side. lines here are double #500; length is your choice but 4" - 6" is good..  they take a little getting used to with the lines between your ring and index finger.  I started using these after being dragged by a large stack of Flexis. If a large enough gust of wind hits you, one handle will probably be pulled from your grasp leaving you holding one and retaining the kite and. Suggested as an alternative to having the strap wrapped around your wrist.


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: thief on November 30, 2010, 03:16 PM
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_UVZtT26SUvE/TOcDD9xqwPI/AAAAAAAAAq8/X5o3bQZoVxo/s640/Team%20High%20FLy%20giant.jpg)
not certain: was this an El Nino? or another name???I thought that the El Nino's were just the 6' ones....

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_UVZtT26SUvE/TOrjkIrU4XI/AAAAAAAAAzI/mcxH1hU6pUk/s640/Windrule.jpg)
mmmm....sweet windrule

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_UVZtT26SUvE/TOrjeU4pO2I/AAAAAAAAAyQ/DOyMjA7JUHk/s400/Whangdoodles%20%281%29.JPG)
Whangdoodle....he he he he he he....such a weird kite...and a GREAT name!

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_UVZtT26SUvE/TOrjhz29BuI/AAAAAAAAAyo/vKpnpJ&%#*M/s800/prism%20prophecy.jpg)
might not fly like a big wing....but is one....

 ::) crap..the bottom link has a series of random numbers and letters....and it might have randomly spelled the f-bomb and so the forum blocked the picture!!! please hold....cannot get the pic...dang..it was of a Prism Prophecy......


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: glider on November 30, 2010, 05:32 PM
Bill Rogers has a video of a Thors Hammer here
http://home.comcast.net/~kiteaddict/KiteVids.html (http://home.comcast.net/~kiteaddict/KiteVids.html)
I had mine out at Seaside during the AKA Nationals this year.  What a ball to fly.


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: Scotty on December 01, 2010, 12:05 AM
thief said...
Quote
not certain: was this an El Nino? or another name???I thought that the El Nino's were just the 6' ones....

...this looks exactly like my Team High-Fly Pro-Am...just a tad bigger!


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: badcloud on December 01, 2010, 03:45 PM
Great pictures but how do these kites fly - slow and dragging ?

I have all the Elliot large dual lines Mammut and others.

fun to fly in the right wind


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: Dave Gibson on December 04, 2010, 09:48 PM
here is 549 pages of very large two liners  Wolsing he some time sales them butt no prodution kites..
http://picasaweb.google.com/StegMich/WolsingBildergalerie?feat=flashalbum#5316128206741697874 (http://picasaweb.google.com/StegMich/WolsingBildergalerie?feat=flashalbum#5316128206741697874)


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: Kantaxel on December 04, 2010, 10:29 PM
Great pictures but how do these kites fly - slow and dragging ?

I have all the Elliot large dual lines Mammut and others.

fun to fly in the right wind

Not necessarily dragging, but in it's lowest wind (around three MPH) it is certainly not fast...........At around ten mph, I can't move fast enough forward for any slack line stuff, at all.

Jim


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: Retnüg on January 17, 2011, 09:54 PM
Wolsing-Drachen Flaki 9,0;

Spannweite  9 Meter,  Spitzenhöhe  3 Meter

Design  Flickwark

(http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/flaki90img4389pa5nex6k.jpg) (http://www.fotos-hochladen.net)


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: RobB on January 18, 2011, 04:45 AM
Absolutely beautiful kite !
I would love to fly something like that...


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: aliensporebomb on February 23, 2011, 09:21 PM
Hello.

I saw this thread just by random chance and quickly joined up as I have two very large dual line kites.

I have one of the original Force 10 wings which is 15 feet by 5.5 feet.
Mine is the non-Carbon frame version so it's kind of heavy but flies surprisingly well.
That kite flies on 150 feet of 500 pound spectra line.

Funny story:  I bought the Force 10 from Windborne kites and apparently the original owner bought it, flew it exactly once and was terrified of it
and returned it so I was able to purchase a mostly new Force 10 at reduced cost and I've had it since 1991.

I also have a GBK by Colossal Kiteworks formerly of Gwinn Michigan which produced a kite that is 19.5 feet by 10 feet.
That kite flies on 250 feet of 3/8" braided nylon rope and has an Easton Aluminum/Carbon articulated frame.

My Force 10 wing is close to two decades old now and still flies although I do so sparingly.  Here's a cellphone pic the last time I flew her:
(http://pod.ath.cx/kites/f10b.jpeg)

Flying:
(http://pod.ath.cx/kites/force10.jpg)

To get a feel for the size here's a picture of it assembled in my living room in front of my couch, it dwarfs it:
(http://pod.ath.cx/kites/f10.jpg)

The GBK is enormous in comparison - it's so big I can't assemble it in the house really.

I have a still shot of me flying it in Port Aransas, Texas way back in 2003 here:
(http://pod.ath.cx/kites/gbk.jpg)

It doesn't really give you a good idea of how big it is:  it's 250 feet up and that day I had a 100+ foot tail on it just because.  A man and his daughter saw it from several miles away and walked for over an hour to get close enough to see me fly it close up.

I really need to assemble these and take good clear color photos since they are old now and the kites have probably seen better days.

Just wanted to update the thread a bit!


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: aliensporebomb on February 25, 2011, 12:40 PM
Update: co-incidentally, my friend who videotaped a lot of our kite sessions in the early 1990s just gave me
a set of dvds with lots of footage with both the force 10 and the gbk on it.

I'll edit this and get it up on youtube as soon as I can.

In the meantime, here's a still from one of the videos of the GBK in action:

(http://pod.ath.cx/kites/gbk2.jpg)


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: aliensporebomb on February 26, 2011, 06:33 AM
Update:

Here's the Force 10 video my friend filmed with me flying:

Force 10 Power Kite Demonstration Flight Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr67X5JkM3g#ws)


Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: aliensporebomb on February 26, 2011, 01:25 PM
Second video of the GBK (19.5' x 10').

First segment single line, second segment dual:
GBK "Great Big Kite" Demonstration Flight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKrehVJUtfA#ws)



Title: Re: Big Dual line
Post by: Dominiknz on July 12, 2011, 05:49 AM
First flight of the worlds biggest dual line - the Wolsing Flaki 12.0 on 80m flight lines.

You can see the video on Guenters Website http://www.wolsing-drachen.de/ (http://www.wolsing-drachen.de/)

Guenter could'nt take part at this great moment because he's in hospital. Hopefully he's getting well very soon.