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Title: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: jeepersjoey on March 05, 2010, 06:18 PM
So I see this kite on ebay without a minimum.  I bid $100 and no one else bids.  I call this a STINKBID.  You bid a small percentage of the actual cost and every yr or so you win.

It gets delivered today and I am questioning whether this is a real 2010 REV BLAST as it was advertised.

Looking at the REV website it has a different design than the REV BLAST shown.  I question whether such a radical design really happens between years.

Can you provide real facts that it IS or IS NOT real?


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Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: kiteslinger on March 05, 2010, 06:59 PM
is "not"
(http://inlinethumb17.webshots.com/46224/2136815120072413283S600x600Q85.jpg)

if the sail doesn't have the word revolution it IS NOT genuine



Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: Beachbum on March 05, 2010, 07:25 PM
We ID'd the kite as "Not Revolution" in chat earlier.  Fortunatley Joey should get his dough back soon.  As a bonus hopefully we got Ben a new punching bag.


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: Charly on March 05, 2010, 07:35 PM
As a long time Ebayer I know the buyer you got this "KNOCK OFF" from.  He fills all of his ads with words that are words used by Revolution.  Words like "SLE", Blast, 1.5, and so on.  I would demand my money back and file a "NOT AS DESCRIBED" complaint with PayPal and Ebay both.  What you have is an "Air-Extreme III made in China.

Charly


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: kiten00b on March 05, 2010, 09:27 PM
Quote
Rev BLAST

60 Day Money Back                     2 Year Warranty                     Online Price: $349
This is the newest model for 2010.
 
Rev BLAST

Each kite comes with a waterproof black protective carrying bag.
Information from the manufacturer:

Rev BLAST Kite
 
The Rev BLAST design is our newest and most powerful model for 2010, measuring almost 10 feet long and 2 feet wide.  We have totally redesigned the leading and trailing edges to increase performance and control.  These kites are built from super light weight carbon fiber frame and rip resistant, nylon composite fabric. These quad line kites are designed for extreme power flights and control.  They can dive, climb, spin, flip and turn with a flick of your wrist. Great fun for kids and adults of all ages.

Warning: Avoid cheap imitation power kites which do not carry at least a 2 year warranty.  Stay with the brand you know and trust.
wow.
just wow... ::)


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: Charly on March 05, 2010, 10:00 PM
The guy on Ebay selling these knock off "Revolution" products is a real piece of work.  He has had an on going feud on many of the power kite forums over his listing knock off power and traction stuff besides his knock offs of Revolution stuff.  If you find his ads on Ebay you will see he is also attacking Bob Child's and his forums.  It is a real shame that Ebay won't do something to stop this seller and his ripping off other companies.  If any of you are Ebayer's please contact them and complain about this sellers abuse.  I know that if he gets enough complaints Ebay will pull the plug on him.

Charly


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: zippy8 on March 05, 2010, 10:45 PM
if the sail doesn't have the word revolution it IS NOT genuine
And sometimes, not even then.

Mike.


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: imarche on March 06, 2010, 12:28 AM
if the sail doesn't have the word revolution it IS NOT genuine
And sometimes, not even then.

Mike.

Second that. Copies from China comes with iQuad logos...if preferred.

Chua


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: DGomberg on March 06, 2010, 03:06 AM
We have succeeded in having EBAy remove a number of infringing designs. The process is tedious, but seems to work. Of course, the complain needs to be filed by the owner of the design or their agent and requires constant attention.

Much rather use the time making new stuff.....

David


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: jeepersjoey on March 06, 2010, 04:50 AM
I said in my email to the seller:
Dear jonesband1998,

Please confirm that the kite that was sent to me was the kite as listed in the auction. A design of a "REV BLAST" on the REV website does not look anything like what I received (but only 2009 are listed on the website...was there a complete redesign for 2010?).

According to the REV website all their kites appear to have "REVOLUTION" on the sail. This one does not state the manufacturer and only states "AIREXTREME III".

I search on the web for "AIREXTREME" does not lead me to the REV website.

