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Title: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: elchiquitin on March 07, 2010, 04:28 PM
Has anyone used teflon spry for lines? it is good?

Thx
Elchiquitin


Title: Re: TEFLON spry for lines
Post by: kiten00b on March 07, 2010, 04:36 PM
I use silicone spray for lines, been doing it for years, works well


Title: Re: TEFLON spry for lines
Post by: ko on March 07, 2010, 05:16 PM
+1    a little bit goes a long way have fun KO


Title: Re: TEFLON spry for lines
Post by: Dano on March 07, 2010, 08:59 PM
Silicone Lubricant Spray

Great Stuff!



Title: Re: TEFLON spry for lines
Post by: tpatter on March 07, 2010, 10:02 PM
I use silicone - works like a dream.  Be sure not to get the stuff with oil additives, or I imagine it would "gunk".



Title: Re: TEFLON spry for lines
Post by: inewham on March 08, 2010, 04:41 AM
+1 for silicone

FWIW I tried dry PTFE spray once, it was dreadful


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: tempest on March 08, 2010, 07:28 AM
Don't know about Teflon. I have been using Silicone ,but anyone knows if it is harmful to the lines in the long run ?


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: kiten00b on March 08, 2010, 08:04 AM
if you use your lines they will not last forever

cleaning then once in a while and lubricating with silicone spray can extend their useful lifespan

it doesn't make old & sticky lines just like new, but it can reduce the friction enough to make them flyable again

it's a couple $ for a can of silicone spray vrs over $70 for a new set of 90# x 120' quad lines for me and I can get another season out of them


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: anOldMan on March 08, 2010, 08:09 AM
Don't know about Teflon. I have been using Silicone ,but anyone knows if it is harmful to the lines in the long run ?

If used in moderation, no. If you coat the line thickly, the Silicone (or Teflon) will become dust and dirt collectors. But that is to be expected.  ;)


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: Jimmer on March 08, 2010, 10:51 AM
So...how do you apply?   Spray directly on the lines and let dry or wipe off, or apply with a cloth?
 ::)


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: kiten00b on March 08, 2010, 12:13 PM
I clean the lines on the winder by soaking in warm water with some dishwashing liquid and then rinsing well
I've sprayed directly on the winder and by staking the lines out and going over them with a silicone saturated cloth, both seem to work
just be sure to wipe off excess if you spray it on the winder


Title: Re: TEFLON spry for lines
Post by: Allen Carter on March 08, 2010, 02:35 PM
I use silicone - works like a dream.  Be sure not to get the stuff with oil additives, or I imagine it would "gunk".



I've never tried this, but I have no funds for new lines, so I'll maybe grease the old ones.

How do you know if it has additives? "100% Pure Extra Virgin Silicone"?   :)


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: tpatter on March 08, 2010, 02:48 PM
I will post the brandname when I get home.


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: Steven L Hall on March 08, 2010, 02:49 PM
I've always bought "Food Grade" Silicone.  Never used it on lines, just for those very sticky fittings.


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: indigo_wolf on March 08, 2010, 03:57 PM
Some Food Grade Silicon Manufacturer's

  • CRC Industries
  • Weston
  • Noble Chemical (under the product name LubriQuick)
  • Kellog's*

All specifically say "Food Grade" on the dispensers.

ATB,
Sam

* Not the same folks that make cereals, so if you are having problems keeping your Cheerio's on the spoon, something else is wrong.



Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: JimB on March 08, 2010, 04:44 PM
Food Grade?

 ???

I just use the stuff used for waterproofing clothing.

Food Grade?

 Who knew?

 ::)


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: ko on March 08, 2010, 04:53 PM
hey allen i will bring my can (silicone)to KP for you and anyone else that wants it and as for teflon  elchi why dont you give it a try and let us know.. maybe its the latest and greatest  wouldnt try it on anything to good though ps allen when are you coming down to my neck of the beach??


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: Steven L Hall on March 08, 2010, 05:19 PM
The stuff I use (CRC Brand) is Food Grade and non-staining.


