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Title: iPad
Post by: Steve on January 27, 2010, 10:33 AM
Looks cool.  Have they mentioned price yet?

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/apple-creation-0097-rm-eng.jpg)


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: thief on January 27, 2010, 10:35 AM
not that i have seen........
just onto the aps part.......


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Steve on January 27, 2010, 10:38 AM
Sure it will be last.


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: thief on January 27, 2010, 10:48 AM
of course........


so far it is intriguing....i use an itouch for a lot of things and carry it almost all the time....but there is not way i am going to get one of these ipads for awhile.....hmm...maybe the website should buy me one ;)


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: thief on January 27, 2010, 11:03 AM
http://i.gizmodo.com/5458292/apple-ipad-everything-you-need-to-know (http://i.gizmodo.com/5458292/apple-ipad-everything-you-need-to-know)
63 minutes in and still no price....


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Steve on January 27, 2010, 11:14 AM
Getting close.  Data plan pricing now
$30 a month for unlimited 3G ... not too bad.


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Steve on January 27, 2010, 11:19 AM
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/apple-creation-0378-rm-eng.jpg)


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Steve on January 27, 2010, 11:22 AM
Let's se ... I could sell of a few TrickTails ... hmm


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Steve on January 27, 2010, 11:24 AM
Dock with keyboard
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/apple-creation-0384-rm-eng.jpg)


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: thief on January 27, 2010, 11:26 AM
ya beat me....
wow.......not bad.......
on att for 3g...


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: thief on January 27, 2010, 11:26 AM
i wonder if it might act as a repeater for wifi if it is on the 3g system...........hmmmm...


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: thief on January 27, 2010, 11:29 AM
obviously say goodbye to the kindle......
it has the epub format books as well as the rest of the bells and whistles that the kindle does not...and is only 100 more $.........


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Steve on January 27, 2010, 11:36 AM
Betting the Kindle drops in price plus it includes wireless networking which on the iPad will run $360 a year.


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: EnergonCube on January 27, 2010, 12:03 PM
well, the $360/yr is only for 3G wireless. Standard wireless is free.


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Steve on January 27, 2010, 12:16 PM
At $260 the Kindle includes 3G wireless.  Were I to actually consider the iPad the included wireless would be fine for me (I believe it also includes free access to ATT hot spots).


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Allen Carter on January 27, 2010, 12:50 PM
Betcha in a year the base model will be $299.

Although, right now, I'd spend $500 bucks on one of these before I'd buy a Windows netbook

I do probably 75% of my home computing on the iPhone now. It would be way better on the 'Pad. I'd have no need for the 3G since I have the iPhone. The Pad would live on the coffee table.

I'll get one next Christmas.



Title: Re: iPad
Post by: mikenchico on January 27, 2010, 03:03 PM
http://i.gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad (http://i.gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad)

 :D

Not capable of running Flash on the web? that rules out 95% of websites.

Can't multitask? Only one app at a time, one browser at a time? Don't know about you but I have 3 browsers open right now, my email program, Paint Shop Pro, M$ Word & Adobe reader on a Windows Netbook.

Plus this has a camera, an HDMI port, an RGB/VGA port, 3 USB ports, includes an internal microphone plus a microphone & headphone jack, along with a multi card reader, Wireless b/g and wired 10/100 networking (could've gotten an internal Verizon for a few dollars more), a PCMCIA slot, a 250 gig hard drive & 2 gig of RAM. Nine hours run time on the battery (and it does). All for $399. No touch screen though  :(  and it's debatable which one is cuter, mine looks like the new Sky Shark P2X's though.

Guess I'm still waiting ... for now I think I made the right choice for an ultra portable



Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Steve on January 27, 2010, 03:17 PM
Yup, there are several deal breakers (not that I am actually in the market).


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Moe on January 27, 2010, 03:29 PM
I'm kind of of mixed minds about it.  It sounds pretty cool, but it sort of sits in a lot of tech camps, and *may* be vulnerable in each.

It's a big threat to Kindle.  First, it's great to see competition there, since I'd hate to see Amazon become the default monopoly on publishing in the future.  But are you looking at $260 vs. $500, or $260 vs. $830?  That's (potentially) a pretty steep difference there.  Kindle's a uni-tasker; this is a multi-tasker.  But who provides the better service?  Is the Kindle's e-ink easier to read than Apple's glossy screen (is that even an issue anymore, or is that just a problem with older users?)?  Which one makes the better "book"?  If users feel Kindle does what it does, better than Apple, it should survive.  Proably the biggest knock against the Kindle there, is that it's not in a lot of stores, so people won't be able to see/compare easily; they'll get to see how slick and flashy the iPad is, and they'll buy it.  My guess is, you'll see a price cut AND a major retail push for the Kindle.

