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Title: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Dolphinboy on July 06, 2010, 12:28 PM
I was so excited to give the Transformer TL a try. I was going over to the coast to pick it up and on Saturday July 03. When I finally got there the wind was blowing about 10-20+ and just went up from there, offshore super shifty too :'( It was fun but hard to tell much in the super crazy conditions. What happened to those smooth onshore beach winds I was dreaming of?

Anyway I got up early on Sunday hopping to get a little more reasonable wind so I could give it a decent test but at 7 am it was about 2-15 mph still offshore and quite unpredictable. After about an hour or so the wind was up into the twenties already. It ended up being super windy into the 30s at times ??? so I'll wait until I get another chance before I pass final judgment.

I haven't measured it but I held it up to my Mohawk XS @ 2.14m and they were about the same wingspan. It is light on the lines and takes smallish inputs. Overall, because of the conditions, I really never got a good feel for the kite but it does some of the best looking Cascades of any kite I've flown.
Flic Flacs are great without any dead spots or careful inputs needed, 540s and Slots are easy, nice and flat and good looking too. Tazes are there and are better with a sharper rotation.
I hit some Mutexs and Fade to 540s that looked nice and weren't too difficult.
The kite came forward well so Crazy Copters, Yo Fades etc. are very doable.
Rolling up was no problem and seemed to hit the stoppers well. Backspins, Lazies/Multies are good and look good too.
Cometes took very light inputs especially in the light winds and I overcooked them a lot.
Everything I tried it would do but my conditions were sloppy and the wind just never felt right for more than a few seconds at a time. This was the same on all the kites I flew and not just the Transformer TL.

Here's a little video from early Sunday. Most of this was in very light and ill defined wind.

Transformer TL 07-04-2010 (http://vimeo.com/13118605)

or if you prefer YouTube

Transformer TL 07-04-2010 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txrk4qxPVD8#normal)


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Allen Carter on July 06, 2010, 03:29 PM
What's TL stand for?


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: ezme6 on July 06, 2010, 03:33 PM
I got mine today.... 8)

TL is a secret...


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: asburyparkjohn on July 06, 2010, 04:01 PM
I just put an order in for a yellow today like the video after I inquired if he was selling any yet. Coincidence - same color as this video. It seems the SUL and Light are currently available with a Vent version coming in a month or two and  still in the final design stage. Not sure about the Standard? From what Lam told me its a scaled down Fearless, does flic-flacs with ease more so than the Fearless, and its overall performance mimics the Fearless and not the Sea Devil. The smaller size allows the price to be dropped from a Fearless. Ordered a Light with a 3PT frame and also a 5PT lower spreader for a wider wind range. Sits deep in the Turtle like the Fearless but unlike the Tatto JLs should be a bit smoother transition into the Fade with less forward movement required. Good-bye Sea Devil Light --- I hope not  :D :D :D 


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Dolphinboy on July 06, 2010, 04:42 PM
I didn't say but it is more along the lines of a little Fearless than a Sea Devil for sure. It has a deep turtle but it's not as locked back as the F. It Flic Flacs easier with no dead spots at all. It comes forward with less slack needed too. Precision is a little better than the F. When the wind was reasonable (10ish or so) it tricked fast but the forward speed wasn't overly fast. I had no problem pulling it back to the Fade during JLs.

This is the Transformer standard with the 5pt frame. I am very interested in trying the Vent or Vent Light, if Lam makes one. The kite has straight seams so Lam can sew them quicker than the SD or F and charge less.


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: tpatter on July 06, 2010, 04:45 PM
I just put an order in for a yellow today like the video after I inquired if he was selling any yet. Coincidence - same color as this video. It seems the SUL and Light are currently available with a Vent version coming in a month or two and  still in the final design stage. Not sure about the Standard? From what Lam told me its a scaled down Fearless, does flic-flacs with ease more so that the Fearless, and its overall performance mimics the Fearless and not the Sea Devil. The smaller size allows the price to be dropped from a Fearless. Ordered a Light with a 3PT frame and also a 5PT lower spreader for a wider wind range. Sits deep in the Turtle like the Fearless but unlike the Tatto JLs should be a bit smoother transition into the Fade with less forward movement required. Good-bye Sea Devil Light --- I hope not  :D :D :D 

SUL already!  :)  I would love to try that one! 


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: ezme6 on July 06, 2010, 06:58 PM
I had the standard 5pt out today in 0-3mph in my hayfield. