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Title: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: Steve Hall on April 17, 2010, 10:54 AM
... it's an RC kite (?)

Radio Controlled Kite (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEhpXaiIK60#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: Bodega Bay Flyer on April 17, 2010, 09:29 PM
Wow! A most enjoyable video. My second favorite next to the quad line piggy.


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: Kantaxel on April 18, 2010, 05:48 PM
So it's a plane? Right?
Not controlled by strings and it's powered.
It's not apparent, by going to the website, what the servos move as far as control surfaces, but it sure looks like a lot of fun...................

Takes me back to my RC glider days :) for sure

thanks,
Jim


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: DaveH on April 18, 2010, 06:05 PM
If you look carefully at the closeup, you can see the servos control the thrust line of the prop.  There are two pushrods that I could see, one on either side of the prop. I assume they control yaw and pitch.  Thrust vectoring  ( me thinks)is responsible for control.


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: Kantaxel on April 18, 2010, 07:01 PM
What about the two propped model?  I'm assuming since only two servos............you are only running two channels.........maybe I just don't have my head wrapped around thrust vectoring...........probably....

Jim


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: DaveH on April 18, 2010, 07:07 PM
Sorry, Jim. I only saw the beginning of the vid and couldn't see the setup that well.    What I saw ( I think) was a single prop hooked to two pushrods which could easily handle the functions of pitch and yaw.  Thrust vectoring is a current buzz word in the world of RC aircraft performing aerobatics below stall speed which we call 3D flying.  The concept seemed to fit, however, since this RC kite had its pushrods attached to the thrust line.  I have lots (too much  ???) experience with the current RC stuff, but admittedly didn't look all that close at the vid.   If I'm mistaken I appologize.


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: Kantaxel on April 18, 2010, 07:17 PM
No apology needed......I went to the website and saw the easy cruiser which right now is unavailable.......It has two props and the mechanics of two servos contolling two props is what has me confused.  (confusion, btw, is my middle name..........I didn't look all that close on the vid with the model that was shown as far as thrust vectoring would go so I'm assuming that is possible....and even controlling two props is possible as long as the pushrods were stacked  :-[ :-\  I think ::)

Hoping Steve or Ted will jump in here and enlighten me ;)

Uh-oh ...............  got too many toys that involve sails.....I better stop while I'm ahead   :(


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: zippy8 on April 18, 2010, 07:27 PM
I think what I'd do is have an accomplice put one up on a line, let it settle in "normal" kite flight and then..... freak people out from a position of hiding.  ;D

Lots like a neat, thrust vectored toy.

Mike.


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: DD on April 18, 2010, 08:05 PM
I think what I'd do is have an accomplice put one up on a line, let it settle in "normal" kite flight and then..... freak people out from a position of hiding.  ;D

that a brilliantly evil idea, I like it!


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: zippy8 on April 18, 2010, 09:05 PM
that a brilliantly evil idea, I like it!

A scene from my offices:-

(http://www.elisanet.fi/mike.emery/Avatars/EvilInc.gif)

at least in my imagination. (http://www.evil-comic.com/)

Mike.


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: mikenchico on April 18, 2010, 09:09 PM
At least 3 channels, there is a throttle too. Directional control is purely by thrust vectoring and works well. Watched Ted fly it briefly Saturday but the flight got cut short when the motor popped off in a hard landing & none of us had the proper allen wrench on board to put it back in so he had to call it a day. Easy fix, nothing damaged and it may even be a safety feature to release the shock rather then having a hard mount. Get yourself the proper allen wrench to keep with you if you get one.

Sort of cool & drew a lot of comments from the folks around the park. Having been away from any electric motor powered hobbies for years I am amazed at the small size and power output these things have now. The motor is about the size of a stack of 3 quarters but much lighter and will pull that thing straight up for a pretty decent distance.



Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: Kantaxel on April 18, 2010, 10:05 PM
Mike's right!
I got an opportunity here at work to delve further into the website....yep pretty cool...............two thrust control servos and an infinitely adjustable throttle..........Looks like I'm hooked!!

(of course all you guys were right-confusion is epidemic in people my age) ;D

thanks,
Jim


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: stringfly on April 19, 2010, 12:31 PM
The Cannard flys great. Much better I think than the Pyramid Racer. The Racer often just had a mind of its own. Solid control was about 50% of the time. It's glide was poor to say the least. I traded it for the Cannard and it does fly very nice. Have flown it in light wind and it did fine. I would not fly it though in anything over about 8mph. You could, but the fun factor would go way down. Very pleased with the Cannard. Planning to put the vectored power unit on some other kites I have. Like Carsten's airplane kite.

