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Title: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: Boogie on March 03, 2010, 01:06 PM
I've been lurking around here for the last few months and finally decided to sign up after I purchased a new Quantum to sort of step into the higher end of kites. 
Years ago, when I was a teenager, I bought a stunt kite from wal-mart or toys-r-us.  I flew it a few times but never really got into it.  As a teenager, other things took priority...work, women, etc.  I got married last year and we were at my parents house looking through some old stuff I had stored when I moved out 8 years ago and I found my old Gayla stunt kite.  I got it out and took it to my wife's family farm to fly.  We had a blast with it, but realized it would only fly very well in higher winds, thus prompting me and my inquisitive nature to do some research.  Of course I began to realize there was a whole 'nother realm of kites beyond what is sold at wal-mart and toys-r-us.  After a bit of reading and browsing, I decided on the Quantum.  Of course I'm already looking at a Zephyr and an Aerobe (Wala, whatever) to add to the collection later, but that's just the way I tend to do things...I can't just buy one thing and be done with it. 

Anyhow, I received my quantum today (bought it on ebay, sorry chico) and noticed a couple things.  It was listed as new and that Prism honored the warranty through that seller, and the condition/packing/tags pretty much verify that it's new, but there are a few marks on the sail.  It's not a big deal, it just looks like where it's rubbed on the case in transport, but what's the best way to remove them or clean them off of the sail?  They won't exactly wipe off like dirt.  Also, I noticed on the tags and papers that were included with it indicated that it was a 2005 model.  As long as it's new, that's not a big deal, but just worth noting I guess.  The only other thing I noticed, and maybe this is dumb, but is the fabric normally that....crinkly?  My old kite is made out of a heavier gauge ripstop, but it's quite a bit softer and quiet....but I realize that may be because it's older and more broken in from flying.  Am I to assume that this kite will soften up a bit once flown a while, or is that just the nature of the lighter, more modern fabrics?


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: Jared on March 03, 2010, 02:57 PM
The crinkly-ness will definitely fade.  My Quantum is less than 2 years old, and the sail (which started out crisp) is very, very soft now.  As for cleaning the sail, I've used dish soap & water for most cleaning, and Goo-gone for tougher, stickier problems.


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: fidelio on March 03, 2010, 02:58 PM
the newer fabrics are lighter, but are also coated which beyond making them 'crinkly' makes them stronger than their predecessors.


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: jeepersjoey on March 03, 2010, 03:11 PM
I got the exact same thing.

Mine was off Ebay and it had the "brochure" of 2005.  I think that it was that the PAPERWORK was released in 2005, not that the KITE was 2005.

I have had no problems with mine and feel that I got a new kite.

Do not worry.  Go out and fly it...the krinkly will fade once there is a little use.


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: Boogie on March 03, 2010, 03:40 PM
Cool, like I said, the kite itself is in new condition so it's not a huge deal.  As for the crinkly fabric, I figured it would eventually come out, just wondered if it was like that for everyone else.  I've got the kite all setup and leaning against the wall in our spare bedroom, hopefully that'll take some of the wrinkles and whatnot out of it where it was stored.  I left the standoffs out though to keep from stretching the sail.  I know it's not going to stretch that much if at all, but the newness of it all has me overly cautious.  Speaking of the standoffs, are they meant to bow up or bow the lower spreader out that much?  I realize they might a little since they're meant to keep tension on the sail, just wondering.  Thanks for the replies and tolerating my "crinkle-phobia", lol.  Good news is, the wife likes it and we're both eyeing the Aerobe as well.


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: King-J on March 03, 2010, 04:13 PM
If you don't mind me asking but what did you pay for the Quantum on e-gag, I mean e-bay and is it a plain Quantum or a Quantum Pro and did you pay shipping? Steve has the plain Quantum and the Pro, and Steve will ship either one for Free. I have bought a few things from e-bay new and used, so far all my dealings are not what I have expected, most things new from e-bay are there general because they may have a very small flaw and that is why their, I may get a little flack from you e-bayers but this is my experience so far.
My recommendation for any purchase of a kites or accessories would be to get what you need from Steve or one of the sponsor's on your right, that way you know your getting all the latest up-to-date stuff and the reputation to back your purchase. Sorry just my opinion Please don't take offence to this


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: King-J on March 03, 2010, 04:19 PM
Sorry Boogie, for the above on e-bay. The Aerobe is a fun to fly SLK when there is no Wind. 
check out me Video on Youtube on the aerobe

Kite, Aerobe SLK MV 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRBge-GcDiM#normal)


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: jeepersjoey on March 03, 2010, 05:57 PM
My Quantum was $76 and $8.99 shipping from Ebay.

