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Title: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: Carlton on January 24, 2010, 07:06 AM
So the Skate, IMHO, is a better looking kite.  But does it have any flying advantages over the Aerobe?  How do they compare, outdoor low/no wind gliding wise, is the Skate worth being twice as much?


Title: Re: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: thief on January 24, 2010, 07:19 AM
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[url]http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=1754.0[/url]

Check out the above link for my thoughts on these kites....

Simply put they are two different kites.....
one is a mass produced and one is a craft kite....

the Aerobe is designed to fly in low low winds and into higher winds with the tail....
the skate is designed for no winds into low winds...and it does that superbly....

the skate is more of a gliding kite than the aerobe which is more of a flip flop yank the line kite....

is the Aerobe worth its full price? my opinion is no.....i am extremely glad that i got in on the gwtw deal with a discounted price and free shipping when i did....
is the skate worth its price? yes, but it is a different sort of flying kite than the aerobe is....it is a flight that not as many people might enjoy....

my thoughts....not GWTW or anyone else's.....

Carlton where are you located? maybe a local person has them both to check out for you!


Title: Re: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: Carlton on January 24, 2010, 07:17 PM
Thanks for the info.  It's ironic that the cheaper one isn't worth the money, but the more expensive on is....aint' that the way it goes sometimes   :( 
I live in Hong Kong.  Needless to say, nobody has them here.  There is a kind of Chinese version along the same lines, but I haven't ever seen one.   


Title: Re: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: kiten00b on January 24, 2010, 07:41 PM
I've got a Skate & 2 Aerobes.
I think the Aerobe value is very good- you get a nice tail and decent line with it.
The Skate is made of more expensive material and has very good workmanship, but the Aerobe is good value for the money in my opinion.


Title: Re: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: JimB on January 24, 2010, 09:10 PM
The Aerobe is not worth $60.00?

So what is it worth?


Title: Re: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: fidelio on January 24, 2010, 09:53 PM
to me the aerobe is a tremendous value at $60. we've been having plenty of fun with it out here in vegas on friday nights when the wind won't let us fly anything else. most of us have flown it and i can't recall anyone disliking it. at least here, it's a hit. it's value really shines when every other kite you have set up is on the ground waiting for some wind and the aerobe is gliding, turning, swooping, diving, and climbing.

i don't have enough time on the skate to comment.


Title: Re: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: tpatter on January 24, 2010, 10:44 PM
I think that when most folks go to the beach and buy a single line that they want to have some fun with, the Aerobe is just what they are looking for.

As far as I can tell, it has only one major flaw and that is its assembly - it just too difficult to put it together due to tension in inserting the spars.  Fix this, and its a total winner that's alot more fun that a typical single line kite.

Its the only kite that that has held my 7 year old daughters interest.

I know nothing about the Skate and have never flown one, but I'm sure its far better made and a much better flyer based on Focus reputation.


Title: Re: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: Kantaxel on January 24, 2010, 11:41 PM
I think the Aerobe is definitely worth sixty bucks.................Sure it's not a 61/49, (I'm expecting ours to show up tomorrow) but for a very small sum of money, a lot of fun can be had in a myriad of wind conditions and one doesn't have to worry about nose planting it, or even a lot worse. :-[

Just get a hold of Steve and get another one ;)

Jim


Title: Re: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: thief on January 25, 2010, 04:18 AM
yes in my thinking the price on the aerobe is a bit high.....
the assembly is a pita..there is a big chunky plastic nose piece that can break...IMO it does not fly phenomenally...it is a great kite for kids to run around with and beat into the ground....

remember when flying wings brought out their high end pricier sport kites??? guys were not happy with the price of those either!

I am just glad that I got a deal on the one that I have. and it does have a permanent place in my car to be able to fly at any time....I would just expect to see a 48$ tag on it but there are shops selling it for more (and that is great for them).....

not panning the aerobe. just it's price.


Title: Re: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: Carlton on January 25, 2010, 08:29 AM
Ok, so thanks for more input.  Aerobe's stock is rising.  But does it glide as well, or at least almost as well as the Skate?


Title: Re: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: thief on January 25, 2010, 08:33 AM
the aerobe does not glide like the skate......the skate is tuned by weight to achieve the glide you like with coins in the nose....
someone had mentioned putting weight on a aerobe - i am not certain if anyone ever tried that or not.....


Title: Re: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: kiten00b on January 25, 2010, 11:06 AM
There's an Aerobe video on our host's site (http://www.chicokites.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=300).

It's not the same as a Skate, but it does glide and is fun to fly in light breezes or something for the kids to run around with. I get lots of positive comments about the Aerobes with tails.


Title: Re: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: Fortflyer on January 25, 2010, 12:39 PM
Just so you guys know, The Aerobe has gone under a name change recently due to its similar spelling to another product.