This cannot be confusion on the name since the Revolution website calls all their product by both REV and REVOLUTION.

Please help ease my mind that I received a genuine REVOLUTION kite.



He said: Hi,
 
This is a Rev Blast and you can find it at www.extremekites.eznet.biz (http://www.extremekites.eznet.biz).  These are 2010 models according to the manufacturer.  We do have a 60 day full money back guarantee if you are not happy with the product.  Thank you.
 
Jim



I have asked for a refund of the kite, string and handles...$150.  I also wrote a quick letter to REVOLUTION KITES...we will see if he returns my email.


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: fidelio on March 06, 2010, 05:20 AM
heck, you might just keep it. have what fun with it you can, and chalk it up to experience. should you return the kite, you may find yourself out of a hundred bucks AND a kite.

one thing is for sure, i wouldn't feel bad at all for revolution. if you buy one in the future, great, but they've extracted their pound of flesh from most people on this forum anyway. they'll be just fine.


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: DWayne on March 06, 2010, 05:34 AM
Since you paid with PayPal getting your money back will be quick & painless. Whatever you do, don't keep this POS. It would only encourage the POS selling them to keep up his thieving. File complaints with both eBay and PayPal first off, then write Ben D'Antonio @ Rev and let him know about this so Rev can take action too.
You may not get your shipping costs back, but better to write off $9 to learning than $100+  ;)

Denny


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: MtnFlyer on March 06, 2010, 07:24 AM
I was curious who might be making these knock-offs, then saw this.

What's wrong with this picture?  :D  ;)

(http://extremekites.eznet.biz/images/xtreme/coldfusionstraight.jpg)


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: DWayne on March 06, 2010, 07:29 AM
I was curious who might be making these knock-offs, then saw this.

What's wrong with this picture?  :D  ;)

([url]http://extremekites.eznet.biz/images/xtreme/coldfusionstraight.jpg[/url])

You have to wonder who the moron was that attached the bridle.  ::)

Denny


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: xuzme720 on March 06, 2010, 07:37 AM
Actually, it just looks like the lower left line is wrapped behind then over the top...
or am I missing something? ::)


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: DWayne on March 06, 2010, 07:40 AM
Actually, it just looks like the lower left line is wrapped behind then over the top...
or am I missing something? ::)
It looks to be clearly attached to the LE.

Denny


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: MtnFlyer on March 06, 2010, 08:39 AM
Actually, it just looks like the lower left line is wrapped behind then over the top...
or am I missing something? ::)

Ummm...  yeah, the bridle's twisted, but the spar is in front of the sail   ;)


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: tonycarl60 on March 06, 2010, 12:50 PM
Vertical rods should be on the back......


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: xuzme720 on March 06, 2010, 03:48 PM
Yup! I missed that part!  :-[


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: TGunn on March 06, 2010, 07:51 PM
This same knockoff model was discussed 2 years ago on the Rev forum, and last year on kitelife.com forum here:  http://kitelife.com/forum/index.php?/topic/3233-brand-new-airextreme-iii/page__pid__21247__st__0&#entry21247?s=3afe1214959a58509ac325709a113ac5 (http://kitelife.com/forum/index.php?/topic/3233-brand-new-airextreme-iii/page__pid__21247__st__0&#entry21247?s=3afe1214959a58509ac325709a113ac5)


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: mikenchico on March 07, 2010, 09:46 AM
The uprights are on the face too. Definately no infringement on the Rev design there, if as the buyer you put the bridle on the "Rev" way and switch the uprights to the back  you're in trouble  :D



Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: KiteLife on March 08, 2010, 01:29 PM
I used the eBay reporting system about 3 days ago, citing seven different listings (with blatant use of copied Revolution graphics and brand name) for copyright violation... I just checked with a search for "rev blast", glad to see all the blatant one-to-one copies I reported are gone, now it's just the ones with significantly different graphics, although they still use "rev" and "blast" in the titles.

Seems to me the process works well enough to be worth using.

