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Title: Needing to replace/upgrade Dynamite....... SF or Soul
Post by: evolekim on April 22, 2010, 06:53 PM
I have been beating around my New Tech Dynamite for a few years off and on and have decided to upgrade my equipment put a bit more effort into flying.  Currently my skill level allows for confident turtles and axles but thats about it.  The winds here in Indiana seem pretty variable/horrible, typical range  is 0-12.  I have a HQ breeze that I fly 50% of the time.  I was thinking of SF or at the top end a FW Soul.  At my current level is my money better spent on the SF?  any feedback would be appreciated. 2.3,2.3ul,2.5,2.5ul

Mike

Current kites

New Tech Dynamite
HQ Breeze
Prism Flashlight
Prism 4D
Elliot Laluna
FW Alpha+
Prism Adreniline


Title: Re: Needing to replace/upgrade Dynamite....... SF or Soul
Post by: Dolphinboy on April 22, 2010, 10:41 PM
What are you looking to do? Either one of those will be a big change from what you're currently flying. Bigger slower more exact and capable of different tricks than the Dynamite. Out of the two, I'd probably go with the SF standard either 2.3 or 2.5. The SF are good trick trainers in that they are slow and deliberate yet can still do most modern tricks without getting crazy on you.


Title: Re: Needing to replace/upgrade Dynamite....... SF or Soul
Post by: evolekim on April 23, 2010, 04:48 AM
My goal is to improve the current limited tricks and expand from there.  I would like a kite that is more precise and smoother than the dynamite.


Title: Re: Needing to replace/upgrade Dynamite....... SF or Soul
Post by: adx1592 on April 23, 2010, 06:17 AM
I would get the silver fox, and if you can wait for the new Ocius from skyburner, I'd get that.


Title: Re: Needing to replace/upgrade Dynamite....... SF or Soul
Post by: DaveH on April 23, 2010, 06:35 AM
+1 on the Silver fox.  Very capable trick kite for the money.
I also like the Premiere Widow, but for me personally the SF, especially the larger one, has been a more stable platform for learning tricks. 


Title: Re: Needing to replace/upgrade Dynamite....... SF or Soul
Post by: evolekim on April 23, 2010, 06:59 AM
on the silver fox  2.3 or 2.5 or the UL's ?


Title: Re: Needing to replace/upgrade Dynamite....... SF or Soul
Post by: DaveH on April 23, 2010, 07:07 AM
A buddy I fly with a lot has the UL. Its his main kite for most wind conditions. Its more of a light standard, actually.  Flies easier in light winds than most standards (except the Exile) and can handle typical std winds (8-12) with no problems.  In tricking, you would never feel like you needed more mass with the UL.  That's the one I would get.


Title: Re: Needing to replace/upgrade Dynamite....... SF or Soul
Post by: chilese on April 23, 2010, 11:00 AM
I'm in the minority here.

The Soul is a very well made, taut sailed trick oriented kite which flies precision reasonably well. It felt much more nimble, to me, than the SF kites.


Title: Re: Needing to replace/upgrade Dynamite....... SF or Soul
Post by: tpatter on April 23, 2010, 11:25 AM
Not sure if any are still up for sale, but there were some pretty amazing deals on the Soul in the swap not long ago.

I've never flown a Soul, but I would get one over the SF if the acquisition price was the same.


Title: Re: Needing to replace/upgrade Dynamite....... SF or Soul
Post by: cids on April 23, 2010, 11:46 AM
You only need one good kite to fly & trick. Currently I'm using only one kite to fly from wind 4 Km and up and very happy with the result. You will grow faster if you play with only one kite. A bagful of different kites only confuses your muscle memory and sandbaging you in the tricks department.


Title: Re: Needing to replace/upgrade Dynamite....... SF or Soul
Post by: KaoS on April 23, 2010, 06:13 PM
I flew the SF 2.5 UL for a while.  Not a bad kite, but not a great one.  Similarly, the SF 2.5 vented.

I L-O-V-E the Soul - I have the full set.  Well worth the extra dollars if you can afford it.


Title: Re: Needing to replace/upgrade Dynamite....... SF or Soul
Post by: kiten00b on April 23, 2010, 06:44 PM
I had a complete set of 2.3 & 2.5 Silver Foxes, but once I got a Soul, I just kept the 2.3 UL


Title: Re: Needing to replace/upgrade Dynamite....... SF or Soul
Post by: Beachbum on April 25, 2010, 02:15 PM
As always, I recommend finding other fliers or trying to get to some kind of kite event so you can try other stuff.

I think it's safest to go for a SF 2.5ul.  Reasoning is behind that is your current stable of kites, the winds in your area, and the fact that the time finding a Soul will deprive you of the instant gratification of getting the easier to source silver fox.

I hate the flop that comes with the 2.3, it drives me insane, but I also fly Full-size-French-made-man-kites.



Title: Re: Needing to replace/upgrade Dynamite....... SF or Soul
Post by: ezme6 on April 25, 2010, 08:01 PM
You only need one good kite to fly & trick. Currently I'm using only one kite to fly from wind 4 Km and up and very happy with the result. You will grow faster if you play with only one kite. A bagful of different kites only confuses your muscle memory and sandbaging you in the tricks department.

Right on !


Title: Re: Needing to replace/upgrade Dynamite....... SF or Soul
Post by: evolekim on April 26, 2010, 12:20 PM
How is the quality of the Flying Wings kites caompared to Prism(E2)  ?


Title: Re: Needing to replace/upgrade Dynamite....... SF or Soul
Post by: adx1592 on April 26, 2010, 01:37 PM
I think prism's quality on the E2 is better.
I'd save up and get the E3 though, if thats what you're thinking.  :P


Title: Re: Needing to replace/upgrade Dynamite....... SF or Soul
Post by: evolekim on April 26, 2010, 02:03 PM
Was not planning on a Prism Just am familiar with there quality and trying to compare to the Soul or SF


Title: Re: Needing to replace/upgrade Dynamite....... SF or Soul
Post by: chilese on April 26, 2010, 02:12 PM
The Soul is not made in the normal Flying Wing factory. It is made by a select group of fliers who also make and fly the Prediction.

The Silver Fox line is made in the regular kite factory, which makes authorized kites for many other kite companies.


Title: Re: Needing to replace/upgrade Dynamite....... SF or Soul
Post by: KaoS on April 26, 2010, 04:57 PM
The Soul is not made in the normal Flying Wing factory. It is made by a select group of fliers who also make and fly the Prediction.

The Silver Fox line is made in the regular kite factory, which makes authorized kites for many other kite companies.

The Silver Fox line is made to a price point (lower quality fabrics) and some of the older ones out there are showing signs of age.  The Soul has a polyester sail (not sure if it is real icarex) and is of much better quality.  The frames on both are Dynamic rods.  The Prism E2 probably sits between the two in terms of quality


Title: Re: Needing to replace/upgrade Dynamite....... SF or Soul
Post by: fidelio on April 27, 2010, 10:56 PM
there's a soul on the FA forums just went up today for one heck of a bargain.