It'll also be interesting to see what it does for their product development.  The e-ink technology is kind of at the limits.  They can't really do colour.  Resolution isn't much of a factor.  So where do they go to become more competitive?

But it's also in the netbook camp.  Only more portable.  The added portability is great, and a big plus.  But again, you're looking at a $500 - $830 iPad vs. a $250 - $400 netbook.  And the netbook *probably* wins on specs.  Is the Apple-ness of it enough to overcome that?  All money aside, I'd probably go with the iPad, since it sounds like it it will have more utility than a netbook... but how often is "all money aside"?  ;)  Sure, it's way cheaper than a Macbook, but it still suffers from "Apple pricing", about double the competition, and that may hold them back in the same way it's held Macintosh from really becoming competitive/widely used (compared to Windows).

I can actually see it being more of a threat to laptops.  Why get a laptop for your home/office network when this is more portable, with decent utility.  Run it off your tower's WiFi network as a secondary computer.  Assuming it's rugged enough to compare, and powerful enough to use the necessary software.  But then, storage may be an issue, if you need to carry a lot of content (rather than just accessing it on your network).  And screen size; it may have a better battery, and can be used in new/different ways, but a 10" screen is pretty tiny compared to a 15/16/17" laptop.

Like I said, very cool, very interesting, great potential and I'd love to get one... but I don't know that it's guaranteed to succeed.


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: mikenchico on January 27, 2010, 03:41 PM
I'll agree the apps using multi-touch look pretty cool, but I tend to turn off all the eye candy on my PC's, roll down menu's, flipping pages, I just don't care much for that stuff.

I was fine with C: _




Title: Re: iPad
Post by: tpatter on January 27, 2010, 04:25 PM
Pretty exciting stuff - and we've got the state of the union address coming up to boot!  :)


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: kiten00b on January 27, 2010, 05:25 PM
a few concerns about the first generation iPad (http://i.gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad)


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: fworley on January 27, 2010, 08:05 PM
Ya think Gizmodo hated it ? Just wait till you read this from Engadget

  http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/editorial-engadget-on-the-ipad/ (http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/editorial-engadget-on-the-ipad/)

It sucks ... plain and simple, its a fugging Newton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_(platform)).

Next generation might well improve upon it - enabling multi-tasking, flash support, a superior screen technology (just try reading a book on a regular LCD display), wide screen movies, HDMI out, a camera, the ability to video conference, USB connectivity etc, etc.

Some aspects are just embarrassing here - one app at a time ? Really ? I can't listen to music whilst surfing the web ? I can't instant message and check email ? What decade are we in again ? No flash support ? Really ? So rather than getting a superior web browsing environment I'm actually only getting a half assed one ... which doesn't support full content. I can't believe they'd rush such an unfinished product to market. Early adopters are going to get royally screwed here once again. If you *must* have one - you really should wait ... half a year ? And get MkII, better screen, more memory, improved apps and system software and a camera perhaps for the same dough.

They'll be a Google Chrome / Android based alternative this year - I've not doubt it will be immeasurably more compelling.

-Frazer


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Allen Carter on January 27, 2010, 08:30 PM
I'm sitting on the sofa web surfing on the iPhone. In the last half hour I've been to all the usual sites and a few less usual. Right now, with all it's first generation limitations the iPad would be excelent for this daily activity. I'd use it even more than I currently use the iPhone. In other words, I'll have to sit down at the computer less often.

So for me, it fits my needs. The only real functionality issue is the lack of Flash support.  Since I'm already a heavy iPhone user I know how much (or how little) I miss. I think it's an acceptable (but stupid) configuration on a smartphone but really should get resolved for bigger browsers.


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: ndcmpc on January 27, 2010, 09:01 PM
Too funny that they named it the "iPad" and Steve Jobs was saying how much more intimate it was than a notebook.

Here is an old MadTV skit from several years ago about an "iPad".

Mad Tv - IPad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs#normal)


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Allen Carter on January 27, 2010, 09:43 PM
Classic!