Just reported three more blatant SLE copies, we'll see if reporting works again and how long it takes.


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: Charly on March 08, 2010, 04:14 PM
If you do a search for "rev kite" all of this guys ads for the knock off Revolution stuff comes up.  Search his stuff for sale and you will find he is also trying to sell knock off traction and buggy stuff.  Thus his fued with Bob Childs and others.  He slanders Bob Child and his forums.  With the huge amount of upset people reporting this seller for many months it is a SHAME that Ebay hasn't done something about it long before this.

Charly


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: Gamelord on March 08, 2010, 04:38 PM
He has now resorted to using names that are "close" to the original but slightly different.  As for his cheap crap buggy - he referrs to it as "flexfoil" instead of "Flexifoil" attempting to suggest that it is the same brand and quality as a Flexifoil product -when in fact it is a gross inferior copy.  People who have been suckered into purchasing his "chrome plated aluminum Flexfoil" buggy have reported issues with the steering yoke falling apart while riding, frame rails bending and or breaking and the whole front fork doing full 360 degree turns without stopping - all very serious issues that could cause major injury or even be fatal.  Not to mention that it has the cheapest chrome plated steel (not aluminum) which rusts like it has been dipped in acid within days of the first use.

He is also knocking-off power kites like HQ's Montana - calling it a "Nova Extreme" - trying to capitalize on the HQ/Nova marketing and trying to dupe un-educated customers into thinking his products are actual factory production products instead of cheap imitation knock-offs.

I too have reported him to flea-bay many times, but the adds seem to stay there time and time again.  They were removed at one time, but the scum simply created a new user (now called Jonseband1998) and put the same crap back up.  Maybe this sleaze has some type of relationship with the "It" over in China???  Not sure but it sure hurts our industry when these losers try to pass off these inferior products that don't fly or perform worth a crap to new pilots wanting to get into this sport.

Hopefully with these threads popping up all over the internet on various forums, people will get educated on rip-off artists like these guys and it will make it harder for them to prey on unsuspecting customers and continue to rip people off while lining their pockets.


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: jeepersjoey on March 08, 2010, 06:25 PM
I sent the kite, strings and handles back today.

Stay tuned to hear if I get ALL my money back.

This is what he wrote: "You may return the kite to the address below for a full refund.  Once the item is receive, we will email you a cancellation request.  Once it is cancelled and positive feedback is left, we will also reimburse your return shipping costs.  Please include a copy of your return shipping receipt so we can reimburse you.  Thank you."

So...I only get the money if I give 'em positive feedback.

Recommendations of what I can write to STILL get all my money back but still warn others???

As a manager once said about a previous employee "You'd be lucky to get him to work for you".  hehe
 


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: mikenchico on March 09, 2010, 12:16 AM
If you want your shipping click positive with a neutrally worded response along the line of "product received not as described, payment refunded". At this point he appears to agree he miss-lead you and is refunding your expense.

If you don't mind loosing your shipping you could get ugly but he'll dispute it which will take it offline while the dispute is investigated. Since he can show he refunded your purchase price per your agreement it'll most likely be deleted. Even if it should be decided it stays up if he sells a lot by the time it goes back on-line it will have rolled so far back nobody will ever see it anyway and it won't make a significant change to his overall feedback.

These have been on for over a year, they won't be going away IMO, a sad situation,

We had a local flyer show up one week at the field, he had bought quite a few of the knockoff foils, he wouldn't admit ebay when asked though, none of them flew anything like the first one he had purchased at a store on the beach so he was a disgruntled kite enthusiast because of these practices, another customer & friend lost  :(   ebay is hastening the demise of many industries with it's neglect.


<political comment withheld  :-X>



Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: DWayne on March 09, 2010, 06:29 AM
I sent the kite, strings and handles back today.

Stay tuned to hear if I get ALL my money back.

This is what he wrote: "You may return the kite to the address below for a full refund.  Once the item is receive, we will email you a cancellation request.  Once it is cancelled and positive feedback is left, we will also reimburse your return shipping costs.  Please include a copy of your return shipping receipt so we can reimburse you.  Thank you."

