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Title: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: Michel on March 05, 2010, 01:04 PM
Coming soon...  ;)

(http://www.r-sky.com/images/ads/indexFr1267867987.jpg)


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: Beachbum on March 05, 2010, 01:16 PM
Derefat design?

I guess we'll know more in a year.  ::)


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: indigo_wolf on March 05, 2010, 01:23 PM
P3X ?!?  Jon fleshed out that series pretty quietly.   ???

ATB,
Sam


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: fworley on March 05, 2010, 01:44 PM

Custom's will have fun with his ...

"Toxic" material from France ...

Bon chance mes amis

-Frazer


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: ET on March 05, 2010, 01:48 PM
Looks like a big brother of the Frenezy Evo.  And I betcha the LE's is a 1 piece.


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: fidelio on March 05, 2010, 02:31 PM
ooh


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: Beachbum on March 05, 2010, 03:05 PM
Waiting for Randy to chime in...

C'mon folks we got 3 months of hype to do!


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: John Welden on March 05, 2010, 05:12 PM
I like that add, looks great.


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: KaoS on March 05, 2010, 05:48 PM
Looks like a big brother of the Frenezy Evo.  And I betcha the LE's is a 1 piece.

The quoted wingspan and spine height are exactly the same as the Nirvana...


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: noel on March 05, 2010, 10:59 PM
Looks like a big brother of the Frenezy Evo.  And I betcha the LE's is a 1 piece.

The quoted wingspan and spine height are exactly the same as the Nirvana...

To me, its look like NFX Extent or Manga but in different color scheme. 


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: Francois on March 06, 2010, 03:52 AM
Looks like a big brother of the Frenezy Evo.  And I betcha the LE's is a 1 piece.

The quoted wingspan and spine height are exactly the same as the Nirvana...

To me, its look like NFX Extent or Manga but in different color scheme. 

Bigger than those 2...


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: Michel on March 06, 2010, 11:16 AM
(http://i65.servimg.com/u/f65/14/95/62/76/toxic111.jpg)

(http://i65.servimg.com/u/f65/14/95/62/76/toxic211.jpg)

(http://i65.servimg.com/u/f65/14/95/62/76/toxic310.jpg)

(http://i65.servimg.com/u/f65/14/95/62/76/toxic410.jpg)



Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: chilese on March 06, 2010, 02:11 PM
I think it looks like another sport kite.

Sorry, that's all I've got.  :)


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: fworley on March 06, 2010, 03:10 PM

It looks great ... but is that *it* ?

I mean, how is it better than the Nirvana ?

Thats the real issue for R-Sky - making a kite which surpasses the seminal Nirvana design

-Frazer


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: Beachbum on March 06, 2010, 04:40 PM
Well unlike their original designs they are using Mylar for a couple panels, not just reinforcement.

Perhaps this will produce something we mere mortals can not possibly comprehend.

Keep the hype going! 


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: chilese on March 06, 2010, 05:08 PM
It's good to see they're catching up to Prism on Mylar usage.  ::)


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: jaydub on March 07, 2010, 12:57 AM
I, for one, always have a concern about the longevity of mylar panels.  The early Gems had a mylar panel and Tim moved away from using mylar other than for reinforcement because of reliability problems.  The mylar panel on my old Gem failed near the nose on both sides of the kite.

I know mylar sailcloth technology has moved on since, so the kite stuff may have also done so and this could be less of a concern now.

I shall await flight reports with interest, although I have to admit R-Sky have never quite hit the spot in terms of pricing vs. build quality for me. (Just my personal opinion)


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: steve.hobart on March 07, 2010, 01:41 AM
I agree. I moved away from R-Sky. I was continually dissapointed in the build quality and equally dissapointed at the poor support and apparent lack of interest in after sales support by Roger from R-Sky to my local kite store (who to their credit took action themselves locally to assist me).

Their kites do fly and trick very well though..

steve


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: zippy8 on March 07, 2010, 05:58 AM
It's good to see they're catching up to Prism on Mylar usage.  ::)
So you've never seen a Mylar™ised Opium then ? I suspect R-Sky have tried it and moved on.

Always always ALWAYS interesting to hear about a new kite from a manufacturer who takes these sort of kites seriously. It might not translate into anything but anything to deliver us from another plague of price point mediocrities.

To my eye it looks like a Nirvana ~ Diablis mashup. I feel a morph coming on  :D

Mike.