Stringfly  <>+++++


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Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: stringfly on April 19, 2010, 12:35 PM
For more info see my post :
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1167400 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1167400)


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: gliderdude on April 19, 2010, 03:47 PM
Here's the straight scoop from the guy flying the Pyramid Racer in the video!

Don't start with the pyramid racer, unless you have some RC flying experience. It's aerobatic, so it WON"T be as stable as the Canard (I plan to add the Canard next). The Canard is 100" long. That's a long moment arm. The Pyramid Racer is only 54" long... it'll loop (it's almost a back-flip) practically in it's own length. But uncontrollable 50% of the time... I think not. The Racer does everything I want it to, including flying at 24" of altitude all over the park yesterday morning (there was no one else on the park at 8 AM). It loops, and I mean BIG loops if you know what you're doing. Wait til you figure out how to roll it (I've managed to do it twice so far).

My only objection is that the charger only charges in 20 minutes the first time. After that, it's about an hour... off the wall or off the car battery. Best to have 1 or 2 extra batteries AND the charger.

In my opinion Premier RC is a great value... serious engineering and excellent quality.

The bottom line for me? What a BLAST! I'd be out flying it right now if it weren't so windy today.


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: gliderdude on April 19, 2010, 04:04 PM
Ad Nauseum...

The one brushless, outrunner moter (28 grams) puts out 800 grams of thrust. The whole kite weighs just over a pound. That means the kite can "Go vertical" and keep on climbing. The motor puts out more thrust (800 grams) than the weight of the kite (about 500 grams). As to the Racer's glide... it glides just fine. It's not meant to "Float." When you bring it in for a landing, once you've lined up for where you want to land (sometimes I fly it to myself and catch it), bring it down to about 2-3 feet, level off and kill the throttle. I suggest you land into the wind like any good pilot.

As you might have already guessed, I'm into anything that flies! I hold a pilot's license with Glider rating, I fly RC gliders and parkflyers... and I've been Tako Kichi, or "Kite Crazy" for 25 years.

NOTE: there is NO two motor model. One motor on a gimbal, contolled by 2 servos (up/down & left/right). Add a ESC speed control and you've got 3 channels. If you're into RC, it's like rudder and elevator. So simple.



Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: Kantaxel on April 19, 2010, 04:33 PM
Ad Nauseum...

NOTE: there is NO two motor model. One motor on a gimbal, contolled by 2 servos (up/down & left/right). Add a ESC speed control and you've got 3 channels. If you're into RC, it's like rudder and elevator. So simple.



Easy Cruiser?? .................Two motors.......(or so Premierrc says)



Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: stringfly on April 19, 2010, 07:14 PM
I think they dropped the cruiser before it ever came out.

Stringfly <>+++++


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: Kantaxel on April 19, 2010, 07:27 PM
Could be.......


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: stringfly on April 20, 2010, 06:43 AM
To see lots of R/C kites check out I believe the designers German site.
Lots of cool R/C kite conversions.

http://www.crazyplanes.de/specials.htm (http://www.crazyplanes.de/specials.htm)

Stringfly <>+++++


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: Kantaxel on April 20, 2010, 08:13 PM
Could be.......

Today, whilst I dreamed, the website (Pemierrc) changed up and deleted the Easy Cruiser.  Added two new kites....the Delta Box  and believe it or not a 'Bird'.  I think the original question has now been answered.
 8)



Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: mikenchico on April 20, 2010, 11:43 PM
To see lots of R/C kites check out I believe the designers German site.
Lots of cool R/C kite conversions.

[url]http://www.crazyplanes.de/specials.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.crazyplanes.de/specials.htm[/url])

Stringfly <>+++++


I had seen that site but never connected it when Premier introduced theirs, thanks for the reminder. The Rotor kite certainly adds another dimension to them, very graceful.

http://crazyplanes.de/rotolite1.wmv (http://crazyplanes.de/rotolite1.wmv)



Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: stringfly on April 21, 2010, 06:24 AM
I have the Bald Eagle kite.  Premiers Collections series. Done by Christophe Goy.  Wonderful stable flyer.  Looks like a different power unit though so can't use mine from the cannard.  Oh well.

Stringfly <>+++++


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: stringfly on April 21, 2010, 08:26 AM
Another cool R/C kite designed for photography by the famous Joel Scholz (Sky Delight kites) is here:
 http://www.electricflights.com/hawkeyemainpage.html (http://www.electricflights.com/hawkeyemainpage.html)

I fly mine sometimes with a camera and often just with Alfred E.Newman.   ;D

Stringfly <>++++

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Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: gliderdude on April 22, 2010, 08:06 PM
I logged a full battery flight this morning and another this PM with the Pyramid Racer. This afternoon I stopped by Marsh Jr. High athletic field (it was empty) and had a chance to fly it in 6-8 mph winds with gusts as high as 12+ (est.). I had full control and was able to easily fly up-wind and make down-wind turns. With a stiff head wind you can slow the kite down and fly it towards yourself up-wind, kill the throttle, and reach out and snag it... yeah, yeah, I know the instruction manual says not to attempt to catch it. Hey, I'm smart enough to kill the throttle before reaching out to catch it (I'm a responsible adult, well aware of the risks). So, there!

