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Title: Winter flight: Nirvana SUL & Ozone
Post by: Svolazzo on February 08, 2010, 10:43 AM
Hi, here are some pics of a low wind winter flying session with my Nirvana SUL and an Ozone. I enjoy so much to fly on the beach on winter: only a few people, the sea, the nature......so nice!  :)
More pics on my webshot pages: http://community.webshots.com/user/BenaPa59 (http://community.webshots.com/user/BenaPa59)
I wish to share, hoping you like them.

(http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/44840/2317823430105122638S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2317823430105122638CUuANJ)

(http://inlinethumb02.webshots.com/34561/2169956800105122638S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2169956800105122638AKIANG)

(http://inlinethumb34.webshots.com/43809/2199693750105122638S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2199693750105122638WPGvdX)

(http://inlinethumb34.webshots.com/45793/2845465600105122638S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2845465600105122638YEbnEm)

(http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/43926/2770734620105122638S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2770734620105122638pIdbAP)

(http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/19474/2340778230105122638S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2340778230105122638Kgltql)

(http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/14990/2027125480105122638S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2027125480105122638qjsDQJ)

(http://inlinethumb51.webshots.com/43250/2581373060105122638S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2581373060105122638JggTgm)


Title: Re: Winter flight: Nirvana SUL & Ozone
Post by: fidelio on February 08, 2010, 03:01 PM
they're all good pictures but the top one is outstanding, very well done.
this photo needs to be in a calendar!


Title: Re: Winter flight: Nirvana SUL & Ozone
Post by: adx1592 on February 08, 2010, 04:14 PM
my fav is the 1st one of the ozone. Gorgeous!
hope the fly was enjoyable!


Title: Re: Winter flight: Nirvana SUL & Ozone
Post by: Svolazzo on February 08, 2010, 04:44 PM
Yes Devin, it was a very nice session with the Ozone, I made all the old school repertoire: side slides, slow axels and pinwheels, half axels, 540s, fades etc.
Pics were shoot by my wife, I will tell her about your nice comments. I optimized some of them with photoshop.
 


Title: Re: Winter flight: Nirvana SUL & Ozone
Post by: chilese on February 08, 2010, 05:38 PM
I too enjoyed the photos. As Darren, my favorite is the first one. You had mentioned Photoshop optimization and I would love to see this photo voted on in the next calendar.

Unable to download the photo, I merely did a screen capture of the largest photo I could make on my monitor. The photo was then cropped to approximately the format for the calendar. The upper photo shows the screen capture levels and the lower photo shows the photo after doing a level adjust only. I don't know how close the screen capture is to your actual photo, but you many want to check your levels. If they are compressed, an expansion may give you an image which shows off the kite and surroundings a bit more. I did not try any color adjustment.

Thanks for sharing.  :)
Clickable link:
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_3waCPW86CRA/S3C7G5Oo09I/AAAAAAAARAU/ofrKwYD4D5o/s400/Level%20Adjust.jpg) (http://picasaweb.google.com/chilesej/Temporary#5436050477352014802)


Title: Re: Winter flight: Nirvana SUL & Ozone
Post by: fidelio on February 08, 2010, 05:59 PM
way to ruin a perfectly good photo john.  >:(
sometimes, life is about subtlety.


Title: Re: Winter flight: Nirvana SUL & Ozone
Post by: chilese on February 08, 2010, 06:05 PM
Just one man's opinion Darren.

I don't believe the photo was ruined, merely another option presented. Considering Photoshop was being used, you are already looking at 2 points of view different than the camera took originally.

If the photo was the Dance of the 7 Veils, I merely removed 2 of the veils. There are still a few more.

If life is about subtlety, then you are truly the romantic European and I, the ugly American.  ::)


Title: Re: Winter flight: Nirvana SUL & Ozone
Post by: Dano on February 08, 2010, 06:34 PM
 :o :o :o

Darren  :-[


Title: Re: Winter flight: Nirvana SUL & Ozone
Post by: fidelio on February 08, 2010, 08:11 PM
Why stop with levels?

(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2677/svollazosulmanipulated2.jpg) (http://img62.imageshack.us/i/svollazosulmanipulated2.jpg/)

of course, i joke, but i do prefer the original for many reasons.


Title: Re: Winter flight: Nirvana SUL & Ozone
Post by: chilese on February 08, 2010, 08:53 PM
Levels of originality

1 The actual event as seen by the photographer
2 The camera's ability to capture the moment with its limited gamut
3 Whatever the photographer did in Photoshop using their monitor
4 The uploaded & compressed (.jpg) image on Webshots viewed through our monitors
5 My screen capture, level adjust and upload to Picasa
6 Your comparison of the 2
7 Your excellent over the top 3rd interpretation

While there are many who consider the photograph "final" when the button on the camera is pushed, there are those of us who view that as one of the steps along the way. Considering I am but one of the type who will go back weeks later and re-touchup a photo, who can leave well enough alone?

When I use to paint, I knew the painting was done when the realization of the last stroke being too much crashed inside my brain.
_____________________

What you saw as subtle, I saw as level compressed, much like the old Dolby process did with music. For all either of us know, the photo may have been closer to mine and the photographers added the compression post-processing to add "subtlety".

Subjective views are just that. Nothing right or wrong, just what one prefers. After all, many digital cameras are given "punchy" colors because the manufacturers know that's what most people want. We don't want accuracy. That's why Tom Cruise moved all those bass sliders up in Risky Business.

But thank you for being a voice of reason in a world of "too much".  :)


Title: Re: Winter flight: Nirvana SUL & Ozone
Post by: Allen Carter on February 08, 2010, 08:56 PM
fidelio's should be in http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/ (http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/)    :D


Title: Re: Winter flight: Nirvana SUL & Ozone
Post by: tpatter on February 08, 2010, 08:58 PM
Great photo!