That was before I found this place...so ignorance is bliss.  I will buy from Steve when I move up.


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: fidelio on March 03, 2010, 06:08 PM
if you're lucky enough to have a local kite merchant, they're worth your support as well.


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: ko on March 03, 2010, 06:44 PM
welcome boogie crinkly is a good thing along with that new kite smell!! great kite to start with get yourself some line sets and for sure a prism dvd from steve and you are good to go for a while have fun KO  http://www.chicokites.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=54 (http://www.chicokites.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=54)


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: Boogie on March 04, 2010, 07:56 AM
If you don't mind me asking but what did you pay for the Quantum on e-gag, I mean e-bay and is it a plain Quantum or a Quantum Pro and did you pay shipping? Steve has the plain Quantum and the Pro, and Steve will ship either one for Free. I have bought a few things from e-bay new and used, so far all my dealings are not what I have expected, most things new from e-bay are there general because they may have a very small flaw and that is why their, I may get a little flack from you e-bayers but this is my experience so far.
My recommendation for any purchase of a kites or accessories would be to get what you need from Steve or one of the sponsor's on your right, that way you know your getting all the latest up-to-date stuff and the reputation to back your purchase. Sorry just my opinion Please don't take offence to this


No offense taken, I myself am not the biggest fan of eFail as I like to call it.  I had purchased it actually before I realized that Steve had an actual shop here.  I got a pretty good price on it I think, $89 with free shipping, and he claims that the prism warranties are valid through his shop.  Hopefully I won't have to find out though.  I would have preferred to have gone through an actual kite shop, but there are no local shops and most places online it was over $100, plus shipping...so I opted to go through a shop on ebay...everythingflight I believe.  My next purchase (the Aerobe) will most definitely be through Steve though. 


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: Boogie on March 15, 2010, 07:58 AM
Managed to get the Quantum out a few times last week at the local park.  It flies wonderfully and extremely fast compared to my old Gayla stunt kite, which is what I was expecting.  I only managed to plow it into the ground a couple times, none of which were really violent or at full speed.  It was mostly from spinning too low and losing momentum when coming out of the spin to go back up, causing me to overcorrect and lawn dart it into the ground.  It does make for a hilarious noise, as unnerving as it might be.  At least it has the shock absorber on the spine.  I'm definitely hooked as I can't wait to get back out again this week and fly some more.  Of course I've started looking at other kites to add to my collection soon, but I'm not sure what to get next.  I love the speed and control of my dualie, but I'm not sure how interested I'll be in much more than that, all the tricks and whatnot.  I like zooming around for a bit, but that's about it.  I've been eyeballing the Revolutions, but I'm not sure they would be worth fooling with since we do not have many steady winds very often around here as opposed to a coastal area or wherever there might be steady wind...which seems to be where they would be the most fun.  I just don't think that they would be much fun or any more fun in gusty winds than a dualie.  Would I be wrong?  Would it be worth it to try to learn some basic tricks on the Quantum and maybe upgrade to something lighter later on?  Either way, I'm having fun right now, so it's all good.


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: Bob D on March 15, 2010, 10:17 AM
Keep flying your Quantum to make sure that you truly like kites. I got a Prism Ion back in the 90s and then a Prism Flashlight a few years after. (I got the Flashlight because our wind inland is mostly pretty light.) I flew both of them and was quite happy just flying around for a number of years. I didn't know the meaning of slack until after I had been flying at least 7 years. I was a definite convert. At that point, I discovered the forum here. if you decide that you're a convert to kiting after you've been flying a while, then think about upgrading. Steve (our gracious GWTW forum host and Chico Kites guy) is a great resource to recommend something new. If you can't afford new, then keep your eyes open for something interesting in the Swap Meet.