Personally I wouldn't have changed it but you will see it's new name soon.

As far as the pricing goes I can't complain I got all mine for free :)

Between it and the skate they are 2 totally different animals IMHO my skate it the indoor go to glider along with a glider made by Daryl Yeh which in itself is a slow motion hovering amazement.

Outdoors the (Kite formally known as Aerobe) is really great it fly's when not much else will and its wind range makes it a always out unless its really honkin.


Title: Re: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: Steve Hall on January 25, 2010, 01:24 PM
Not crazy about it but the Aerobe has a new name.

(http://www.gwtwforum.com/images/wala.jpg)

Price remains the same ... $60 with Free Shipping (to US addresses


Title: Re: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: Steve Hall on January 25, 2010, 01:29 PM
FYI ... I will be putting up info this evening on Flying Wings new (US) offerings for 2010.


Title: Re: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: Jared on January 25, 2010, 01:30 PM
I think they misspelled Voilà!

Not crazy about it but the Aerobe has a new name.

([url]http://www.gwtwforum.com/images/wala.jpg[/url])

Price remains the same ... $60 with Free Shipping (to US addresses



Title: Re: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: Kantaxel on January 25, 2010, 04:39 PM
Not crazy about it but the Aerobe has a new name.

Price remains the same ... $60 with Free Shipping (to US addresses


So if we still call it by the now 'wrong name' (Aerobe)...................you'll know what we're talking about, right?


Title: Re: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: Steve Hall on January 25, 2010, 05:33 PM
I'll be leaving the former name up for at least the rest of the year.  Kind of like when the Mirage became the Hypnotist.  (I still catch my self referring to it as the Mirage)


Title: Re: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: normofthenorth on January 25, 2010, 06:42 PM
Do we think the name really is the common misspelling of the French voila?? I've even seen that spelling here: "Just do such-and-such, and -- Wala! -- you're all set!" Oh, well, it's still a fun and versatile kite. I think it's great value, too! Not a perfect glider unless it's "tended", but a fun and versatile kite.


Title: Re: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: lasapcheong on January 25, 2010, 07:04 PM
I have both and I love both of them. The Skate is best in true no wind environment as its gliding capabilities are simply awesome. It has more of a slo mo character. I wouldn’t fly it outdoors as a single line kite in 10mph-ish winds as well as the bow from the micro carbon across the spreaders can look pretty scary.

The Aerobe to me, is a much more versatile kite compared to the skate. It looks more rugged and I'm not afraid to fly it outdoors in 10mph-ish wind. A nose dive with the Aerobe can be more re-assuring compared to a nose dive with the Skate. The ability to tune the Aerobe by switching the cross spreaders either to the front or back of the sail plus its multiple bridle tow points for tuning is also a plus point.

Obviously the Aerobe would need a bit more minimum wind compared to the Skate outdoors as a single liner as it is heavier. I would think the Skate would be great in super lab grade outdoors smooth SUL level beach wind though.

In short, I think the Aerobe is definitely value for money. It may be maybe 10% - 20% more overpriced for some but the versatility and its ruggedness to me is worth it.

Indoors, the skate requires lesser effort. The ability to tune the nose weight using coins gives you multiple characteristics which can be extracted out of it as well. The Aerobe can still be flown indoors too, though a more active approach is required. I don’t think you can (unlike the skate), set it up for momentum for a flat horizontal glide and just drop the line. You need to tend the tension all the time.

Here’s one simple mod which we tried that will make the Aerobe glide a lot better indoors. Simply, loosen the tension line at the tail tip to reduce the bow in the spine. The idea is to make the spine as straight as possible. This will introduce a fair bit of slack in the sail. With this setup, we found that the Aerobe’s indoor (and outdoor low wind) gliding capabilities are enhanced – but not as good as the Skate of cos.

-Darryl


Title: Re: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: Moonfog on January 30, 2010, 06:11 AM
Speaking of the Skate, how well does the Manta fly and is it worth the $$$?


Title: Re: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: mikenchico on January 30, 2010, 10:06 AM
re: Manta

Flys very nice, when I first saw this video I thought it seemed a little ungainly because of the larger size but by the end when Hunter & Paul do a little pairs routine I was changing my mind

Flying the Manta - Indoors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHveW-vj0pA#normal)

and in those lab grade, barely there winds Darryl mentioned I've seen them sitting in the sky when nothing else was up without some work.

A Light Wind Evening with the Manta (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gl1ZsAtV0M&NR=1&feature=fvwp#normal)


Title: Re: Skate vs Aerobe
Post by: lad on April 20, 2010, 07:59 PM
FWIW: I posted a review of the Flick.
It's a different kind of animal (much smaller, for one)  - but another fun option in low winds.
Indoor flying hasn't interested me too much yet, so I don't know what it could do there.