As for the post-processing.....  

All I can say is that I would much prefer to view the 2nd picture (the one John "leveled") on my iPad!  Even if I can't listen to Pandora in the background.

:)


Title: Re: Winter flight: Nirvana SUL & Ozone
Post by: KaoS on February 08, 2010, 10:06 PM
way to ruin a perfectly good photo john.  >:(
sometimes, life is about subtlety.

...and some girls think bleached hair looks good


Title: Re: Winter flight: Nirvana SUL & Ozone
Post by: fidelio on February 08, 2010, 10:21 PM
Subjective views are just that. Nothing right or wrong, just what one prefers.

you're absolutely right, and thus should "correct" your own artwork, not others.

(http://cdn.holytaco.com/www/sites/default/files/images/2009/11/mona-lisa-afghanistan.png)


Title: Re: Winter flight: Nirvana SUL & Ozone
Post by: obijuankenobe on February 09, 2010, 01:06 AM
Wow.  Fierce discussion.  Hard for me to believe that nowadays anyone would even debate about Photoshop levels adjustments.  I only say this because EVERYTHING is photoshopped nowadays.  (And, nothing was ever adjusted in the development process of old...no, never.   ::)  )   

I think it's a very worthy discussion, with points to be won on both sides.  Please continue.  :)

obi


Title: Re: Winter flight: Nirvana SUL & Ozone
Post by: chilese on February 09, 2010, 01:25 AM
Darren,

I did not correct anyone. I merely presented information on how a photo would look using a different approach and suggested he check it out.

If he is aware of it already, he can ignore my suggestion. Many people do.

If he is not aware of it, he will have found an additional way to look at a photo in the future.

In either case, he will end up with the photo being the way he wants it to.

I'm not claiming to be the greatest post-processing guru on the planet or even this Forum. There are several professional photographers (past and present), yourself included who frequent this Forum.

But one of the reasons this Forum exists is to exchange ideas and options on how we do things, whether it's perfecting a trick, playing with a photo or movie, or figuring out which Apple product is good or bad.

If I have been offensive on this subject at any point to Svolazzo, please show me where. Did I come across as all high'n'mighty with a Level Adjust suggestion with example?

I'm done. Interesting though. Love the veils on Lisa. She looks hot. Maybe subtle is good.  ;)


Title: Re: Winter flight: Nirvana SUL & Ozone
Post by: mikenchico on February 09, 2010, 02:00 AM
I can see where John saw the photo as a little flat, it is. That may have been the artist's intention, or it may have been a product of the overcast day. An automatic histogram stretch places it somewhere between the original post and John's retouch and brings out some detail in the clouds and adds a little contrast by bringing out the full range of shades and is independant of the platform your working on since you are making no interpretations or decisions other then that the photo contains 1 pure white pixel and 1 pure black pixel somewhere so you don't muss things up.

For those who may not know the function of a histogram stretch it finds the whitest pixel in a photo and makes it a pure white and the blackest pixel in the photo and makes it a pure black then adjusts all the shades between up or down from a neutral point thus giving the photo a full range of shades rather then a flat feeling like it was shot in the fog.

I often play with other peoples pictures, for my own use, many times it's to take out overdone adjustments if I see them detracting from what I imagine the original was, or to balance pictures possibly adjusted on an unbalanced monitor and now having an unatural color cast, or to correct photo's done on an Apple to balance them correctly to my PC's. Unless I've been asked to they never see it.

I'll also confess if it was my picture I probably would've taken some of the same steps as John did before publishing it, I like them to "Pop" too. Overcast days or fog often recieve that histogram stretch treatment. The artist may have had a different interpretation as suggested.

Remember too John works on an older Apple and they often render .jpgs darker then PC's hence the washed out sky, loss of any detail in the clouds, and glare off the pilot in his version, might look fine on his screen.



Title: Re: Winter flight: Nirvana SUL & Ozone
Post by: Svolazzo on February 09, 2010, 03:40 AM
First of all, thanks everybody for al your kind comments, and about the great option to vote my pic for the next calendar.....you would make me extremely happy and proud  :)
About Photoshop optimization, maybe I used a slightly improper word (maybe my not optimized english  ;)  )
however, I didn't made any level or whatever else correction on it, but I posted just as my camera (nikon d70s with 70/300 zoom on) shot it. The only work I did was to correct the tilt, indeed the original one featured the sea on the background very tilted so I rotated the picture and cloned the sand, the sea and the sky to have the sea perfectly orizontal.
The pic was shoot in the evening of a cloudy and grey day, so I can understand that somebody may want to give it more light and life to the colours.
What Chilese did was simply an option to have a different light on the pic and I don't feel any offense in this, you may like the "leveled" one or the original (untouched) one: it's only your choice  ;)
I did't thought to adjust level but now I'm going to play with them, even though I'm not a Photoshop expert, just to see what I will pull out.


Title: Re: Winter flight: Nirvana SUL & Ozone
Post by: fidelio on February 09, 2010, 03:44 AM
obi, nah, john and i fly together every week, always having a fun time. he knows i have great reverence and respect for he and his collection of photos. this doesn't mean i'll always agree with him though. i'm sure next time we fly we'll have a chuckle about my preposterous rendition.

in this particular case, to me, there's message which is washed away when you brighten the image up, and it moves from being a great photograph, to being a great kite photo. the way svolazzo presented the image, it has more substance.

to each his own.

john, why so serious? didn't mean to bug you pal, seriously.
svolazzo, i'm sorry your thread was hijacked, and i love your picture.