So...I only get the money if I give 'em positive feedback.

Recommendations of what I can write to STILL get all my money back but still warn others???

As a manager once said about a previous employee "You'd be lucky to get him to work for you".  hehe
 
If you filed a complaint with ebay & PayPAl you'll get your money back. After that happens leave appropriate feedback.

Denny


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: jeepersjoey on March 09, 2010, 06:30 AM
I like the neutral wording.

Two additional things have surfaced...
1. After the auction he sold me strings and handles for $49.  They are listed in his auction saying that if you want them after the auction has ended to let him know.  Once I won, he sent a message asking if I wanted them.  He added the cost to my total bill.  I sent them back...hopefully this is also refunded.
2. I looked over the ebay retribution site and when I clicked on that auction it came up that he will refund the cost of the merchandise but it says shipping is the responsibility of the buyer.  Total cost was only $20.

Neither are major issues.

I hope that this will be resolved by the weekend.  Time to move on and fly!
Paul





Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: mikenchico on March 09, 2010, 06:59 AM
Yeah, they won't leave feedback on you until you have left yours, in most cases negative feedback on a low volume buyer looks much worse. If you've bought two items with one negative that's 50% negative and some sellers won't even consider your bid. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

As others have done here, file complaints with ebay on false representation, keep your ebay account clear if you do shop there. I do but 99% of things I've bought are just like going to garage sales, from private parties, maybe one or two items have come from those running stores.



Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: jeepersjoey on March 15, 2010, 01:26 PM
Well...I stated:
"I will not be leaving positive, neutral or negative feedback and I expect you to do the same" in my email.

They paid me the $160.50 that I was originally out (includes shipping to me).

I paid the $12.15 to ship it back to them.

Crappy story all around.

But, I got money back!

On a positive note...I flew the 2-line delta for 6 hrs on Sunday and broke one spine and one leading edge!  Life is good and I am getting better at flying...still the same at crashing tho!  hehehee  :D


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: mikenchico on March 15, 2010, 07:10 PM
I think you got about the best return you could expect. A $12 lesson learned and some lost time. We all hate to see any upcoming enthusiast have a sour experience like yours, hopefully the support you're experiencing here keeps your enthusiam up.



Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: xuzme720 on March 15, 2010, 07:33 PM
Ditto what Mike said! E-bay is fine as long as you do your homework. I have made plenty of purchases on e-bay and have had only one item that was strictly NOT was it was represented. Unfortunately for me, it was one of those high shipping rate/low bid dealios that I normally avoid like the plague! Lesson learned, but for me it was a tad more expensive...
If you're not sure or think it might be too good to be true... well, it probably is! Stick to forum members or sponsors here for a bit until you can tell a legit deal from the crud...
I can tell you I have nothing but good things to say about all the kites bought from Steve and the sites along the right side, not to mention the members here.
Hope this hasn't turned you off to a great hobby!


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: jeepersjoey on March 15, 2010, 07:49 PM
Turning me off flying...heck NO!!

I flew for 6 hrs yesterday, non-stop in a snowstorm (light dusting).  I loved every minute of it and at the end I was in better control of my kites then any other learning session.

In the beginning I flew the light wind and in the end flew the Prism Quantum.  I had that thing doing hard, fast, controlled spins.  One spin and stop at 12 o'clock.  Again and again and again.

This morning I bought $56 worth of stuff from Prism (sorry Chico kites...one item I needed was out of stock and I wanted 6 of them...so I had to go to the source).  That was this morning.

This evening I bought (from Chico!!) a 4D kite.

My enthusiam has not gone down because of the Rev kite issue...I am probably better out NOT diworseafying by getting into 4-line.  I will stick with and master the 2-line.

And this group is AWESOME!


