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Title: something wrong with the forum
Post by: david barnby on April 05, 2010, 01:36 PM
cant find any info on the ipad - where else would i look?

guess those of you who bought them have no time for anything else :)


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: chilese on April 05, 2010, 02:18 PM
They are really good at spin tricks, but suck at pitch based moves. Perhaps with some tail weight.....

Surface can also be used to prepare vegetables while catching up on stock quotes.

You need one little brother.  :)


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: Untitled on April 05, 2010, 02:46 PM
ColbertRepot_iPad.mp4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygHsIlzYOho#)


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: Moe on April 05, 2010, 02:59 PM
Surface can also be used to prepare vegetables

Gah!  Beaten to the punch - it's also great at chopping your fresh, home made salsa.  :)

Interestingly, Charlie Rose did an hour on it last night.  And ended with what amounted to a commercial for the thing - I'm not anti-Apple or particularly pro-Apple, but it was kinda skeezy to hear a journalist/interviewer basically end an hour long interview by gushing about how wonderful and life-changing (slash-affirming?) the tablet was.  Left a pretty poor taste in one's mouth


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: thief on April 05, 2010, 03:22 PM
Sorry Senior Barnby: Frazer left the forum...he brought us a bunch of the techy newsy stuff....


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: Allen Carter on April 05, 2010, 05:33 PM
I bet Fraz is lurking.

Some gushing on the 'Pad might bring him out...


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: GEB on April 05, 2010, 06:21 PM
My daughter bought one Saturday and we used it all day. Very nice. I think Steve Jobs has done it again. The real beauty of this thing begins when you actually have one in your hands and start using it. I was way more impressed with it than I though I would be. And No --- I am not a Mac disciple.

I think it would do backspins pretty well, but she wouldn't let me try.


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: xuzme720 on April 05, 2010, 07:31 PM
Since I have an iPhone and a laptop I need for work I haven't seen any need for one... ::)

From what I've heard it's basically a large screen iPhone, even uses the same OS...


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: mikenchico on April 06, 2010, 11:40 AM
We did a whole thread on it here

http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=2438.0 (http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=2438.0) 

I think the consensus was ???

John C's review above was spot on though



Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: RonG on April 06, 2010, 11:56 AM
My dad and brother both had them (32gb and 64gb respectively) and brought them on Easter.  I was completely underwhelmed.  It's an overgrown iPod touch as far as I'm concerned.  I'm probably in the minority on this but I just don't see the appeal.


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: DWayne on April 06, 2010, 02:25 PM
I was completely underwhelmed.  It's an overgrown iPod touch as far as I'm concerned.  I'm probably in the minority on this but I just don't see the appeal.

+1

Denny


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: quincy on April 06, 2010, 04:53 PM
Another dissenting vote:
http://www.youtube.com/user/THISisCaSpEr (http://www.youtube.com/user/THISisCaSpEr)


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: fidelio on April 06, 2010, 05:22 PM
I was completely underwhelmed.  It's an overgrown iPod touch as far as I'm concerned.  I'm probably in the minority on this but I just don't see the appeal.
+1
+2


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: Allen Carter on April 06, 2010, 05:24 PM
It's an overgrown iPod touch

That is the main appeal. If you like using your iPhone or Touch, you'll probably like this thing. It's not about capability and specs, it's a user interface thing.


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: RonG on April 06, 2010, 08:33 PM
It's an overgrown iPod touch

That is the main appeal. If you like using your iPhone or Touch, you'll probably like this thing. It's not about capability and specs, it's a user interface thing.
Well I guess that explains it.  I have an iPod Touch, and it only gets used to play music in the car or at the gym, nothing else.  Aside from my laptops (which rarely get used outside of docking stations), I have no need to be connected away from my desk.  Even my cell phone is rarely used, and then only for voice calls.

Don't get me wrong, I think iPod/Phone/Pad all have a fantastic, intuitive design from a UI perspective, but I just can't get excited about them.


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: GEB on April 06, 2010, 09:37 PM
Years ago I was the first among my friends to have a portable cassette deck. It was about a foot long, six inches wide and four inches thick. We were all pretty impressed. Last Sunday I sat down with this Ipad on my lap. It was about the size of a National Geographic magazine. After just a few minutes I thought about the capabilities of it.

I could put a hundred compact discs/albums on it

Many of my favorite or new movies on it

Thousands of pictures

Send messages to friends around the world in seconds

Look at most any place in the world from space to street level

Have a thousand of my books from my library on it

Play hundreds of video games on it

Write any type of paper I might want.

Balance my financial statements

View and learn from millions of topics from all over the world

Read the newspaper and magazines

Order almost anything and make reservations almost anywhere.

Etc. Etc. Etc.

