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Title: Prophecy
Post by: GEB on April 12, 2010, 08:36 PM
I lost the bag with the 6 stand offs for my Prism Prophecy. Anybody know the lengths and diameter of them so I can build new ones.


Title: Re: Prophecy
Post by: Steve Hall on April 12, 2010, 09:27 PM
I got complete spec's somewhere ... I'll dig them out for you in the morning.


Title: Re: Prophecy
Post by: GEB on April 12, 2010, 10:04 PM
Thanks Steve.


Title: Re: Prophecy
Post by: Gamelord on April 13, 2010, 12:39 PM
Outer standoffs:
.110 solid fiberglass - 81/4" long

Middle Standoff:
.110 solid carbon - 11 5/16" long

Inner Standoff:
.110 solid fiberglass - 9" long


Title: Re: Prophecy
Post by: chilese on April 13, 2010, 12:54 PM
If you take off the outer standoff, the Proph will barrel roll (backspin to some) but it's really a barrel roll.


Title: Re: Prophecy
Post by: indigo_wolf on April 13, 2010, 01:00 PM
If you take off the outer standoff, the Proph will barrel roll (backspin to some) but it's really a barrel roll.

It just sounds like there's a story there.  ::)

ATB,
Sam


Title: Re: Prophecy
Post by: Allen Carter on April 13, 2010, 02:45 PM
Not worth it. The Proph doesn't fly right without those extra whiskers.

Stock it rolls well enough for JLs so I leave it.


Title: Re: Prophecy
Post by: GEB on April 13, 2010, 06:26 PM
Outer standoffs:
.110 solid fiberglass - 81/4" long

Middle Standoff:
.110 solid carbon - 11 5/16" long

Inner Standoff:
.110 solid fiberglass - 9" long

Thanks

Is this measurement with or without the fittings?


Title: Re: Prophecy
Post by: Gamelord on April 14, 2010, 10:44 AM
Without fitting.


Title: Re: Prophecy
Post by: Svolazzo on April 14, 2010, 02:41 PM

Here are the sizes of the stand offs of one of my Prophecy, I took the measurements, as showed in the below drawing, from the vinyl end caps to the end of the opened sail fittings
Measurements are in millimeters:
Outer: 213 mm
Middle: 291 mm
Inner: 232 mm
Diameter: 3 mm

(http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/27323/2183859080105122638S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2183859080105122638tMRMxQ)


Title: Re: Prophecy
Post by: GEB on April 14, 2010, 08:28 PM
Thanks again for all the replys. I have everything to make new ones and I'll write the sizes down just in case I lose them again. :)


Title: Re: Prophecy
Post by: KeithG on April 14, 2010, 08:40 PM
The Prophecy will backspin even in you leave the standoffs in place.


Title: Re: Prophecy
Post by: chilese on April 14, 2010, 09:55 PM
The standoffs that sit out near the end of the LS are there to force the wingtip to act much like an outrigger. The standoff reduces lift and increases stability.

The several times many of us tried the "barrel roll" with the outer standoff in place, we didn't even get close. Now if you slide the standoff connector in toward the center T, then the sail flattens out and you've got a chance.

I bow, of course, to people who can overcome the inherent stability of the design.

I should have said, "We mere mortals couldn't get a Proph in standard configuration to barrel roll."  ::)


Title: Re: Prophecy
Post by: KeithG on April 15, 2010, 08:03 AM
Granted it has been a few years ago but we had three of these kites in our club. I do not recall having to do anything to any of the three to backspin them. We may have but I don't think we did. You don't have to be an alien or super human to get it to do it, only a good flyer, that has spent hundreds of hours of time learning to fly tricks on all kinds of kites.  ;)
 
On the Mamba it helped a great deal to move the outer standoffs to get it to backspin, so I'm sure it helps with the Proph.





Title: Re: Prophecy
Post by: Jared on April 15, 2010, 10:32 AM
The Prophecy will backspin even in you leave the standoffs in place.

I've done it, but I think 9 foot long arms would help!


Title: Re: Prophecy
Post by: KeithG on April 15, 2010, 02:32 PM
The Prophecy will backspin even in you leave the standoffs in place.

I've done it, but I think 9 foot long arms would help!

You need 9 foot arms to spin Thor's Hammer, no I've never done it but have seen one do one rung of a jacobs ladder.


Title: Re: Prophecy
Post by: Kantaxel on April 16, 2010, 02:29 AM
The Prophecy will backspin even in you leave the standoffs in place.

I've done it, but I think 9 foot long arms would help!

You need 9 foot arms to spin Thor's Hammer, no I've never done it but have seen one do one rung of a jacobs ladder.