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: DWayne on March 15, 2010, 08:58 PM

On a positive note...I flew the 2-line delta for 6 hrs on Sunday and broke one spine and one leading edge!  Life is good and I am getting better at flying...still the same at crashing tho!  hehehee  :D

Crashes are what happens when you run out of altitude and ideas at the same time.  :D
Glad you got your money back.  ;)

Denny


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: dagnabbit on March 16, 2010, 07:57 AM
Crashes are what happens when you run out of altitude and ideas at the same time.  :D

Good one, Denny!  Best explanation for a crash- now I don't feel so bad about my flying skills!


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: DD on March 16, 2010, 09:07 AM
The art of flying a kite is throwing it at the ground and missing


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: dagnabbit on March 17, 2010, 07:32 AM
The art of flying a kite is throwing it at the ground and missing

Or the art of flying in general

DON'T PANIC!   :D


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: KiteLife on March 22, 2010, 10:51 AM
And the fun continues...

http://www.revkites.com/forum/topic/3857-thought-yall-might-want-a-laugh (http://www.revkites.com/forum/topic/3857-thought-yall-might-want-a-laugh)


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: freecheese on March 22, 2010, 12:48 PM
Wow, did you notice that his links to Kitelife and Powerkiteforum take you here?

http://www.eznet.biz/powerkiteforum.htm (http://www.eznet.biz/powerkiteforum.htm)

EDIT: Oh, you did. Nice response!


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: DWayne on March 22, 2010, 01:50 PM
I wonder if the FBI's internet fraud division is aware of this criminals activities?

Denny


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: indigo_wolf on March 22, 2010, 03:11 PM
I wonder if the FBI's internet fraud division is aware of this criminals activities?

Denny

Glad I am not the only one thinking along those lines.

ATB,
Sam


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: quincy on March 22, 2010, 06:13 PM
If he is shipping by USPS, the US Postal Inspection Service might be interested too.


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: mikenchico on March 22, 2010, 07:52 PM
Wow, did you notice that his links to Kitelife and Powerkiteforum take you here?

[url]http://www.eznet.biz/powerkiteforum.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.eznet.biz/powerkiteforum.htm[/url])



Then he links there to Gone With The Wind and a couple others alleging they are also under federal investigation for fraud. False, fraudulent and slanderous accusations IMO.

Reporting to ebay is all but impossible, but I put in 5 or 6 reports for every stretch of policy violations I could come up with. What other steps can we take? This is so totally out of line, this guy needs to be shut down immediately.

So JeepersJoey do you still have his address? I know some people who would be interested in it  ;) 




Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: KiteLife on March 22, 2010, 08:15 PM
Straight off his domain whois...

Registrant Address1: 3909 Burke Road Suite 3613
Registrant City: Pasadena
Registrant State/Province: Texas
Registrant Postal Code: 77504
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Country Code: US
Registrant Phone Number: +1.7135171391

The voice mail there actually has Dan answering, the same guy who wrote me.


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: indigo_wolf on March 22, 2010, 08:50 PM
There is some severe strangeness going on:

http://www.kysonlephardt.com/ (http://www.kysonlephardt.com/)
http://www.kysonlephardt.com/contact.htm (http://www.kysonlephardt.com/contact.htm)
http://www.kysonlephardt.com/ebaysellers.htm (http://www.kysonlephardt.com/ebaysellers.htm)

Pay very close attention to the third link.   Starting to sound more and more like there might be some satellite offices in the Cayman Islands.

ATB,
Sam


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: Steven L Hall on March 22, 2010, 09:38 PM
This guy is starting to get on my nerve.

I wrote him to introduce myself and to let him know that the GWTW Forum was not owned by Bob or John and to "nicely" ask him that he remove GWTW from his libelous web page.

Here is his response:

"Check your postings on their forums.  Your postings link you directly to them."

Interesting as I don't believe I have ever posted to any of the forums he refers to (other than this one of course).


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: ozonejim on March 23, 2010, 06:58 AM
 I asked him for photos of the damage to the Rev1.5 and Blast. But i'm not going to hold my breath for the response.


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: thief on March 23, 2010, 07:53 AM
by now this guy is probably going to notice an increase in the attention paid to him and his listings and must be realizing why......

that whole libelous page is a hoot though!