I love the tag line "please don't make us explain how it works"

 :D :D :D :D :D



Title: Re: iPad
Post by: EnergonCube on January 28, 2010, 06:19 AM
Yep. Not having Flash sucks big time and I won't buy it for that simple fact. I'm a big Apple fan (have been for many years), but saying that the iPad is the "premiere way to experience the web" is an outright lie.  >:( No Flash mean 1/3 of the sites I visit and use would be useless.



Title: Re: iPad
Post by: JimB on January 28, 2010, 08:02 AM
I don't see it obsoleting the kindle without eInk.

The whole idea is to not have to read off a backlit screen.

Certainly a lot cheaper than expected.


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: fworley on January 28, 2010, 08:04 AM
I don't see it obsoleting the kindle without eInk.

The whole idea is to not have to read off a backlit screen.

Certainly a lot cheaper than expected.

But its not ... not really. $499 is for the crappy entry model. 3G is another $130 on top of that.

And let us not forget the $30 a month for the data plan (which I believe can't be shared with your iPhone)

-Frazer


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: JimB on January 28, 2010, 08:05 AM
Perhaps I should have specified a lot cheaper than I was expecting..

I was expecting just the hardware to be $1000.00 - $1500.00..


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: fworley on January 28, 2010, 10:39 AM

Hitler responds to the iPad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4&feature=player_embedded#)

-Frazer


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Allen Carter on January 28, 2010, 11:16 AM
Now I've finally figured out where all this angst is coming from. People have been dreaming, reading rumor sites, wishing for some uber-gizmo. Expectations. Gadget envy.

I haven't paid any attention to all that. The last time I even thought about an Apple tablet was 6 months ago and I just thought if they brought out an oversized iPod Touch it would be a good start. And they did.

People are way to wrapped up in this crap.


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: fworley on January 28, 2010, 11:22 AM
Now I've finally figured out where all this angst is coming from. People have been dreaming, reading rumor sites, wishing for some uber-gizmo. Expectations. Gadget envy.

You buy one of these and its "Gadget Pity" you'll be receiving from people ... I assure you.

-Frazer


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: steve.hobart on January 28, 2010, 12:10 PM
not sure why I would want to use this to buy ebooks when I can use the Public Library and share books with friends for free......(maybe just so I can save $ to buy more kites!!)


steve


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: kiten00b on January 28, 2010, 12:53 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Wo27t.jpg)


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: mikenchico on January 28, 2010, 02:47 PM

They'll be a Google Chrome / Android based alternative this year - I've not doubt it will be immeasurably more compelling.

-Frazer

I'm afraid the Google version may be strictly "Cloud" based like their upcoming OS and App's, useless unless your connected. I'm not excited about all my info & app's residing on somebody elses computer where I can only access them if I can find a hot spot. "Cloud" the new buzzword, "Pie in the sky" my definition  :D



Title: Re: iPad
Post by: fworley on January 28, 2010, 02:48 PM

They'll be a Google Chrome / Android based alternative this year - I've not doubt it will be immeasurably more compelling.

-Frazer

I'm afraid the Google version may be strictly "Cloud" based like their upcoming OS and App's, useless unless your connected. I'm not excited about all my info & app's residing on somebody elses computer where I can only access them if I can find a hot spot. "Cloud" the new buzzword, "Pie in the sky" my definition  :D

Of course - next generation device will be "always" on and "always" connected ;)

-Frazer


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: mdilucca on January 28, 2010, 03:18 PM
hey I heard that you can attach a line in each corner and fly it as a quad  (Ipadquad) ;D ;D

Here is the competition for Revolution!!!  ::) ::)

Cheers
Mario


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Allen Carter on January 28, 2010, 03:18 PM
Now I've finally figured out where all this angst is coming from. People have been dreaming, reading rumor sites, wishing for some uber-gizmo. Expectations. Gadget envy.

You buy one of these and its "Gadget Pity" you'll be receiving from people ... I assure you.

-Frazer

Exactly my point.

The people who are way too wrapped up in this crap.


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: mikenchico on January 28, 2010, 03:37 PM
That would be nice but I live out in the sticks, not going to happen anytime time soon, it's only been a year since I was able to get off a 26.4 analog dial-up connection. And until there is some type of security written into the web itself this is a far too dangerous playground to trust everything to IMO.

Gadgets ... really I'm trying to unclutter my life. Now I need an iPad to carry along with my laptop, phone, GPS, reader, voice recorder, MP3 player, portable DVD player, camera, video cam, thumb dirive, card reader, along with half dozen chargers, a dozen cords, headphones & adapters. Then there's the writing pad & pencil for when none of those will do the job. It's no wonder we have to drive SUV's.



