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Title: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: Kitemac on December 15, 2009, 01:44 PM
This has been my first season of flying stunt kites.  Getting through the lawn dart phase was very difficult until I found a decent flying location and some nice days with wind coming off the water.  My Beetle did take quite a beating but now I have basic take off, landing and control skills. 

How  badly will my hard learned skills disappear over the winter season? 


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: chilese on December 15, 2009, 01:59 PM
They will ripen like a fine wine and you will be renewed in the spring.

All you need to do is sleep with your head lower than the rest of your body to keep your brain engorged with blood.

Hope that helps.  ;)


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: streamhawk on December 15, 2009, 02:06 PM
think that depends more on the individual, but one thing is for sure, you'll find out how good a job (or not) you did of implanting the proper muscle memory of the things you learned this summer. Try to get out and fly on any and all nicer days this winter, it won't be as long a wait to find these things out.

Bill


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: mikenchico on December 15, 2009, 02:10 PM
Basic skills will return very quickly, almost like riding a bike. Ingrained muscle memory, timing type tricks will suffer though. Try to get out once in awhile if at all possible, I'm sure your winters are a bit (re: a lot) harsher then ours but hey once a month for an hour will keep your basic flying skills fresh. I've gone a year between flights, can always keep the kite in the air.





Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: fworley on December 15, 2009, 02:10 PM
They won't deteriorate really ...

You'll remember most of what you've learn and you now have a *feel* for it ...

Don't worry, come spring you'll pick up where you left off.

-Frazer


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: adx1592 on December 15, 2009, 02:17 PM
+1 on frazers comment


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: kiten00b on December 15, 2009, 02:51 PM
it's more how badly will my bank balance deteriorate? as your jonesing to fly causes you to buy more and more kites until the weather improves


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: indigo_wolf on December 15, 2009, 03:10 PM
On the plus side, leading edge launchs are actually easier on ice.  ;)

ATB,
Sam


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: DD on December 15, 2009, 04:41 PM
it's more how badly will my bank balance deteriorate? as your jonesing to fly causes you to buy more and more kites until the weather improves

Kites...more kites...need more kites
 ;D

or you go out in the cold ???
its nice to able to put the kite together inside and also to have a vehicle large enough to not have to break it down until you get back to someplace warm
gloves, warm hat and coat help
how bad are you jonesing? :P


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: rxburner on December 15, 2009, 05:40 PM
Your not flying over the Winter?  ???
Dude, you're doomed

(http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5868/strangetracks.th.jpg) (http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5868/strangetracks.jpg)

Rx


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: lylenc on December 15, 2009, 05:59 PM
The cold dense air makes low wind flying easier. One time my SUL was just hanging in place without any footwork, when normally, I'd be pumping or back pedaling. Winter flying is cool for flying,  8), while it's cold for flying,  :(.


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: RobB on December 15, 2009, 06:56 PM
There's no reason to stop flying during the fall, winter, or spring... I think it's the best time to fly. My beaches are empty, there's not much sunburn or sweat. I actually dislike flying in the summer because of those reasons. Mostly the crowds...
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089/3208166100_a9ef071d0e.jpg)


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: Dolphinboy on December 15, 2009, 07:27 PM
I'd say about 22%  :D

Just get out when you can & you'll be OK.

(http://inlinethumb56.webshots.com/38199/2271313310102181666S600x600Q85.jpg)


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: Schook on December 15, 2009, 07:46 PM
If you are a real die hard, you will fly some during the winter.  You may feel a bit rusty in the spring if you don't, but it shakes off very quickly.  I have flown (and actually had fun) when the temp was below 0 degrees.  When the snow is more than 12 inches deep it gets tough to move your feet though.  ;)

(http://inlinethumb59.webshots.com/42746/2939535450097121842S500x500Q85.jpg)

jim


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: randyg on December 15, 2009, 08:07 PM
Is this where we start a discussion on the density of cold air vs. hot? Obviously I've been around here too long.  :D


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: anOldMan on December 16, 2009, 12:42 AM
Is this where we start a discussion on the density of cold air vs. hot? Obviously I've been around here too long.  :D

Does it get cold enough in Georgia to worry about the density of the air?  ;)


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: stapp59 on December 16, 2009, 03:01 AM
Landings are easier  ??? :D

(http://inlinethumb59.webshots.com/25914/2274752080072910119S425x425Q85.jpg) (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2274752080072910119wkfHgA)


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: Bob D on December 16, 2009, 04:18 AM
I just started flying in the colder weather last year and it's not too bad! It's completely doable in the 40's and not so bad in the 30's. Wear a nice winter coat, hat, thermals and gloves. I use bicycle riding gloves that I got from Performance about 15 years ago and they work great because they're GoreTex and not too heavy.

