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Title: fast,quality,small sport kite recomendation needed ?
Post by: kiter on December 22, 2009, 12:11 AM
hi all
a soon very merry xmas to you all.

ok, i would like some ideas please on a new sport kite that is fast,small,quality botique style ,that flies in unruly crap up and down winds from a inland loaction.

is there such a kite you can reccomend please ??

i have a prism micron kite ,nice small,but to lite,low quality,too squigly to control.
iv owned many prism quality kites before and can handle and fly ok.

but i like a small kite,with quality design/materials but is good in most wind conditions and a good alrounder if possble

hope to hear some thoughts/designs and ideas
thank you


Title: Re: fast,quality,small sport kite recomendation needed ?
Post by: Adicakes on December 22, 2009, 02:32 AM
Benson Minigem seems to fit the bill nicely.  ;D  Alternatively, you could try to track down a Dot Matrix, or go for a Frenezy Evo.


Title: Re: fast,quality,small sport kite recomendation needed ?
Post by: Bob D on December 22, 2009, 04:22 AM
I have to second the Minigem! The construction IS excellent and it IS fast! You need enough wind that you can feel it on the back of your neck for it to fly. It needs more than you think it might. Once it's up in the air it's axels VERY quickly and I've rolled it up from a fade and didn't even see it happen.

(Anybody want to comment on the Long Duong Tiger II?)


Title: Re: fast,quality,small sport kite recomendation needed ?
Post by: Ben on December 22, 2009, 05:28 AM
They're no longer in production but an Aerostar Spica Pro fits the description.

http://www.aerostarsportkites.com/spica.htm (http://www.aerostarsportkites.com/spica.htm)

Perhaps a post in the "Wanted" section will find you one. Good Luck.


Title: Re: fast,quality,small sport kite recomendation needed ?
Post by: adx1592 on December 22, 2009, 05:40 AM
+1 on the minigem
There's also the skyburner wahoo if you can find one.


Title: Re: fast,quality,small sport kite recomendation needed ?
Post by: kiter on December 22, 2009, 12:16 PM
thanks for your replies
i will look into the mini gem then.
my prob is i live inland and the winds here in vic are just crap not near any water.
and what about talon,exile,deep space,window maker that you all are mostly saying are you best favorite kites in the other current thread ?
thank you :)


Title: Re: fast,quality,small sport kite recomendation needed ?
Post by: adx1592 on December 22, 2009, 12:21 PM
the widowmaker can be a bit speedy in higher winds.
Maybe look into that one?


Title: Re: fast,quality,small sport kite recomendation needed ?
Post by: kiter on December 22, 2009, 12:36 PM
yeah,nah that counts widowmaker out then,i have crap winds here,when there is wind here that is,lol
cheers.


Title: Re: fast,quality,small sport kite recomendation needed ?
Post by: kiten00b on December 22, 2009, 04:40 PM
Airdynamics Trancer
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The original Trancer was as mad as a bag of monkeys. Fast, loads of fun and fantastic in high wind. You could pull the lines almost at random and 9 times out of 10 the Trancer would turn it into a trick. It's been a real challenge to evolve this design into something more all-round, without losing that mad edge.

This retains the carbon/kevlar composite frame, which will take very rough treatment (well OK, crashes..). The revised kite is much easier to hold in a fade, much easier to backspin and flatspin. The W trick line makes it easy to lazy and flapjack. And as a bonus, the new version needs much less wind.


Title: Re: fast,quality,small sport kite recomendation needed ?
Post by: kiter on December 22, 2009, 04:47 PM
what about prism 3d kite ?
prob not a high end quality kite though ?,but may fly ok in crap winds ?
thanks


Title: Re: fast,quality,small sport kite recomendation needed ?
Post by: Bob D on December 22, 2009, 05:10 PM
Definitely not the 3D (IMO). It's too small and is more of a light wind kite. I don't think it would like higher wind. And it's not all that trickable because of the low mass. And you're certainly going to have trouble tricking it when the wind gives it a nice pull.

The Minigem flies great in higher wind but I probably wouldn't recommend it if you have trouble with the wind dying on you.

The other kites you mention are all good kites but I wouldn't say that they're as fast as the Minigem. However, they might handle variable wind better. The Deep Space is a real nice kite that handles variable wind nicely and has a nice upper range. It's not a "fast" kite if you're just looking for speed. The speed is okay but the Minigem is still faster.

The same goes for the Widow Maker. The WM is a bigger kite and it's slower but it really handles a nice wind range. It's not fast though.

The Exile pulls a bit when the wind is up. I like it below 10 mph - or the speed where the wind isn't making me pull the lines in with some effort. I wouldn't say it's a fast kite either but it's still very nice to trick.

The few really fast kites I've flown (like the Micron and the Minigem) all seem to need a bit more wind so I'm not sure that they're real satisfying in variable to low wind.