Title: Re: iPad
Post by: tpatter on January 28, 2010, 04:01 PM
From all I've heard - once you actually pick this thing up and play with, you will want one.

I'm more than content with my 13" aluminum Macbook for now - its small, powerful, light, and just a joy to use.  My iPod Touch is close to 3 years old now, but still works like a charm. 

I'm thinking this device is primarily for folks that may not even have a computer right now because they are too complex to setup, use, and maintain.  Kids are going to love this thing - and they are the users of the future.  The days of requiring a keyboard and mouse in order to effectively use a computer are numbered.


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: fworley on January 28, 2010, 04:11 PM
The days of requiring a keyboard and mouse in order to effectively use a computer are numbered.

What utter rot.

Can you imagine actually *working* on a tablet ?

Tapping away all day on a piece of glass ?

Oh yes - that must be the very height of comfort and ergonomics.

-Frazer


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: mdilucca on January 28, 2010, 04:14 PM
The days of requiring a keyboard and mouse in order to effectively use a computer are numbered.

What utter rot.

Can you imagine actually *working* on a tablet ?

Tapping away all day on a piece of glass ?

Oh yes - that must be the very height of comfort and ergonomics.

-Frazer


My neck hurts already......


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: tpatter on January 28, 2010, 04:43 PM
The days of requiring a keyboard and mouse in order to effectively use a computer are numbered.

What utter rot.

Can you imagine actually *working* on a tablet ?

Tapping away all day on a piece of glass ?

Oh yes - that must be the very height of comfort and ergonomics.

-Frazer



I totally agree, but most people do not sit and type at a computer all day.


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: fworley on January 28, 2010, 04:48 PM
I totally agree, but most people do not sit and type at a computer all day.

I think you'll find an increasing number of people do ... including the children you mention ... how long before little Peter and Jane are required to take their lessons on a laptop ? (Indeed, children in the "third world" are already doing so)

I'm not an Apple basher per se ... I'm using an iMac now (and its the bee knees) - but nevertheless I think this product offering blows.

-Frazer


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Jared on January 28, 2010, 04:58 PM
([url]http://i.imgur.com/Wo27t.jpg[/url])


I came here to post this exact image :)

It sums up how I feel, though.  This thing is an iPod Touch that's too big to put in your pocket.  As cool an idea as the app store is, I'd rather be able to load anything I want on the iPad, not just the apps that Apple approves.

This post was made on a MacBook Pro


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: mikenchico on January 28, 2010, 07:56 PM
I'm anxiously awaiting John W's take on this.



Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Jeff on January 29, 2010, 08:51 AM
I'm in the market for a portable computer, so I was waiting on this product to see what it offered. Now I can go back to netbook shopping. The iPad is simply not a computer. Not in the sense that I know and want. It's a different class of device. It's one that has extremely targeted uses that it does well, but are too limited for me. I don't need a big iPod. I have an iPod touch.

Doesn't do Flash, doesn't have any common i/o ports. Can't run programs that I want and need. If I wanted a slick and shiny eBook reader and web browser, sure, I'd be all over it. But I want a more versatile tool at that size and cost.

(When pricing these things out, be aware that if you want GPS, you have to get the 3G enabled model, BTW)

Slickness and coolness factor: 10
Versatility and usefulness (for me): 2
Value at the price: 3

If someone wants to give me one, I'll be happy to play with it. It would be nice to have a big browser I could use on the couch. But it's nowhere near being close to separating me from the amount of money they want.

Now, back to shopping for a proper netbook,,,


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: mikenchico on January 29, 2010, 01:40 PM
**Jeff** I got the Toshiba T115-S1100 (http://laptops.toshiba.com/laptops/satellite/T100/T115-S1100) and am pleased so far, a giant step above a netbook for just a few dollars more, got mine for $400. The Intel Atoms with Intel graphics chip don't do flash well either if your research it under "Net Top", they don't say it in netbook reviews. Win7 starter is a little over crippled for my tastes too. This has a Celeron Processor and Win7 Premium and a better graphics chip (still the embeded intel but suitable) The screen is 1.4" + bigger then the netbooks but the form factor is still tiny. It fits, barely, in a netbook case. And the trackpad is bigger then just two fingers tall & 3 wide with the buttons under it, a big issue for me on most netbooks, side buttons make any graphics work impossible.