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: KeithG on March 07, 2010, 06:43 AM
I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. I have 12 R-Sky kites an none of them have any serious build quality issues. I have seen a few on some other peoples kites but nothing I would call a deal breaker.


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: zippy8 on March 07, 2010, 08:02 AM
I have 12 R-Sky kites an none of them have any serious build quality issues. I have seen a few on some other peoples kites but nothing I would call a deal breaker.
My experience is broadly similar. My R-Sky kites have been fine tending to more than fine but I've heard reliable reports of a few rogue kites slipping through that would disappoint at any price but seriously annoy at the level R-Sky retail at. When that happens you want and expect it to be dealt with.

And the morph didn't quite pan out either :( At no point does Diablis+Nirvana=Toxic.

Mike.


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: mikenchico on March 07, 2010, 09:24 AM
The Toxic is radically different from the Nirvana, just because it has identical frame dimensions and placement don't mean a thing. There are glaring differences .... really ....... like there's ..... ummm ...... equal length standoffs .......  yeah and ..... and ahhhh ....... a .. a .. reverse camber leading edge ... that's right ... radically different

 ;D  :-X  :-\


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Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: randyg on March 07, 2010, 03:14 PM
Always always ALWAYS interesting to hear about a new kite from a manufacturer who takes these sort of kites seriously. It might not translate into anything but anything to deliver us from another plague of price point mediocrities.
+1

Posted by Roger on Facebook:

Quote
Size 230x90cm
Precision 40% - Tricks 60%
We are going to do a video and you'll can see his capacities.
The sail is more flat, we work on gravity center and trailing edge tension.
I like the design, it will be available in Cobalt (as pics) Coffee, Indian and maybe Spirit if we get a new colors from Icarex.


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: Bob D on March 08, 2010, 12:39 PM
I'm looking forward to RandyG's review! (Hopefully he's on their list...)


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: JimB on March 08, 2010, 04:20 PM
What exactly is R-Sky to do?

They have maybe the most successful design, in terms of meeting its design goals, ever in the Nirvana.

They tweaked it for the NSE making it even easier to trick.

Should they now go off in an entirely different direction?

I don't think so.

Looking forward to flying this kite.


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: fworley on March 08, 2010, 07:09 PM
Should they now go off in an entirely different direction?


Like making cute inflatables or something off the wall like that you mean ?

(http://www.r-sky.com/images/ads/pictures/34_0.jpg)
(http://www.r-sky.com/images/ads/pictures/35_0.jpg)
(http://www.r-sky.com/images/ads/pictures/28_0.jpg)
(http://www.r-sky.com/images/ads/pictures/22_0.jpg)

Hmm ... let see Debray comete those !

-Frazer


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: JimB on March 08, 2010, 07:17 PM
erm.. okay, they have to make some money.. I meant in regards to the dualies of course.


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: mikenchico on March 09, 2010, 07:08 AM
Most modern kites fall within a few inches of that formula except for a few notable exceptions. What I posted is just a profile and doesn't reflect standoff lengths, bridling etc. The differences I did point out would radically change the kites characteristics and are real observations, just in jest of the hype that get's started. Refining a proven design is good business and it is R-Sky's design. Copying someone elses design is another thing, I see a kite on the way that looks to be almost a 100% copy of a US 'boutique makers' design, so much so that when Rhonda saw the picture she asked if it was a new **** with different graphics. That's not good business, have to see the final product though to truly compare.



Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: Dolphinboy on March 09, 2010, 01:34 PM
I'd be interested in flying the new Toxic. I enjoy tricking R-Sky kites.

Prism kites not so much. Mark may be successful but he doesn't design kites I'm interested in. Well except maybe one of his more original designs:

(http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/238/2812543600102181666S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2812543600102181666QGrfLU)



Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: Steve Hall on March 09, 2010, 01:49 PM
Ah, just like the good old days ... count down to thread locking has begun.


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: Gamelord on March 09, 2010, 02:37 PM
Regardless - it is a criminal shame that a company works hard in producing / refining / developing a brand new product for our industry and then gets hammered into oblivion before the product even gets out in the hands of the people the designers worked hard to build it for.  I can only see this type of behavior causing even more kite makers to throw their hands up in defeat rather than face the constant ridicule and banter that they get from doing what they love.  If you don't like it, don't buy it.  I think the kite looks fantastic and really don't care if it happens to be "close" to that of the Nirvana or any other dual line stunt kite out there!  After all, how much variation can you REALLY have when designing a dual line stunt kite?  With the thousands of kites and designs (panel layouts) that have been done over the last 20 or so years, it would be nearly impossible to build something today that wouldn't be similar to something done before - accidental or not.