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: ozonejim on March 08, 2010, 06:35 PM
I've always bought "Food Grade" Silicone.  Never used it on lines, just for those very sticky fittings.
I'm with Steve.  I use "Food Grade" Silicone for those spars that are hard to remove from the fitting and putting fittings on spars.

I see no need to put on lines. 


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: DD on March 08, 2010, 07:27 PM
I like this:
K-Y Intrigue Premium Lubricant is a luxurious high grade silicone lubricant

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Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: mikenchico on March 08, 2010, 09:57 PM
I like this:
K-Y Intrigue Premium Lubricant is a luxurious high grade silicone lubricant


KY didn't even make the top ten in this review (http://www.youradultsearch.com/SiliconeBasedPersonalLubricants_Top10.html), of course lube is a highly personal choice but  Oceanus Sensuals receives higher ratings coming in 3 grades from light up to good for underwater use for those who like to dunk them.

 ;)


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: Bob D on March 09, 2010, 05:15 AM
Silcon spray for linesets! I never knew!


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: anOldMan on March 09, 2010, 07:40 AM
I have been cleaning my lines when I have been flying lately. In Hamburg there has been snow almost all winter. When I fly, I make sure that I wipe the lines with clean snow. Then when i get home I spay a cloth with Silicon and wipe the lines. Works like a charm.  :D


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: elchiquitin on March 09, 2010, 03:47 PM
Thanx men for the answer.


elchiquitin


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: xuzme720 on March 09, 2010, 05:24 PM
I like this:
K-Y Intrigue Premium Lubricant is a luxurious high grade silicone lubricant


KY didn't even make the top ten in this review ([url]http://www.youradultsearch.com/SiliconeBasedPersonalLubricants_Top10.html[/url]), of course lube is a highly personal choice but  Oceanus Sensuals receives higher ratings coming in 3 grades from light up to good for underwater use for those who like to dunk them.

 ;)
Wow, I really like the KY stuff....umm, but you were talking about lines.....sooooooo
ok, bye!


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: elchiquitin on March 10, 2010, 01:35 PM
Asking people here in Spain,
they use to apply  some kind of was for bows.

http://www.decathlon.es/ES/cera-para-cuerda-6058950/ (http://www.decathlon.es/ES/cera-para-cuerda-6058950/)

3,95 € unit,

they say is good product.



Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: Brian O on March 25, 2010, 09:13 AM
Where does one buy "food grade" silicone?  I have the stuff available from the local hardware store and I didn't check to see if it was edible   :-[


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: ko on March 25, 2010, 10:03 AM
i use the hardware type as i dont intend to eat them anytime soon anyway does not seem to pick up dirt when dry and works well to give the lines a little more use


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: EBGB on March 25, 2010, 12:13 PM
Where does one buy "food grade" silicone?  I have the stuff available from the local hardware store and I didn't check to see if it was edible   :-[

Pam (the cooking spray, not Anderson) is silicon dioxide.
Can't say I've ever tried it on kite lines though.

Restaurant supply houses would have the food grade stuff for lubing grinders, slicers, etc.

I got mine from a sewing machine repair shop.


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: kiten00b on March 25, 2010, 12:20 PM
I just use regular grade silicone spray, but I don't floss my teeth with my lines  ::)


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: DWayne on March 25, 2010, 12:52 PM
Pam (the cooking spray, not Anderson) is silicon dioxide.
Pam is canola oil & water not silicon dioxide.  ;)

Denny


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: Gardner on March 30, 2010, 09:47 PM
Bow string wax?  If I remember correctly, isn't that bee's wax? :-[


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: n893 on April 06, 2010, 09:14 AM
I use silicon oil 350cp grade... cheap and thick... so will not make it so messy...

i apply it while winding the line...

first put abit at some used cloth and rub it...

result = very slick line... :)


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: B-13 on August 11, 2011, 02:21 AM
Hello all, i read this topic and was considering silicone spray to protect my lines and make them more slippery. i found this on the market here and would like to know your thoughts on it.

http://www.orapi-maintenance.com/en/fichestechniques/812-SILAL-GB.pdf (http://www.orapi-maintenance.com/en/fichestechniques/812-SILAL-GB.pdf)

Thanks for any help.