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: thief on February 01, 2010, 08:42 AM
here is a chart that compares a handful of e-readers to the ipad...interesting to see...
http://paidcontent.org/table/e-reader-comparison-chart/ (http://paidcontent.org/table/e-reader-comparison-chart/)

i got an email from apple on saturday that is pushing customized ipods for valentines days....i and i noticed that apple is trying to now coin and apply the phrase "pocket computer" for the itouch and most likely then the ipad as well........


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: kiten00b on February 01, 2010, 08:51 AM
I guess you're supposed to wear JNCOS (http://www.heartlessdoll.com/jnco.jpg) to use the iPad as a "pocket computer".  ::)


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Dano on February 01, 2010, 03:16 PM
Who had the graphic comparison up of the ipad and the toshiba netbook?
I'd really like to see that again.


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: mikenchico on February 01, 2010, 06:52 PM
I had done a text of the features on my Toshiba Ultra Portable, it's well above a netbook spec wise for only $50-70 more then their netbook, link to the toshiba T115-S1100 just above. Still not everything I would like. I would really like a similarly featured tablet, ideally a full power tablet, there are things close but rather expensive. Toshiba (I think) does a Laptop/Tablet convertable iincorporating a Wacom pressure sensitive touch screen for graphics use, I would love to have that, just gotta justify $1500-$1800.





Title: Re: iPad
Post by: John Welden on February 05, 2010, 04:51 PM
I got caught up in the hype and was expecting more from the iPad.  Now that I've come back to earth, I think it's probably going to be a successful product. I'll have to try one out before I have a strong opinion on it. If I don't like it, I won't buy one, it's not a big deal.

I don't think multitasking is as important on mobile devices.  99% of the time I'm fine with how the iPhone works.  I figure the iPad will be about the same experience.  I can't use Pandora while I type an email, I'll live. I deeply believe in the KISS principle and greatly respect Apple for using it.  I'll take simplicity and elegance over feature gloat any day.

I like the idea of Apple trying to kill Flash.  You want your website to work on our zillion devices? Better not use flash.  It's a crap product that could have been great if Adobe didn't suck. 

I think it's important to take a step back and realize how insanely great the computer technology we have is.  Think about how ridiculous it sounds to complain that your phone only has a 2 mega pixel camera instead of a 4 mega pixel.  I CANT EVEN MULTI TAST ON MY iPHONE!!!!!! OH dear lord, what am I going to do!  An hour ago I was sitting on the beach sending my friend a MMS picture from my damn phone.  I'm in the middle of the freaking Pacific ocean! (Kauai)  They have 3G out here?!?!  Internet?! You've got to be out of your mind to not appreciate how amazing this technology is.  Apple and others make these incredible products, sell them for relatively cheap and we have the balls to complain?



Title: Re: iPad
Post by: mikenchico on February 05, 2010, 07:59 PM
...
I like the idea of Apple trying to kill Flash.  You want your website to work on our zillion devices? Better not use flash.  It's a crap product that could have been great if Adobe didn't suck. 
...

I was more then pleased to hear Job's Dis' Flash, I've been doing it for years but thought I was the only one. More power to Apple if they hasten it's demise. Now if we could get the government to dump Acrobat so the rest of us could too.





Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Steve on February 06, 2010, 04:26 PM
Amen to the demise of Flash (and Acrobat).  Hopefully with the advent of HTML we will see the end of the need for all the various plug-in's we've become accustomed (numb) to.

I can see a use for the iPad and if I had a boat load of money I would be first in line to get one ... of course if I had a boat load of money I'd also be driving a 911 and living in Kamuela ... but no chance of that ever happening.

BTW ... here's the property I have my eye on http://www.horseclicks.com/properties/t59zly/ (http://www.horseclicks.com/properties/t59zly/)

What say we start a little charity drive to make Chris' and my dreams come true  :D


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: fworley on February 06, 2010, 04:47 PM
I don't think multitasking is as important on mobile devices.  99% of the time I'm fine with how the iPhone works.  I figure the iPad will be about the same experience.  I can't use Pandora while I type an email, I'll live. I deeply believe in the KISS principle and greatly respect Apple for using it.  I'll take simplicity and elegance over feature gloat any day.

Perhaps not - but I don't think its unreasonable to expect to be able to listen to music whilst surfing. Or have your iPad notify you of incoming mail etc.

Future generations *will* do this - because - the underlying-and-much-vaunted-for-no-apparent-reason-processor is capable of this.