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: ezme6 on March 23, 2010, 01:02 PM
Straight off his domain whois...

Registrant Address1: 3909 Burke Road Suite 3613
Registrant City: Pasadena
Registrant State/Province: Texas
Registrant Postal Code: 77504
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Country Code: US
Registrant Phone Number: +1.7135171391

The voice mail there actually has Dan answering, the same guy who wrote me.

I live about an hour away....firebomb or dynamite?


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: indigo_wolf on March 23, 2010, 01:16 PM
Flechettes?? 

Sorry.... probably not very PC.

ATB,
Sam


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: KiteLife on March 23, 2010, 01:50 PM
The related discussion on Rev's forum now comes up on the third page on Google under "Kyson USA"...

All towards the end of giving regular folks access to a wide variety of independent feedback, let our higher power(s) sort out the rest.


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: DWayne on March 23, 2010, 02:02 PM
Flechettes?? 

Sorry.... probably not very PC.

ATB,
Sam

Beehive rounds, I like it.  ;D


Denny


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: indigo_wolf on March 23, 2010, 02:46 PM
All towards the end of giving regular folks access to a wide variety of independent feedback, let our higher power(s) sort out the rest.

No problems with that... some of my comments were definitely tongue-in-cheek if not readily apparent.  I do find it a bit interesting/worrisome from the third link I posted to their website that Kyson might actually be acting as a distributor for some unnamed manufacturer for knock-off third-party kites and associated gear. The power kiting and buggy stuff is particularly worrisome if they are not up to snuff.

ATB,
Sam


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: Charly on March 24, 2010, 12:13 AM
I was just crusing Fee Bay when I noticed our mutual friend has changed his current ads.  No pictures of his quad kites in his ads, and no more words like SLE, Blast, 1.5, or REV...LOL  Could it be he finally saw the light???

Charly


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: mikenchico on March 24, 2010, 12:40 AM
Reading his responses to people and his responses to honest feedbacks left on 'that auction site' I'm pretty sure he's still in the dark   ::)   

Anybody else notice how anybody who left negative although truthfull feedback was said to have not paid for the product and was a competitor of his trying to hurt his business?   ::)  ::)

Maybe he got a little pressure?



Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: jeepersjoey on March 24, 2010, 05:42 AM
Here is all the mailing info I have.  We have a phone number!  hehehe!

Hi,
 
You may return the kite to the address below for a full refund.  Once the item is receive, we will email you a cancellation request.  Once it is cancelled and positive feedback is left, we will also reimburse your return shipping costs.  Please include a copy of your return shipping receipt so we can reimburse you.  Thank you.
 
Kyson USA
3909 Burke Road Suite #3613
Pasadena, TX 77504
USA
 
Thank you.
 
Jim

Kyson USA
CHARLOTTETHAO2@YAHOO.COM
281-683-8313


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: KiteLife on March 24, 2010, 05:09 PM
Just spent 30 minutes on the phone with eBay and they've agreed that this [libel] listing violates their policies on several levels.

I've been assured that I'll receive some sort of communication from eBay in the next 48 hours regarding resolution.

Score a win for Rev, Kitelife, GWTW and everyone else who was wrongly assaulted through this jerk's activity.


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: jeepersjoey on March 24, 2010, 05:27 PM
It gives me a perverse thrill to know that this started with me.

A positive is that the money was already considered out of the checkbook so I was able to support Steve and buy a 4D instead!

Whoo Whoo!


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: mikenchico on March 25, 2010, 04:02 PM
But the listing is still up, still stating the item will go to the highest bidder over a 24 period.  I can easily see it has been up for over 105 hours by looking at the bidding history, if a fool like me that doesn't know or have full access to the ebay system can prove in 5 seconds that this is not a real offer but the use of the ebay system to slander honest merchants and manufacturers why can't they? In another 2 seconds if I had access to their system that post would be gone. but it's been 76 hours since I sent 5 proofs of the false listing for 5 different violations of ebay stated policy and now it's been 24 hours since John B talked to them on the phone.