I haven't been to LSP in a few weeks but I've been itching again. We could meet up there some Friday I have off or on a weekend sometime. (Last weekend was ugly because of the freezing rain up by us in the mountains!)


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: Francois on December 16, 2009, 04:42 AM
Is this where we start a discussion on the density of cold air vs. hot? Obviously I've been around here too long.  :D

It IS better in the winter...No discussion!!! ;)


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: randyg on December 16, 2009, 05:41 AM
Landings are easier  ??? :D

([url]http://inlinethumb59.webshots.com/25914/2274752080072910119S425x425Q85.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2274752080072910119wkfHgA[/url])

Steve, I have to say that is one of the best kite shots I've seen in a long time. Kudos to you on a great pic! ;D

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Does it get cold enough in Georgia to worry about the density of the air?


We have our days. We have days it doesn't get much above freezing but not too many per year. Of course I live just south of the Tennessee line.


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: DaveH on December 16, 2009, 06:20 AM
I like winter flying a lot because the soccer fields are empty.  I'll fly in 30 degree weather often and a few days down in the '20s.  Last week the temp outside my basement was 1.  ???  I stayed home..


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: Kitemac on December 16, 2009, 08:05 AM
It is great to hear that the lawn dart stage is behind me.   :)  Would not want to endure that again.

I have flown as low as 40 degrees without an issue but never in the 30s.  Maybe I will try until I find the "it is too cold" point.

Some of you actually fly with snow on the ground?  Any effect on the lines? 

As far as keeping up with the Joneses I am amazed how these things multiple so quickly.



Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: stapp59 on December 16, 2009, 08:27 AM
@Randy  Thanks guy!  :)  Not your normal beach pic I suppose.  Had lots of fun that day.  New powder about a foot deep, cold though in single digits.  Brrr.  Started with tip drags in the snow then 45 degree dives, finally was able to dive straight down at speed with just a dull thud.  The nose never reached the ground.  Much harder to dive without pulling up.  Normal reflexes you know.  If JohnC thinks it worthy, it can go in the calendar mix next year...

@kitemac  Too cold is whatever you determine it to be.  Hardest is keeping hands warm...


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: rxburner on December 16, 2009, 09:49 AM
Some of you actually fly with snow on the ground?  Any effect on the lines? 

The great thing about flying in snow, is that every field becomes a 'Kite Field."

If the lines get damp, just lay out the winder over night instead of packing it away. I fly down into the teens, it is all about layering and a good pair of light flexible gloves. I was out in 11 deg.(F) last week.
Rx


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: DaveH on December 16, 2009, 04:34 PM
agreed.  I think the toughest time to fly is in the transitions when everything is sloppy and muddy.  Once it decides to be winter its pretty awesome.  For me the solitude more than makes up for the cold. 


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: tpatter on December 16, 2009, 08:20 PM
This one sure liked the snow and cold. 

I never got accustomed to wearing gloves while flying, but bundle up and its fun!  The white snow actually provides a nice backdrop for the kite (even better than a sandy beach) - it really stands out.


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Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: Schook on December 17, 2009, 01:03 PM
agreed.  I think the toughest time to fly is in the transitions when everything is sloppy and muddy.  Once it decides to be winter its pretty awesome.  For me the solitude more than makes up for the cold. 

+1

And the the wind is so much smoother too.   Also temps are a relative issue as well.  30 degrees seems cold to someone used to 50, but seems warm to someone that has had a stretch of 10 degree weather. 

I don't hesitate to fly when the winter temps are 10 degrees, it usually means the temp came up from below zero.  :)

jim


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: King-J on December 17, 2009, 04:30 PM
I was out the other Day just a couple of hours after the rain stopped, boy was the grass ever soggy but my desire to fly over came the slop, just be careful on tip stabs they have the tendency to go real deep, and have to be removed by hand ;)


Title: Re: How Badly Will My Flying Skills Deteriorate This Winter?
Post by: lylenc on December 17, 2009, 05:32 PM
Air density may not be much of a factor for standard and UL kites or for yank & spank flying. You can feel the difference when SUL finesse flying. Maybe air density is the wrong terminology, but something holds the kite up better ... I know it's not my half-froze private parts. They don't even reach past the finger straps.  ::)  :'(