Its only the iPhone v3.2 OS layer which prevents multi-tasking - I wonder if v4.0 will remove this restriction ?

I like the idea of Apple trying to kill Flash.  You want your website to work on our zillion devices? Better not use flash.  It's a crap product that could have been great if Adobe didn't suck. 

Well ... even if Flash were to die out ... its going to take several years for that to happen. So users will be seeing those little blue boxes where the Flash content should be for a long time to come yet.

Whats more - Job's stance is both petty and hypocritical. This from the protectionist leader of the company who aggressively tie people into their hardware, software and purchased media. If he really believed in open standards and such - surely he'd do something to support and encourage them ?
 
I think it's important to take a step back and realize how insanely great the computer technology we have is.  Think about how ridiculous it sounds to complain that your phone only has a 2 mega pixel camera instead of a 4 mega pixel.  I CANT EVEN MULTI TAST ON MY iPHONE!!!!!! OH dear lord, what am I going to do!  An hour ago I was sitting on the beach sending my friend a MMS picture from my damn phone.  I'm in the middle of the freaking Pacific ocean! (Kauai)  They have 3G out here?!?!  Internet?! You've got to be out of your mind to not appreciate how amazing this technology is.  Apple and others make these incredible products, sell them for relatively cheap and we have the balls to complain?

But you are absolutely right here ... the power of these devices is getting quite ridiculous. Next gen processors are dual then quad core. Think about that, quad core processors in your cellphone. You need this sort of horsepower why ?

And again, for the record, I'm no Apple hater ... we uses Mac's ... if the iPad had been a more compelling device I might have been tempted. I might well be for generation 2 or 3 when they address some of the issues which concern me.

-Frazer


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: tpatter on February 06, 2010, 09:14 PM
You can listening to music and surf at the same time, just like the iPhone and touch.  You also get notifications from email, SMS messages, rss, etc whatever you are doing.  Apple has already worked this out with the iPhone.
   


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: fworley on February 07, 2010, 04:33 AM
You can listening to music and surf at the same time, just like the iPhone and touch.  You also get notifications from email, SMS messages, rss, etc whatever you are doing.  Apple has already worked this out with the iPhone.


My bad - I should have been more specific .. from here: http://venturebeat.com/2010/01/28/5-reasons-not-to-buy-an-ipad/ (http://venturebeat.com/2010/01/28/5-reasons-not-to-buy-an-ipad/)

You can only one run non-Apple application at a time. iPad runs the iPhone operating system, not Mac OS X. The official documentation for software developers states clearly that thereís no ďmultitaskingĒ ó only one non-Apple-built-in application can run at a time on the iPad. Presuming it works like a current iPhone or iPod Touch, you can listen to iTunes and read a book at the same time, but you canít listen to Pandora and read a book at the same time. If you make a Skype call, you canít punch up another app during the conversation. Twitterholics will find themselves hopping back and forth awkwardly between apps. In short, iPad is not a MacBook replacement. If youíre a content creator, youíll be stumped."

because ... not everbody uses iTunes as their soul (pun intended) music source shocker  ???

-Frazer


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Lee S on February 07, 2010, 09:30 AM
Is it just me, or when looking at the pictures of Steve Jobs holding the iPad does anyone else think it makes Jobs look like a Hobbit holding an iPhone?  Makes me laugh every time.


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Allen Carter on February 07, 2010, 10:21 AM
A hobbit that's just been to Mt Doom, maybe.


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: John Welden on February 07, 2010, 11:51 AM
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but you canít listen to Pandora and read a book at the same time. If you make a Skype call, you canít punch up another app during the conversation. Twitterholics will find themselves hopping back and forth awkwardly between apps. In short, iPad is not a MacBook replacement. If youíre a content creator, youíll be stumped.[/i]"

because ... not everbody uses iTunes as their soul (pun intended) music source shocker  ???
-Frazer

Their strategy of not designing for the fringe seems to really be hurting them.  They only made record profits last quarter.  This is the same sort of complaint that everyone was screaming about when the iPhone came out.  NO REMOVABLE BATTERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH DEAR LORD!  Apple figured out that .01% of users change out batteries.  Their laptops don't even have removable batteries anymore.  The rest of the industry will follow as usual.


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: fworley on February 07, 2010, 02:54 PM
Their strategy of not designing for the fringe seems to really be hurting them .... Their laptops don't even have removable batteries anymore.  The rest of the industry will follow as usual.