Seems to me that if you want a fast kite you'll need some wind to make it go. If the wind where you are isn't consistently stronger, you might have to trade off speed for fly-ability.


Title: Re: fast,quality,small sport kite recomendation needed ?
Post by: UPNET on December 22, 2009, 05:41 PM
(Anybody want to comment on the Long Duong Tiger II?)


The Tiger II needs a lot of SMOOTH consistent wind. If it hit's a bump...or hole in the wind..it drops out of the sky. That...plus it's a bitch to launch.    :-[


Chris


Title: Re: fast,quality,small sport kite recomendation needed ?
Post by: DD on December 22, 2009, 07:27 PM
Gotta agree with others, mini gem would be a good choice for tricks and speed. Spica would also be good choice, with build quality on both being incredible. They would be more first choices for speed and tricks. You may also consider a deep space, great trickster and has some speed when the wind picks up.
You may also look at a jet stream speed for a speed kite, not much if anything in the trick department though
Also agree with the wahoo being a quick trickster.
3D, i would not reccomend, small ul kite.
I've owned or own all of the above


Title: Re: fast,quality,small sport kite recomendation needed ?
Post by: mikenchico on December 22, 2009, 07:32 PM
I was going to say a Nighthawk for a small fast kite but if you want "Boutique" then look at the Skyburner Freestylist. One of my favorites in high & bumpy winds. Quality is the same as the Widowmaker, designed by Jon T and sewn by Heads Up. Even though it is Boutique Quality Jon brought this kite in at $160 for the standard in Nylon and $180(?) for the UL in Icarex, still one of best deals of the last 5 years. It get a bit of wingtip shudder in real high winds but I bet you vould talk Jon into framing one up with Nitro's.



Title: Re: fast,quality,small sport kite recomendation needed ?
Post by: glider on December 22, 2009, 07:40 PM
The Nebula seems fast to me.  Not sure what to say about its performance in unruly winds.  We seldom have wind strong enough for it here.  Seems plenty tough enough to handle gusts.

3D?  nah.

The Lynx Feather is one I turn to quite often for inland flying.

How about a vented Rev?  

Dave
Portland, OR


Title: Re: fast,quality,small sport kite recomendation needed ?
Post by: thief on December 23, 2009, 04:19 AM
icarex stranger fit the bill???


Title: Re: fast,quality,small sport kite recomendation needed ?
Post by: zippy8 on December 23, 2009, 08:10 AM
icarex stranger fit the bill???

It's 2m so no on the "small".

Minigem new or from the second hand market Dot Matrix, Psycho, Trancer, Area 51  ;) Actually that reminds me... I must get my Trancer (http://www.elisanet.fi/mike.emery/CIMG0633.JPG) into the air this winter. It's daft but in a really, really good way.

Mike.


Title: Re: fast,quality,small sport kite recomendation needed ?
Post by: thief on December 23, 2009, 08:17 AM
ahh...tis not small..but it seemed like the move was towards a lighter version....
at 2m or so there is the psycho too...def. Fast!


Title: Re: fast,quality,small sport kite recomendation needed ?
Post by: bryan beasley on December 23, 2009, 12:03 PM
I like small, fast tricky stuff...

... Dot Matrix, Element, CTC XS, X masque, Mini Gem.

Bryan

I wonder if there's such a thing as a Mini Talon yet. ;-)


Title: Re: fast,quality,small sport kite recomendation needed ?
Post by: kiter on December 23, 2009, 12:41 PM
thanks for all your replies and help.
a very merry xmas and happy safe new year to you all.
best regards   ;)


Title: Re: fast,quality,small sport kite recomendation needed ?
Post by: Michel on December 27, 2009, 03:33 PM
@ Kiter

It depends if you are looking for a fast trick kite or for a true speedkite.

If you are looking for a true speedkite, you can try the Long Duong Tiger II or the new Mustang (picture in attached).

Official measured speed for the Tiger II : 182 km / h  ;)

But take care, High-speed Long Duong kites are not for Newbies !

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Title: Re: fast,quality,small sport kite recomendation needed ?
Post by: lilabner on December 27, 2009, 10:07 PM
I'm not too keen on da idea of One Size Fits All ??? ;D
In the past I've had a couple of the early Mini Gems, a Standard, & an UL Gem in my bag @ once. As long as I had a Mini & an UL I rarely went for my Standard. When I had the lowest of winds my UL didn't cut it, I'd go for Ozone (but then I sux  ;)).
And I love the Mini so much I just nailed another, but I can't see it fitting da bill as an All Around gotoer IMH(umble)O

At this point I might say a SilverFox 2.3 if U R wanting a one size fits all, & wantin' to save $$$. If not, I think I would try a DS Standard. But then I change my mind like da clouds change their shapes 8) Dat's off da top of my head, there are many ways to skin a kat.

Good luck in your choice
Ab