It doesn't take long arms to spin a Thors.....just a lot of ability to give it slack when the winds hit 5-6........it's much easier in 3MPH


Title: Re: Prophecy
Post by: Michel on November 03, 2011, 03:15 PM
Prism Stand offs -
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* Measurements are from the front side of the sail clip
to the end cap/ends unless otherwise noted - These measurements were taken here and do not reflect Prism Designs, manufacturing specifications.
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3-D
Outer/Short 5 - 5/16" total length .050 carbon
sail stop is set at 3/8" in from the end of the rod
Inner/Long 6 - 13/16" total length .050 carbon
sail stop is set at 3/8" in from the end of the rod

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Alien
8 - 1/16" .110 carbon - ref to top note *
Total length from end to end with cap and sail clip installed 8 - 3/8"
(sail clip not closed)
(Upper Spreader = 22 - 11/16" .1960 carbon)
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98 Std. Eclipse
9 - 7/16" .110 Carbon - ref to top note *
Total length from end to end with cap and sail clip installed 9 - 3/4"
(sail clip not closed)
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Vented Eclipse
Stand offs 9 - 3/4 "
Battons .098 carbon - 13-3/8"
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SUL Eclipse
Stand offs 9 - 3/4 "
Battons .098 carbon - 13-3/8"
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Elixir
Inner & outer 7-1/8" .110 glass
Middle 9 -3/4" .110 glass
Total length from end to end with cap and sail clip installed
(sail clip not closed)
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98 Fanatic
Inner 8 - 3/4" .110 carbon - ref to top note *
Outer 6 - 5/8" .110 carbon - ref to top note *
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98 Illusion Std & Vented
Inner 9 - 1/2" .110 carbon - ref to top note *
Total length from end to end with cap and sail clip installed 9 - 7/8"
(sail clip not closed)
Outer 7 - 5/8" .110 carbon - ref to top note *
Total length from end to end with cap and sail clip installed 8"
(sail clip not closed)

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Legacy
Outer .110 carbon - 8.3125"
Inner . 110 glass - 9.0 "
Middle . 110 carbon - 10.4375"
Total length from end to end with cap and sail clip installed
(sail clip not closed)

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Micron
Clip on style 5 - 3/8" .080 carbon - ref to top note*
Total length from end to end and sail clip installed 5 - 5/8"
(sail clip not closed)
Old style with aluminum stop at sail 5 - 3/16" ref to top note*
Total length from end to end 5 - 5/8"
( total lenght of actual stand off rod after sail stop is installed is 5 - 3/16"

(Upper Spreader = 7 - 1/2" .098 carbon)

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98 Ozone Clip on standoffs
Outer 6 - 5/8" .080 carbon - ref to top note *
Inner 8 - 3/4" - ref to top note *
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98 Ozone Early
Outer Batten style - total length 7 - 1/2" end cap to end cap installed
Inner 8 - 3/4" - ref to top note *
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Prophecy
Shortest stand off : outer holes
7 - 15/16" .110 carbon - ref to top note *
Total length from end to end with cap and sail clip installed 8- 5/16"
(sail clip not closed)

Medium stand off: Inner holes
8 - 11/16" .110 carbon - ref to top note *
Total length from end to end with cap and sail clip installed 9 - 1/16"
(sail clip not closed)

Long Stand off: Middle holes
11" .110 carbon - ref to top note *
Total length from end to end with cap and sail clip installed 11-3/8"
(sail clip not closed)

(Upper spreader 24- 1/2")
(lower spreader 34 - 1/4" just rod, ferrule not in this measurment)
Exposed solid ferrule lenght should be 2 - 1/4"

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Radian
with aluminum stop at sail 8 - 3/ 8" .098 carbon - ref to top note*
Total length from end to end 8 - 7/8""
( total lenght of actual stand off rod after sail stop is installed is 8 - 3/8")
Sail Battons shortest to longest .098 glass
6 - 1/2"
8 - 3/4"
12 - 3/8"
15 - 1/8"

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Spark
Single stand off 9 - 1/2"
Total length from end to end with cap and sail clip installed 9 -7/8"
(sail clip not closed)

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Spark II
Inner 5 - 3/4" .110 carbon - ref to top note *
Total length from end to end with cap and sail clip installed 6 - 1/8"
(sail clip not closed)
Outer 6 - 5/8" .110 carbon - ref to top note *
Total length from end to end with cap and sail clip installed 8"
(sail clip not closed)

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Total Eclipse
11 - 5/8 " .110 carbon - ref to top note *
Total length from end to end with cap and sail clip installed 11"
(sail clip not closed)
(Sail Batton - end to end with caps on - 16 - 3/4")


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Triad (frame/spreaders) 15 -5/16" .080 carbon
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Vapor
Inner 9 - 7/8 ".080 carbon - ref to top note *
Total length from end to end and sail clip installed10 -1/8"
(sail clip not closed)
Outer 7 - 3/16" .080 carbon (clip on style)- ref to top note *
Total length from end to end and sail clip installed 7 - 3/8"
(sail clip not closed)

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Vector
Inner 6 - 3/4" .080 carbon - ref to top note *
Total length from end to end and sail clip installed 7- 1/8"
(sail clip not closed)
Outer 5 - 3/8 " .050 carbon (clip on style)- ref to top note *
Total length from end to end and sail clip installed 5 - 1/2 "
(sail clip not closed)

Outer Batten style - NA

(Upper Spreader = 17 - 3/8" .125 carbon)