Then my 4-year-old Granddaughter came over and asks if I wanted to play a game?
She picked it up and literally within seconds started a video game. Then showed me her favorite music video, how to paint a picture, and how to build a construction site complete with vehicles. Easy to use yea!
There may be fast and better devices for each of the things it can do, but it is all there in one small package with no cables, portable and just down right cool. IMO


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: Bob D on April 07, 2010, 04:30 AM
I have an 8 gig Creative Zen that I'm using to watch Battlestar Galactica (2 episodes at a time, 2 meg an episode) and I've got 80 albums on it. I have a little over 2 gig left over. We have a computer in the kitchen on most of the time to access the internet. I'm sure it's nice but I've got all the digital access I need.


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: inewham on April 07, 2010, 05:00 AM
Will It Blend? - iPad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko&feature=youtu.be#)



Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: DWayne on April 07, 2010, 06:22 AM
 ???
Pretty tough blender.  :D

Denny


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: John Welden on April 07, 2010, 07:18 AM
I'm sure this sort of device will be common in not too many years. They'll come down in price like everything else and you'll be able to get one for a hundred bucks.

Why go through all the trouble to print media when you can view it on a tablet. No paper, no garbage, sounds good to me.

Apple event tomorrow to show iPhone OS 4.0 beta. Hopefully they'll add some cool stuff.


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: xuzme720 on April 07, 2010, 05:52 PM
I'm sure this sort of device will be common in not too many years. They'll come down in price like everything else and you'll be able to get one for a hundred bucks.

Why go through all the trouble to print media when you can view it on a tablet. No paper, no garbage, sounds good to me.

Apple event tomorrow to show iPhone OS 4.0 beta. Hopefully they'll add some cool stuff.
Hopefully one of those things is adding attachments to emails! And flash would be great ,too. I always thought it to be strange that you can't play quicktime movies on an apple device!


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: david barnby on April 08, 2010, 02:51 PM
adding attachments is easy - just tap on them and the thing asked you what you want to do mms/email etc

oops that's my iphone ;)

but just checked - same on the ipaddle too

it has been here since sunday and in 5 hands, not one person has missed flash but probably that will happen on the next browse -

it has to be the best way to browse the web so far. sitting in an armchair, no mouse, no heat, no weight, easy to hold, fast, snappy and wonderful rendition of pictures

talking of pictures - it took 30 hours to convert our families 7,800 digital images in folders named 1998 to 2010 and sync them to the paddle. my wife and i cant put the thing down. this is what a photo frame should be like. is really really good.

does other stuff too apparently - will get to it

was really surprised at the lack of enthusiasm here knowing how many members choose apple for their computing and portable music - the paddle is not a computer, large itouch or even a kite. is a new category completely. at least the way it gets used around here. wonder if it will fly (in the market that is)?


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: zippy8 on April 08, 2010, 03:54 PM
(http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/should_i_buy_an_ipad.jpg)

Maybe when my eyesight goes and my desire for free will has left me I'll replace my Archos 5 'droid and consider whatever comes along in the wake of the iPad. I'm sure it's lovely but I'm equally sure it's not, by any sane definition of the term, important. The Archos isn't either.

And for a nail:coffin moment.... 2-Year-Old Loves the iPad (http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/2-year-old-loves-the-ipad).  :o

(http://media.techeblog.com/images/ipad_kid.jpg)
This is you.

AND THERE'S MORE !!!

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/04/2010-04-08-iphoneos-iad-10.jpg)
Ads built in to the operating system with 40% of "revenues" going to Apple. There's a new standard for evil.

Mike,
slow night.


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: GEB on April 08, 2010, 05:50 PM
adding attachments is easy - just tap on them and the thing asked you what you want to do mms/email etc

oops that's my iphone ;)

but just checked - same on the ipaddle too

it has been here since sunday and in 5 hands, not one person has missed flash but probably that will happen on the next browse -

it has to be the best way to browse the web so far. sitting in an armchair, no mouse, no heat, no weight, easy to hold, fast, snappy and wonderful rendition of pictures

talking of pictures - it took 30 hours to convert our families 7,800 digital images in folders named 1998 to 2010 and sync them to the paddle. my wife and i cant put the thing down. this is what a photo frame should be like. is really really good.

does other stuff too apparently - will get to it

was really surprised at the lack of enthusiasm here knowing how many members choose apple for their computing and portable music - the paddle is not a computer, large itouch or even a kite. is a new category completely. at least the way it gets used around here. wonder if it will fly (in the market that is)?

Dave, The lack of enthusiasm probably comes from people who are yet to have one in their hands. Once you do the seamless interface and potential of this thing starts to dawn on you. I am not one to be impressed with the "latest gadget syndrome", but this thing is really quite impressive. People are still trying to figure out what they would use one for. Once the applications start to flow out and the inevitable kinks in firmware are overcome the simple beauty of this thing will become much more apparent.