Bryan


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: madhabitz on August 30, 2011, 10:40 PM
Sorry to dredge this thread back to the top, but I've been wondering if any of you have ever tried AmorAll (for car care)? I use it as a mold release for the polymer clay stuff I do and it's slick as all get-out. Plus it's got the added UV protection and it cleans
whatever you rub it on. I've got a can of the same silicone Steve mentioned, but it feels like this stuff might work better.

Nancy


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: inewham on August 31, 2011, 04:34 AM
Sort of; similar to ArmorAll but a different brand aerosol silicon spray. I find the solvent in an aerosol helps it disperse on the lines without leaving a too thick coating.


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: mikenchico on August 31, 2011, 07:35 AM
I would test ArmourAll on a piece of old completely trashed line first. It can damage even the plastics it's made to protect. I had heard the rumors before but I went ahead and put it onto an old sun damaged Naugahyde spare tire cover on a motor home once, it took it from pliable and still usable to the point that it shattered when bent in an hour. Fine for protecting new plastics, but test it first before putting it on old stuff that hasn't been treated before. I would be wary of what it might do to Spectra/Dyneema.

I washed and silicon treated an old set of Shanti lines once, I wasn't convinced the results were worth the effort and cost, they were whiter but I don't usually get more then 5-7 wraps and couldn't really tell a difference otherwise. I will add that those lines suffered from quite a bit of fuzzing from flying on fine sand while damp, lines without that type of damage may respond better.



Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: inewham on August 31, 2011, 08:06 AM
ISTR the issue with ArmorAll sending rubber and plastics brittle is due to it dissolving oils and removing them from the material. There used to be lots of stories about the vinyl on car dashboards splitting and cracking.

Spectra is pretty inert and not oily, I've read stories of people soaking spectra in all sorts of chemicals like Deet etc. to see if they'd degrade. I'd guess the chances are it should be ok and if this is to refresh a set of tired lines its not as if there's a lot at stake.

All that said though, a set of new lines is better always :P


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: madhabitz on August 31, 2011, 05:32 PM
Thanks Mike and Ian. If I ever get to the point of actually *needing* something for my lines, I'll go with the silicone.

Nancy


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: ko on August 31, 2011, 06:31 PM
NO armor all it is crap i live in a saltwater,sunny environment and use ONLY 303 Aerospace Protectant it is worth every penny buuuuut back to reconditioning lines ... use silicone spray as stated above


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: madhabitz on August 31, 2011, 06:40 PM
NO armor all it is crap

lol.... yessir! ;-)


Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: mikenchico on September 01, 2011, 07:24 AM
NO armor all it is crap i live in a saltwater,sunny environment and use ONLY 303 Aerospace Protectant it is worth every penny buuuuut back to reconditioning lines ... use silicone spray as stated above

Yep, I can never remember the name of the 303 I always have to go find my bottle, it's all I use anymore also. Never tried it on lines but I don't think it would be better then silicon for adding back slipperiness. For plastics though it's not as sickenly greasy looking, has a great UV block and hasn't damaged anything I've used it on. I originally tried it because of a thread on adding back body, color and protection to worn kite fabrics over on Kitebuilder. I'm not convinced it really helped there but I loved it on my auto's and pool liner. Kent at Wind of Change posted another treatment for kite fabrics used by the Power Kiters on thier foils that sounded more promising for kite use, I forgot that name too though.



Title: Re: TEFLON spray for lines
Post by: mikenchico on September 01, 2011, 12:24 PM
As "Line Maintenance" like you've pointed out the process is probably worthwhile, not so much in repairing my damaged the lines. Flying at the beach especially near the water on the wet sand gets your lines very sticky, and WSIKF sand is fine enough to work itself between fibers. I've noticed when flying near the water at Long Beach that the lines quickly get to the point that you feel the added drag with just a few wraps. I'm sure that along with neglect contributed to the fuzzy damage I experienced. Silicone would add some repellency from future moisture and dirt too if you frequently fly in those conditions.

I need to get a little more pro-active about that maintenance thing ... which reminds me ... which line set did I use at WSIKF two weeks ago?