Anyway, the more I fly the Racer, the more I dig it. I think any seasoned RC pilot (intermediate to pro) would get a real kick out of flying it.

However, I do look forward to flying the Canard RC. The single-line version is one of my favorite kites. Been flying it for 3 yrs+.


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: mikenchico on April 22, 2010, 09:02 PM
.... I'm a responsible adult ....

Huh???       :-X



Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: gliderdude on April 23, 2010, 10:41 AM
OK, you got me. I'm a kid in an adult's body, and I'm foolin' nobody. But, remember, only growing old is mandatory... growing up is not.


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: quintum on September 19, 2010, 11:45 AM

  So I called up 'Premier RC' with a couple of questions a few days ago and this guy gets on the phone and spends at least a half hour with more information, stories and detail than I could ever imagine.  I don't even remember what my questions were, we were just chewing the fat and I was getting his take on all aspects of his interest in kites and whatnot.  Nice guy, down to earth, dedicated, I guess this had to be John T, he never mentioned his last name...


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: flattermann on December 21, 2010, 10:19 AM
... why not reviving this thread a bit  :)

Check this:    www.crazyplanes.de/deltaxxxl6.wmv (http://www.crazyplanes.de/deltaxxxl6.wmv)

It shows the world record flight (last weekend) of the biggest RC-Monowing flying object ever flown indoors.

And: It's not a bird and not a plane - it's a Vector Kite... 8)

Have fun!

flattermann

A larger version of the video, in better quality: http://www.vimeo.com/groups/36916/videos/17925403 (http://www.vimeo.com/groups/36916/videos/17925403)

(http://www.crazyplanes.de/drachenbilder/deltaxxxl3.jpg)


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: indigo_wolf on December 21, 2010, 04:14 PM
Big Huzzahs!!!    ???

On another note.... Someone RCed an Elliot Box.  :'(  I wonder if Santa reads minds.  ::)

ATB,
Sam


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: flattermann on December 27, 2010, 12:52 PM
... today, the 600cm XXXL - 'TECNACOLOR'-Delta (converted to RC), had it's maiden outdoors.

Enjoy that 'SLOWFLYER EXTREME'  :)

(http://www.crazyplanes.de/drachenbilder/xxxl4.jpg)

VIDEO:    www.crazyplanes.de/deltaxxxl7.wmv (http://www.crazyplanes.de/deltaxxxl7.wmv)

For more details of Kite - to - RC - conversions visit

www.crazyplanes.de/specials.htm (http://www.crazyplanes.de/specials.htm)

Have fun - and a Happy New Year!

flattermann


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: RobB on December 27, 2010, 02:19 PM
I have to say, the more I see of RC kites, the more impressed I am. I'm almost thinking I should forgo my next stunt kite purchase for one of these. The question is which one ? The Canard looks the coolest to me...


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: mikenchico on December 28, 2010, 12:17 AM
The Pyramid Racer was the only one capable of doing some tricks originally. The new Eagle looks cool, downloading that video now to see how it performs ...  ohhh cool it does loops too and tight ones. I always liked the Canard myself too but the videos outdoors didn't impress me, it just seemed to be being dragged around, then I saw the indoor video and understood the design.



Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: Kantaxel on December 29, 2010, 05:54 PM
The new Eagle looks cool, downloading that video now to see how it performs ...  ohhh cool it does loops too and tight ones. I always liked the Canard myself too but the videos outdoors didn't impress me, it just seemed to be being dragged around, then I saw the indoor video and understood the design.



Santa thought I must've been good and there was an Eagle under the tree...........Haven't had the no wind condition yet for a first flight, but the design and quality of build is pretty impressive as is the 'Bird'.  Also it is huge.....fills up the whole living room.....can't wait

Jim


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: tpatter on December 29, 2010, 06:45 PM
Sweet Jim!

Bring it to the fly on the 1st - we never have wind! :)


Title: Re: It's a bird, it's a plane ...
Post by: Kantaxel on December 29, 2010, 08:19 PM
Unfortunately Tom,
I'm out the door for eight days of working bliss >:( >:(

My next full day off will be the seventh ::)

This is what yo get for being 'good'. :'(

Oh too retire.......... 8)