I look forward to seeing/flying the new Toxic and hope that it and R-Sky continue to push the envelope in kite development and design.

Is it time for Kite Party yet?  I gotta get out of this office. :)


I just wanted to get a comment in before it was to late.



Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: xuzme720 on March 09, 2010, 02:39 PM
3.......


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: fworley on March 09, 2010, 02:40 PM
Regardless - it is a criminal shame that a company works hard in producing / refining / developing a brand new product for our industry and then gets hammered into oblivion before the product even gets out in the hands of the people the designers worked hard to build it for.  I can only see this type of behavior causing even more kite makers to throw their hands up in defeat rather than face the constant ridicule and banter that they get from doing what they love.  If you don't like it, don't buy it.  I think the kite looks fantastic and really don't care if it happens to be "close" to that of the Nirvana or any other dual line stunt kite out there!  After all, how much variation can you REALLY have when designing a dual line stunt kite?  With the thousands of kites and designs (panel layouts) that have been done over the last 20 or so years, it would be nearly impossible to build something today that wouldn't be similar to something done before - accidental or not.

I look forward to seeing/flying the new Toxic and hope that it and R-Sky continue to push the envelope in kite development and design.

Is it time for Kite Party yet?  I gotta get out of this office. :)


I just wanted to get a comment in before it was to late.



Are you going to buy one then ?

-Frazer


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: Francois on March 09, 2010, 03:37 PM
Nirvana std (3)
Nirvana Ul
Nirvana VTD
Nirvana Black gold frame
Nirvana Icone 10th an.
Nirvana SE Icone
Nirvana NSE
Nirvana NSE Icone
Nirv...
+++++++most of the other models avai. from Roger (Krystal and so on) all of them been a blast to fly but none were even close to a JoE, a Viper or a BMK in terms of finish.
Always a little thing to make you think about the $/value ratio...


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: zippy8 on March 09, 2010, 10:50 PM
Nirvana Black gold frame
Nirvana SE Icone
Nirvana NSE Icone
Wut ?  :-[

Specifically... what's a Nirvana Black and what's the difference betwixt a Nirvana SE and a Nirvana NSE ?

Mike.


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: Francois on March 10, 2010, 02:57 AM
Guess  I had to many of these last night. Replace that by Black Diamond frame and NSE with NFX ;)


Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: Bob D on March 10, 2010, 04:58 AM
No matter what, R-Sky makes great looking kites. I've heard of the quality issues that some people may have had but I've got a full set of Nirvanas, Team Next Up, and a NFX Sport and they're all beautifully made kites. Even if I'm not able to fly them to the best of their ability, I'm keeping them because I love the panel layout and someday I WILL be able to fly them.

I like the Toxic but I'm not skilled enough to think about getting one.



Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: zippy8 on March 10, 2010, 07:38 AM
(http://www.elisanet.fi/mike.emery/Avatars/ModHat.png)

A little thread pruning has taken place. Play nice or play elsewhere. That is all.

Mike.



Title: Re: *** NEW *** - Toxic by R-SKY
Post by: Carlton on March 14, 2010, 04:17 AM
Regardless - it is a criminal shame that a company works hard in producing / refining / developing a brand new product for our industry and then gets hammered into oblivion before the product even gets out in the hands of the people the designers worked hard to build it for.  I can only see this type of behavior causing even more kite makers to throw their hands up in defeat rather than face the constant ridicule and banter that they get from doing what they love.  If you don't like it, don't buy it.  I think the kite looks fantastic and really don't care if it happens to be "close" to that of the Nirvana or any other dual line stunt kite out there!  After all, how much variation can you REALLY have when designing a dual line stunt kite?  With the thousands of kites and designs (panel layouts) that have been done over the last 20 or so years, it would be nearly impossible to build something today that wouldn't be similar to something done before - accidental or not.

I look forward to seeing/flying the new Toxic and hope that it and R-Sky continue to push the envelope in kite development and design.



I just wanted to get a comment in before it was to late.



+1