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Title: abraxas kite build??
Post by: tommymcmillan on December 10, 2009, 05:03 AM
I want to start ordering the parts for this build,but I don't know what parts I need for the roll bars? Could someone please tell me what parts(detail list) I need to order for the roll bars(the frame will be p200 for the leading edge)


Title: Re: abraxas kite build??
Post by: Datenland on December 10, 2009, 11:22 AM
It's the 3 mm "GFK" rod, fiberglass in english. Finished length is 43,5 cm.

Erik


Title: Re: abraxas kite build??
Post by: tommymcmillan on December 10, 2009, 01:04 PM
What other parts do I need to get to connect it to the leading edge?


Title: Re: abraxas kite build??
Post by: Datenland on December 10, 2009, 03:15 PM
I would use an Apa standoff-connector, for P200 probably the Apa 250 with 6,5 mm for the leading edge. If you don't use the rollbars, they make perfect yoyostoppers, if you want to use the bars, turn them backwards and insert the rollbar with an endcap into them. The other end of the bar can be fixed with the Jaco standoff/sail connector.

Erik


Title: Re: abraxas kite build??
Post by: tommymcmillan on December 10, 2009, 04:32 PM
Thank you! For the info. i'll get started ordering the parts today & i'll be asking a lot more questions once the build gets started.
Thank you,


Title: Re: abraxas kite build??
Post by: tommymcmillan on December 10, 2009, 09:11 PM
could you please translate all of the frame measurements for me.


Title: Re: abraxas kite build??
Post by: Datenland on December 11, 2009, 05:46 AM
Spine is 82,5 cm, 6 mm pultruded
leading edge is 140 cm, 5 mm pultruded
upper spreader 45,5 cm, 5 mm pultruded
spreaders are 70 cm, Gforce Superskinnies
standoffs are 23,5 cm, all the same

Pil mentions in the text that, although this seems fragile, he had it out at 35 km/h wind.

Erik


Title: Re: abraxas kite build??
Post by: tommymcmillan on December 11, 2009, 05:42 PM
Would I be able to use skyshark p200(upper spreader,leading edge,spine) & 5pt(lower speader) or should I use the frame that's listed?


Title: Re: abraxas kite build??
Post by: Datenland on December 11, 2009, 06:03 PM
Paul May has put an extreme amount of knowledge and patience into the development of this kite. From what I know of him he must have studied about every rod-combination imaginable, so, if he publishes and, at one time, sold the kite in the given configuration I would really stick to that. It's not that it wouldn't work somehow, but it will be definitely a different kite. As a rule I stick to the proposed rods when building a kite after a public plan. If one gets to know how it was meant to behave, there might be changes possible afterwards to "personalize" it.
Also, the rods in the plan are a lot cheaper!
Personally I don't know the Abraxas, I've never built one and have only flown it for a time not worth mentioning. So I can help along with translations and tips, but not with anything connected with this particular kite.

Erik


Title: Re: abraxas kite build??
Post by: fidelio on December 12, 2009, 01:23 AM
erik, you're very cool to offer your help, especially with translation.
 8)


Title: Re: abraxas kite build??
Post by: xuzme720 on December 12, 2009, 05:38 AM
erik, you're very cool to offer your help, especially with translation.
 8)

I also commend you, Erik. I have been lurking on this one because I am on the fence about getting a machine and sewing my own kites. This one might knock me off the fence ;).


Title: Re: abraxas kite build??
Post by: tommymcmillan on December 12, 2009, 05:57 AM
Thank you,
For the invaulable advice ;D,i'll follow it to the letter and order the frame from Mr.Steve today/tomorrow :P


Title: Re: abraxas kite build??
Post by: tommymcmillan on December 12, 2009, 06:45 AM
I noticed on the plans thier was something that looked like a wind brake,could you give me the measurement to it?


Title: Re: abraxas kite build??
Post by: Datenland on December 12, 2009, 09:23 AM
Sorry, but now I'm a bit at a loss, there is a plan called "Bremssegel.jpg" the sizes are given in centimeters, you can use that?

Thanks for the compliments!

Erik