And their computer represent what percentage of total sales ? Are they even in double figures ? Is that not the fringe ?

As for the iPhone ... well ... lets see the market appears to have largely caught up ... then again Steve might unveil something very clever with the next (4.0) update. Then again ... he might it might just be another (damp squib of an) iPad type announcement.

The iPhone is a great product ... there is no denying it ... it was a game changer ... but the iPad is no such a product - not in its current incarnation / revision at least. But like I said, I have no doubt subsequent versions will be a good deal more compelling - and I do look forward to those.

-Frazer


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: John Welden on February 07, 2010, 04:23 PM

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And their computer represent what percentage of total sales ? Are they even in double figures ? Is that not the fringe ?

Good point, but I guess I could still argue that they'd be marketing to the fringe of the fringe. No money there. Same thing with ultra tricked out sport kites and a million other products.

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As for the iPhone ... well ... lets see the market appears to have largely caught up ... then again Steve might unveil something very clever with the next (4.0) update. Then again ... he might it might just be another (damp squib of an) iPad type announcement.

Seems to me that the other guys still have a long while to catch up. Not in features but in user interface.  Plus Apple has iTunes and the app store.  Hard to beat those and they are a big deal for users.  Apple is king of UI.  The user experience is unmatched in my opinion, it's f'ing brilliant. A joy to use.

I've got most of what I want with iPhone 3.0.   What are they really going to do with 4.0 that's going to make my experience so much better?  Video conferencing? Meh, cool but won't use it. Multitasking, meh, not really a big deal for my phone.   Cloud server that stores all my data?  Could be cool but I don't even use iTunes right now.   I wouldn't mind a better camera and longer battery.  I'd love faster and more reliable internet but that's ATT. 

I can't remember the last time Apple had a big flop on a major product.  I doubt they're going to strike out with the iPad. It's hard to imagine Apple being that dumb these days.  At a minimum, the user is going to have an iPhone experience on a 10 inch screen that weight 1.5lbs and is .5 inches thick. Hard to go wrong with that recipe.

(Apple TV is pretty lame and even Apple acknowledges that) (The mighty mouse sucked sh*t) (The magic mouse sucks sh*t in my opinion)   Apple has a problem making mice.


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: fworley on February 07, 2010, 04:31 PM
I'd love faster and more reliable internet but that's ATT. 

Rumors persist that a Verizon version will be available this year. I do believe AT&T's exclusivity is up in '10.

I can't remember the last time Apple had a big flop on a major product. 

Well - I think I could argue Apple TV is pretty much a flop.

I doubt they're going to strike out with the iPad. It's hard to imagine Apple being that dumb these days.  At a minimum, the user is going to have an iPhone experience on a 10 inch screen that weight 1.5lbs and is .5 inches thick. Hard to go wrong with that recipe.

I think its a couple of things - first to market with a cheapish tablet format

And "Field Of Dreams" esque "build it and they will come"

And he could well be right ... but I don't think v1.0 will be an outstanding success.

And FWIW I like my Apple mouse - its not the latest trick one - but the previous version - I sure prefer to what I
had to use in the office on my Windows / Linux setup.

-Frazer


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: John Welden on February 07, 2010, 06:24 PM
The mighty mouse that has the ball scroll deal bob, doesn't work after a while.  I think I had 3 of them.  A lot of complaints out there on that mouse.  I like the function of the mouse, it just doesn't last.

I'm shocked that they're allowing you to use the iPhone apps you've already bought on the iPad without paying again.  Apple is supposed to take as much of my money as possible, aren't they?

It will be interesting to see the iPad drop in price in the next few years. $300 would be hard to resist for a lot of people.  Toss one on your kitchen counter, toss one on your coffee table, I could see myself doing that.  I'd love if all the magazines I subscribe to were digital.

Android will have to be insanely great for me to switch over.  I'm onboard with Apple until something way better comes along.  Regardless of brand, think where we will be in only five years.  It's going to be great.

I want an implant in my brain so I just have to think about what I want to do and it will show up in my internal vision/hearing.   :P


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: tpatter on February 07, 2010, 07:26 PM
Gotta agree on Apple's mice - they are just not up to the rest of their products in usability.

The mighty mouse is still my favorite, but the ball does get stuck when dirt gets in there.  I hold the mouse upside down and quickly spin the ball this way and that; it clears it out for another few weeks.  Despite this, its still the best mouse that I've ever used.