It's obvious to me that ebay is in full support of these actions in order to increase their bottom line by a few dollars at the expense of honest hard working people.



Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: quincy on March 25, 2010, 04:42 PM
This is why I don't do ebay. If you get ripped off, there is no recourse unless they agree to help. They are not in the same jurisdiction as I am, so there is no legal remedy I can take. Ebay and Caveat Emptor are synonymous.


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: KiteLife on March 25, 2010, 05:17 PM
I received word from one of the bidders who offered to trade some kites for those two Revs...

The simple reply back, more or less: "These Revolutions won't fly."

Nothing else to it, no declined offer or supporting info...

End of the day, as I understand it, these guys don't actually *have* to accept any of the final bids and pull the ad at any time without selling the products.

My guess, I don't think he actually has these kites to sell.

Seems to me the *entire* ad is a farce, put up purely for the purpose of libel.


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: RS67Man on March 29, 2010, 06:34 PM
Too bad someone with a bit of expendable cash didn't hit the buy it now button on the damaged Revs auction.......that could of been interesting...........that jerk would then have to cough up the kites in the described condition..........

Its all too late now, the post has been removed by the 'bay, finally.


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: RS67Man on March 31, 2010, 05:42 PM
Its BAAAAACCCKKKKK!!!!!!

Our favorite whipping boy has re-posted the so called "damaged" "unflyable" Rev Blast and SLE kites. Buy it now price of $699!!! What a deal!!!

Need to watch this line:

 
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Professional reviews on these kites can be found online > "rev kite reviews-5025txc"


He may add a link of some sort.

I have sent him, through the  ask seller a question, the following message:

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Will you post a photo of damage please.
If product is damaged, why such a high buy it now price? I could purchase both kites brand new from a authorized kite shop with sales tax for over $100 less.


Not expecting any response.....

Will someone pony up the 700 bones and call this guys bluff?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=270556419738&Category=2569&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26its%3DI%26otn%3D1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=270556419738&Category=2569&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26its%3DI%26otn%3D1)



Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: xuzme720 on March 31, 2010, 06:54 PM
Pretty sure you wouldn't even have to put up the cash since he has never responded to ANY offers. But the supposed link he has on the page goes nowhere...? Before he had the libelous page that had everyone under investigation...


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: KiteLife on March 31, 2010, 09:27 PM
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Professional reviews on these kites can be found online > "rev kite reviews-5025txc"
His big plan... There's a page of his somewhere with "rev kite reviews-5025txc" on it, and he's hoping that Google will index that little text line so people can search it up... That's what he'd done with the libel page before I had BlueHost take it down.

So, far, nothing.

rev kite reviews-5025txc
rev kite reviews-5025txc
rev kite reviews-5025txc

Now, this forum page will come up too. :)

*cackle*


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: gbegey on April 01, 2010, 03:52 PM
Friend of mine bought 2 of them, and had never had either out of the bags.    Was hurting for some $ so I bought one from him.  Might as well taken the money and burnt it.   Junk, junk, junk and that's putting it nicely.


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: mikenchico on April 01, 2010, 10:04 PM
I reported the fraudulent listing to ebay again, his 24 hour highest bidder listing has been active for 32 hours now with no winner despite 3 bids.

can't say here how i worded it  >:(



Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: KiteLife on April 01, 2010, 10:38 PM
Good on ya Mike, I've spoken with no less than two other folks (fancy that) who are in the same boat.


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: RS67Man on April 02, 2010, 06:13 AM
I reported it as well, no reply to my question like I thought.......


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: sthorson on April 05, 2010, 08:06 PM
That is not a real REV BLAST. How do I know I made the mistake of ordering one. If you notice the logo is on the wrong side


Title: Re: Is this a genuine REVOLUTION BLAST kite?
Post by: sthorson on April 06, 2010, 04:29 PM
Trust me this is NOT a true Rev Blast. I made the mistake of buying it on ebay I was lucky I got my money back. Then I bought a real REV BLAST