If you're interested in Revs, it's a whole different experience. When I got my Rev Supersonic (the 1.5 is a better all-around choice), it took me a long time to figure out how to launch it and keep it up in the air. Quads are more about precision flying. Duals (for me) are more about doing tricks.

I was happy to just fly around for a long time. Now I'm the eternal student learning how to do tricks. Whatever you do, flying kites is about having fun.


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: mikenchico on March 15, 2010, 11:32 AM
I personally don't enjoy the Rev's in gusty, variable winds. The Rev 1.5 vented in high winds is a blast though and any Rev in smooth winds is. Well I take that back sort of I have a blast with the Rev II anytime there is amplified music and enough wind that you're not fighting it.

If you like speed and just zooming around at this point take a look at the Prism Micron (http://www.chicokites.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=31), in high winds it is LYAO fast. Steve can also get the 5 stack of Microns if you're interested in that, five colorful kites with tails streaming behind is always a crowd pleaser.

 
Flying the Five-Stack (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAh_FOgR9Ls#lq-lq2-hq)

Or for now grab yourself a matching Transition Tail (http://www.chicokites.com/store/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=20) in 48' or 96' for your Quantum, it pulls tails well &  they add another dimension to your flying.

Stunt Kite with 100 foot tail (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeYmoPOtpGA#normal)



Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: Boogie on March 16, 2010, 09:13 AM
I'm definitely going to be flying the Quantum a bit more before buying another kite.  I probably won't get another kite until late spring/early summer, so I'm just enjoying what I got for now.  Anyhow, if I stick with it, I think I'm going to try out a quad like the Rev 1.5SLE.  I'm used to flying r/c heli's, so I think I can get the hang of quad lines pretty quickly. 


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: fidelio on March 16, 2010, 11:58 AM
if you fly a 4+ channel r/c heli, flying a quad should be nooooo problem for you. and if you've done 3d flying with a heli you already have all the necessary skills to really excel at quad line kite flying.


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: xuzme720 on March 16, 2010, 12:00 PM
I can almost hover my heli's, does that help? lol ;D


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: Boogie on March 16, 2010, 12:35 PM
I can do basic "scale" flying with helis.  Circuits, hovering, etc.  I can do 3D maneuvers like inverted hovers, tic tocs, etc on a sim, but never had enough balls to try it in real life yet.  We're supposed to have a big Kite Fest in Lexington, KY in April so hopefully I'll get a chance to see some Revs in action.  My big issue, as I said before, is flying them around here with the gusty Ky wind...but there are a few parks laid out on flat land that usually has a steady breeze on a good day.  Combine that with using a lighter LE in the 1.5 SLE, I think I may be ok, or am I completely off the track?   :-[


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: xuzme720 on March 16, 2010, 12:52 PM
I can do basic "scale" flying with helis.  Circuits, hovering, etc.  I can do 3D maneuvers like inverted hovers, tic tocs, etc on a sim, but never had enough balls to try it in real life yet.  We're supposed to have a big Kite Fest in Lexington, KY in April so hopefully I'll get a chance to see some Revs in action.  My big issue, as I said before, is flying them around here with the gusty Ky wind...but there are a few parks laid out on flat land that usually has a steady breeze on a good day.  Combine that with using a lighter LE in the 1.5 SLE, I think I may be ok, or am I completely off the track?   :-[
I am actually about where you are as far as heli's are concerned, in that I fly really well on the sim, but not quite ready to try the 3D 'for real' just yet.
Really, I think the only thing that will translate to the Revs is coordination. As you know, it takes a great deal of it to fly heli's. The Revs I find are much easier to learn to fly, but just as hard to really fly well. The learning curve is nowhere nearly as steep though! And I know the crashes are cheaper! lol
I find the hardest thing is swapping my mindset going from 2 to 4 lines...I still find my hands want to push/pull instead of tilt for the turns, but that is from all that time learning the automatic response on just 2 lines...
I do still fly mainly duals, but I love my Rev. I have the 1.5 as well and find that it does like the smoother air better but I am now to the point that I can keep it flying even in the rough stuff around where I live.