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: xuzme720 on April 08, 2010, 06:00 PM
oops that's my iphone ;)

but just checked - same on the ipaddle too
I have an iPhone and love it! I was just talking about from inside email, I know you can send MMS or email from the photo section...

it has been here since sunday and in 5 hands, not one person has missed flash but probably that will happen on the next browse -
Again, on the iPhone, if I get an email with a quicktime video, no can play. just seems a little goofy to me... ::)
 



Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: John Welden on April 09, 2010, 07:06 AM
Multitasking coming! Should make a lot of people quit bitching.  :P Only works on 3Gs supposedly. Coming to iPad in the fall.

iAd could be good or bad. Everyone hates crap adds that they're not interested in. If the adds are well made for things we're interested in, I'll take that over the crap banner adds we have now. If you click on an iAD, it doesn't take you out of the app and you can close the ad at any time and go right back to the app.  Great idea.

It's starting to look like  Google-Apple world domination in the future. Microsoft? Are they still around?

It sure is an amazing time to live in for computer technology.  I have a hand held computer in my pocket that is amazingly powerful?!  I can communicate with people all over the world and look up information on just about anything! Camera, video, music, GPS, email, web, zillion apps. How insane is that? Anyone who bitches about this stuff has got to be crazy.  We get all this for a couple hundred bucks!

Think where this stuff will be in only five years from now. So crazy...


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: thief on April 09, 2010, 07:10 AM
Think where this stuff will be in only five years from now. So crazy...

we all know by then it will just be implanted in the skin with an apple tattoo over it ;)


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: John Welden on April 09, 2010, 07:59 AM
Think where this stuff will be in only five years from now. So crazy...

we all know by then it will just be implanted in the skin with an apple tattoo over it ;)

I'll do it.  8)


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: zippy8 on April 09, 2010, 10:55 AM
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/04/2010-04-08-iphoneos-iad-10.jpg)

Combine this little gem, soon to be foisted upon everyone with an iWhatever, with Apple's simply delightful patented advertising strategy (http://www.macrumors.com/2010/03/05/apple-patent-application-reveals-flexible-integration-of-advertising-viewing-in-video-files/) that forces you to interact with the adverts (http://ipwatchdog.com/patents/US20090265214.pdf) (I can think of an emotion to go with that).

I realise that the AppleAddicts willingly forego some any control over what they do but this is bordering on self harm.

You enjoy yourselves. :-X I'm sure that you will.

Mike.


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: fidelio on April 09, 2010, 02:45 PM
Camera, video, music, GPS, email, web, zillion apps. We get all this for a couple hundred bucks!

a couple hundred bucks? i don't think so. (http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/ipad-vs-iphone-what-does-3g-cost-you/)


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: DWayne on April 09, 2010, 04:17 PM
When the LG GW990 is released this summer, the iphone and the maxipad are going to seem almost obsolete.


Denny


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: fidelio on April 09, 2010, 04:31 PM
When the HAL 9000 is released this summer, the iphone and the maxipad are going to seem almost obsolete.


Denny

fixed


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: GEB on April 09, 2010, 04:37 PM
I heard a rumor Dell is coming out with one that will allow you to fly a kite remotely without lines. You just think of a trick and the kite does it. It canít make your kite do two tricks at a time though, so Iím holding out for one that will.


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: fidelio on April 09, 2010, 04:44 PM
no, that'd be premier.


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: mikenchico on April 09, 2010, 04:53 PM
When the LG GW990 is released this summer, the iphone and the maxipad are going to seem almost obsolete.


But I don't see that the LG is going to pop-up advertisements, might as well run Windows. I can't believe how many years, time & money I've wasted with pop-up blockers and ad-ware & spy-ware cleaners when all this time those annoyances should have been considered features & bundled with the operating system. I can't believe I was so NaÔve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Na%C3%AFve)  :D





Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: tpatter on April 09, 2010, 06:23 PM
You know, dual lines used to come without standoffs!  :)

A full-touch interface is progress, no matter how you look at it.


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: xuzme720 on April 09, 2010, 07:38 PM
You know, dual lines used to come without standoffs!  :)

A full-touch interface is progress, no matter how you look at it.

No standoffs?!? Shoot, back in my day, stunt kites only had one line, and we flew in NO wind, and we liked it! :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: Kantaxel on April 09, 2010, 11:31 PM
Yeah...............I remember having to walk the walk (shame, I'm sayin') uphill in both directions....... in two feet of snow barefoot!      :-X :'(


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: John Welden on April 10, 2010, 07:56 AM
([url]http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/04/2010-04-08-iphoneos-iad-10.jpg[/url])

Combine this little gem, soon to be foisted upon everyone with an iWhatever, with Apple's simply delightful patented advertising strategy ([url]http://www.macrumors.com/2010/03/05/apple-patent-application-reveals-flexible-integration-of-advertising-viewing-in-video-files/[/url]) that forces you to interact with the adverts ([url]http://ipwatchdog.com/patents/US20090265214.pdf[/url]) (I can think of an emotion to go with that).