I bought the new magic mouse hoping it would solve all my issues, but its just not as ergonomic as the previous one.  Its works great and looks cool, but I think it is too flat.  Also, scrolling requires too much movement of the fingers - for extended work/scrolling, the previous mouse works much better.

What they really need to come out with is a trackpad mouse that works like the trackpad on the Mac Pros - I love everything about how that works, especially the various swipes.  I imagine Logitech or someone makes something, but I haven't checked into it.

 


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Allen Carter on February 08, 2010, 08:38 AM
(The mighty mouse sucked sh*t) (The magic mouse sucks sh*t in my opinion)   Apple has a problem making mice.

Maybe that's why/because they are so hot on touch technology.  :)


(the trackpad on my Macbook Pro is awesome, but I use a three year old Microsoft Intellimouse and a Dell keyboard on the desk. The recent Apple keyboards are pretty hard to take, too)


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Jeff on February 09, 2010, 10:08 AM


What they really need to come out with is a trackpad mouse that works like the trackpad on the Mac Pros - I love everything about how that works, especially the various swipes.  I imagine Logitech or someone makes something, but I haven't checked into it.

 

Sure, use an iPhone or touch as a trackpad for any PC...

http://blog.logitech.com/2010/01/29/new-logitech-touch-mouse-turns-your-iphone-or-ipod-touch-into-a-wireless-trackpad-and-keyboard/ (http://blog.logitech.com/2010/01/29/new-logitech-touch-mouse-turns-your-iphone-or-ipod-touch-into-a-wireless-trackpad-and-keyboard/)


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: Jeff on February 09, 2010, 10:23 AM


Their strategy of not designing for the fringe seems to really be hurting them.  They only made record profits last quarter.  This is the same sort of complaint that everyone was screaming about when the iPhone came out.  NO REMOVABLE BATTERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH DEAR LORD!  Apple figured out that .01% of users change out batteries.  Their laptops don't even have removable batteries anymore.  The rest of the industry will follow as usual.
I don't believe that at all. Sure, some design or interface features will be followed, but nobody is following the no removable battery angle after all this time. I LOVE having 2 batteries for my Droid. I can drain the heck out of the battery without thinking about it since I can swap in a new charged one and easily make it through a day of heavy use.

As far as the iPad goes, people just need to remember that it's not a computer. If you need a computer, get something else. If you want a reader device, browser, game playing device, portable video player, by all means get an iPad. It will be good at what it is designed for. People will come up with some cool and fun ways to use it.

It's at an interesting price point. Seems $499 would be good enough to spur a lot of early adoption. But if I were getting one (which I'm not) I'd want GPS in it, and that's an extra $130 right there.

I think that we may see a price drop after the initial release, as we did with the original iPhone. And beyond that, I expect that version 2 will incorporate something that users find lacking in version 1, whatever that might be.

I think it's generally a neat idea that's just a bit ahead of it's time, and I'll thank the early adopters to help iron out the kinks before I get on board someday, if I ever do. It's not worth the investment to me at this time.

And I say all this as an Apple shareholder, iPod touch owner, and Android phone owner. I have no religious zealotry for either side of the Apple wars, I just decide what things fit into the way I do things. There's lots I like about the way Apple does things, and lots that I can't stand. It's complicated.  :-\


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: thief on February 09, 2010, 01:25 PM
language nsfw...
Matt Damon's iPad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0rgjV9Y6jA#normal)
http://blogwillhunting.com/ipad (http://blogwillhunting.com/ipad)

he he he he he he


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: kiten00b on June 02, 2010, 03:19 PM
AT&T Just Killed Unlimited Wireless Data. (http://gizmodo.com/5553418/att-just-killed-unlimited-wireless-data-and-screwed-everybody-in-the-process)


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: tpatter on June 02, 2010, 04:35 PM
This new pricing from AT&T will make it more likely that I will get an iPad.  If you don't use the 3G service much (less than 250MB/month) then its only $15/month.

I am almost always on/near wifi and only want/need occasional 3G access which will for sure be less than 250MB per month.  The only reason I don't have an iPhone is that there is no  way I am paying $100/month in order to be able to use it - Hell, I don't even like talking on the phone.  Using Skype on the iPad with wifi and this $15 plan, I can make all the calls I need to for only $15/month.  Thats a pretty good deal if it works for you.


Title: Re: iPad
Post by: thief on June 04, 2010, 06:16 AM
http://www.notionink.in/adamoverview.php (http://www.notionink.in/adamoverview.php)
now that is tasty!!!!