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: Boogie on March 16, 2010, 01:41 PM
Yeah, I figured the coordination and quick reflexes will help.  I keep thinking about the quote many people use to describe flying a heli, "Trying to balance a marble on the back of a spoon", lol.  I figure it will take a bit of getting used to going from the push pull of the dualies, but hopefully I won't completely destroy a Rev before I get used to it.    ???


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: kiten00b on March 16, 2010, 04:28 PM
developing an efficient line management system is one of the biggest hurdles for novice quad fliers. line tangles can that take a lot of fun out of quads.


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: xuzme720 on March 16, 2010, 04:33 PM
developing an efficient line management system is one of the biggest hurdles for novice quad fliers. line tangles can that take a lot of fun out of quads.
I am assuming you mean while packing/unpacking and not while actually in the air?


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: kiten00b on March 16, 2010, 05:04 PM
line management in the air is more an issue for quad teams


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: xuzme720 on March 16, 2010, 05:18 PM
line management in the air is more an issue for quad teams
oops! :-[

I hadn't even thought of that, but it will likely be some time before Boogie takes up team flying on quads... As for myself, I don't see team flying in the foreseeable future unless it's foils with the wife...I can't find anyone close to fly with. :'(


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: Boogie on March 17, 2010, 09:56 AM
I've been watching a few tutorials on line management, so hopefully it won't be too big of a challenge.  As for line management with teams, I do not see how they do it, talk about a challenge...


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: Bob D on March 17, 2010, 10:05 AM
If you DO get a quad, start off with having your lines on two winders. It's easy to get the two linesets all tangled if they're on one winder. Been there done that. One tip is to larkshead the top and bottom line together. Line tangles can be a real mess with quads.

Flying tip: Tip the right handle forward (down) to turn right. Tip the left handle (down) to turn left. Pulling and pushing doesn't turn a quad - that helps to side slide it.


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: mikenchico on March 17, 2010, 07:23 PM
... using a lighter LE in the 1.5 SLE, I think I may be ok, or am I completely off the track?   :-[

Many people prefer the standard leading edge over the SLE, myself included after trying one in my Rev 1.

Interesting thing about Rev's, people who have never flown a dual line kite can often pick them up quicker then those of us who already have push/pull ingrained. Hopefully you'll have an opportunity to get a basic lesson and try one out while you're waiting to jump in. First day may be frustrating, second day you'll get some quality airtime, third day things start to click, don't let that first & second day discourage you, it's just a different way of doing things.





Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: Stardragon on March 18, 2010, 01:52 AM
I know it's late and my eyes aren't working properly when I can swear the title read, "Boob with a Quantum." ??? :o :D

Ron


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: jeepersjoey on March 19, 2010, 06:40 PM
Ron,

Don't feel bad.  I keep getting tricked by the subject and visiting this forum forgetting that I was sorely mistaken last time.

Paul


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: Boogie on April 19, 2010, 03:20 PM
Lol, Boob with a Quantum....some who watch me fly may agree with that.   :D

It's a bit frustrating at times because it's made for higher winds than what KY typically has to offer, but I can usually get in a few flights when the weather changes.  I will say that whatever kite I go with next, WILL be a UL.  I'm getting ready to order an Aerobe (Wala) just to have something to fly in low/no wind...but eventually I'd like to order a UL dualie or quad.


Sorry I replied a month late, been busy.   :-[



Edit:  After looking through some other threads, it looks like I'll have to order a Prism 4D, they look REALLY promising for a low/no wind dualie!


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: glk47 on April 20, 2010, 11:26 AM

Or for now grab yourself a matching Transition Tail ([url]http://www.chicokites.com/store/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=20[/url]) in 48' or 96' for your Quantum, it pulls tails well &  they add another dimension to your flying.

Stunt Kite with 100 foot tail ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeYmoPOtpGA#normal[/url])



Hadn't thought about it, but flying with a transition tail that's longer then your lineset, which it looks like in the video, strikes me as a blast.

Larry


Title: Re: Noob with a Quantum
Post by: Boogie on April 20, 2010, 03:36 PM
Just ordered a blue 4D with the 20ft lineset.  No more inland winds (or lack thereof) letting me down!  May even start learning some tricks!   ;D