I realise that the AppleAddicts willingly forego some any control over what they do but this is bordering on self harm.

You enjoy yourselves. :-X I'm sure that you will.

Mike.


Why will people be forced to click on the adds to open them? I don't see how it's any different than the adds on this forum.  If you want to click on them you can. If anything the user has more control. Clicking on the add won't take them out of the app and into the web browser.  The add that does pop up can be closed any any time.

The 60 40 split is industry standard. Nothing new.

Developers don't have to use Apples ad service, they're still free to do their own thing.

With this new ad technology I could see myself MAYBE clicking on an ad.

I don't see how this is the end of the world.



Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: DD on April 10, 2010, 08:47 AM
You know, dual lines used to come without standoffs!  :)

A full-touch interface is progress, no matter how you look at it.


Maybe the fact the touchh interface is in such a small package but not that new imho, we have had touch interface on poker machines, nintendo ds, atms etc for many years


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: Allen Carter on April 10, 2010, 08:50 AM
I suppose it will depend on if App ads are closer to the Google or the Webshots end of the spectrum. Either way, it's voluntary.


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: mikenchico on April 10, 2010, 09:25 AM
I get ticked off at Microsoft because once every two months they redirect your browsers home page to the Internet Explorer homepage in order to expose you to 3rd party apps.

I go into a rage when somebody installs a game, java, flash or anything else that hyjacks any part of your browser or installs any spyware like Google Toolbar etc.

IMO if you're making money off of me, even if the data is not personal, then you better be giving me a kickback.  

It remains to be seen if the apps this is supposedly keeping free are so useful and valuable that giving up all control over your communication devices and every shred of privacy you may imagine you still retain is worth it.

Allowing anybody with a few bucks access to the GPS info on a device uniquely identified as mine that I carry daily is so far beyond my comfort level that .... really ... how can ....  :-X

Somehow this vid seems appropriate

Step Right Up - Tom Waits Tribute.mov (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8KUx_SsB1g#)



Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: John Welden on April 10, 2010, 10:23 AM
Quote
Allowing anybody with a few bucks access to the GPS info on a device uniquely identified as mine that I carry daily is so far beyond my comfort level that .... really ... how can ....

The iphone will notify you any time an app wants to use your location and ask if you want to allow it.
 
In OS4 you'll be able to set permissions for any app that uses location. (in settings)

There will also be an icon next to the battery icon that shows up whenever location is being used.

Can someone get around this and track you? Don't know, but I doubt it will be easy. I think apple understands how paranoid people are. I'm willing to take the risk so I can use this technology. If you're not, don't use it.




Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: xuzme720 on April 10, 2010, 11:32 AM
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they are NOT watching you!


Title: Tee hee
Post by: zippy8 on April 10, 2010, 12:00 PM
Windows 95 on iPad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9NeRQjGwfs#)

So it does have a use.  :D

Mike.


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: John Welden on April 10, 2010, 02:52 PM
Went and tried out the iPad about an hour ago.

It's a little heavier than I expected.
It's very responsive. There isn't any waiting.
Construction is amazing.
Screen looks great.
typing on it wasn't a big deal.

I wish it had more multi touch features
wish it was lighter

I expect like the phones, the Android tablets will be better for power users.

Like they say, it's a giant iPod touch.  The experience is about the same in my opinion.  It doesn't do anything all that much differently than my phone other than it's big and bright.

I'll hold off on getting one.  Down the road, sure it would be nice to have around.  If I traveled a lot I'd rather haul around an ipad than a laptop.


Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: david barnby on April 23, 2010, 12:49 AM
methinks is not a giant itouch really - it truly is a new category product

try the wsj app and see what i mean. it truly is something that a real paper, pc, mac or itouch/phone cant do. not only that - is fully absorbing and compelling

the advertising is in there and far more digestable (less annoying) than other formats. no pop ups like have to be suffered using a browser - my opinion only

as per my first post - am surprised at the lack of interest even though i understand the cynicism




Title: Re: something wrong with the forum
Post by: John Welden on April 24, 2010, 08:19 AM
methinks is not a giant itouch really - it truly is a new category product

It's the same OS as the phone, so it has the same look and feel.  That's all I meant by saying it's giant ipod touch.

I didn't mean to make it sound like it's JUST an oversized iPhone. Once you're using the iPad specific apps, the experience is much different.