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Title: Nose repair (FAIL)
Post by: lilabner on December 07, 2009, 03:14 PM
 :'( :-[ >:( I'm a lil distraught over this failure  :D but life does go on ;)

http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2203332370055536879JZXWRa (http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2203332370055536879JZXWRa)

I had some seat belt material Steve sold me a few years ago. I thought this would be fine for a nose repair.
So much for MY THOUGHTS :-X

SeeN I have three more of these E-Z Lights sitting in my bags some might think I'm a fool for tryN to repair this kite. BUT!!! this lil gal & I have had some really good times together 8)

What kind of material should be use in this case???

Thanks Much
Abner


Title: Re: Nose repair (FAIL)
Post by: dagnabbit on December 07, 2009, 04:09 PM
Looks like lightweight nylon webbing- except where the fibers separated- that looks like kevlar.  Several kite shops have it, I think, including kitebuilder.


Title: Re: Nose repair (FAIL)
Post by: spence602 on December 07, 2009, 04:50 PM
I've perform rhinoplasty :D on kites.  I use an outside layer of 3.9 oz Dacron, but I always put a layer of Kevlar inside.
The Kevlar folds over/along the top and protects the Dacron from the 3 spars (with end caps).  I use DS tape to hold the Kevlar to the Dacron, with more DS tape on the front (and a couple of smaller pieces of on the back side (not covering the spine 'slot')) of the sail - then the whole thing gets sewn together.


Title: Re: Nose repair (FAIL)
Post by: ndcmpc on December 07, 2009, 07:20 PM
Take out the rod and push the fibers back together.  Load it up with superglue and spray with an accelerator to set the superglue immediately.  Then fold a dollar bill and put it in the nose and put the rod back.

Works like a charm.  I have a kite I repaired that way several years ago and it is still going strong.


Title: Re: Nose repair (FAIL)
Post by: RobB on December 07, 2009, 07:29 PM
I follow the suggested fix, up until the dollar bill part...

I have a NikNak that has the same spine thru the nose issue, got it that way. I've been using heavy fabric tape, but it only lasts so long.

Thanks for the help...
~Rob.


Title: Re: Nose repair (FAIL)
Post by: mikenchico on December 07, 2009, 07:47 PM
Looks like you had cut the webbing to shape, and I notice you didn't extend the stitching all the way to the nose, this allowed the Weft threads to pull right out causing your failure. I would give the Super Glue fix a try, it can work wonders sometimes. If you decide to replace the nose again be sure to sew all the way to the nose with that small of piece, 6,7,8 or more times across to lock those threads into place if your cutting wide webbing to size. It would be better if you could find some strapping with finished edges in the width you need. It's hard to stitch right from the front since getting that bulk to pull under the foot when you start takes some skill and patience and you have to do it half a dozen times. Do put some of the self adhesive kevlar from kitebuilder in there to if you replace it again just for an extra measure of protection.




Title: Re: Nose repair (FAIL)
Post by: Allen Carter on December 07, 2009, 08:22 PM
I follow the suggested fix, up until the dollar bill part...


Yeah, the Euro's a lot stronger than the dollar...


Title: Re: Nose repair (FAIL)
Post by: inewham on December 08, 2009, 01:49 AM
Take out the rod and push the fibers back together.  Load it up with superglue and spray with an accelerator to set the superglue immediately.  Then fold a dollar bill and put it in the nose and put the rod back.

Works like a charm.  I have a kite I repaired that way several years ago and it is still going strong.


What Doug said ^

I folded a bit of dacron rather than a dollar bill, darned the webbing back together then soaked with a bit of superglued and it held for years.
...Right up until the point where the kite hit a rock nose first in very high winds and the front 4" of the sail parted company with the nose BUT the nose survived! (then I just superglued the sail back on  ;D )


Title: Re: Nose repair (FAIL)
Post by: ndcmpc on December 08, 2009, 08:57 AM
I follow the suggested fix, up until the dollar bill part...

I have a NikNak that has the same spine thru the nose issue, got it that way. I've been using heavy fabric tape, but it only lasts so long.

Thanks for the help...
~Rob.

Look at it this way - with the $ in the nose, you will always have emergency money for tolls, soda or parking.  :D

Actually, the point is to bulk up around the end of the rod so it is harder to push through the webbing.  Prism used to use kevlar - not sure if they still do.  The dollar bill works well because it is actually a very tight weave cotton fiber and has reinforcing threads running through it for durability.


Title: Re: Nose repair (FAIL)
Post by: Michel on December 08, 2009, 10:14 AM
Take out the rod and push the fibers back together.  Load it up with superglue and spray with an accelerator to set the superglue immediately.

OK.

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Then fold a dollar bill and put it in the nose and put the rod back.

Or put a 8 mm endcap over the 6 mm endcap of the spine.


Title: Re: Nose repair (FAIL)
Post by: lilabner on December 08, 2009, 03:04 PM
DOUG!!!! Good to see you friend. Have you heard from or seen Nelson?? Is he still kickin'?

Thanks for ALL the good ideas gang, I appreciate em all.

Ab



Title: Re: Nose repair (FAIL)
Post by: ndcmpc on December 08, 2009, 08:40 PM
Ab, I haven't seen him in ages.  You could shout at Donna.  Maybe she has been in touch.

Missing.  Have you seen this man?


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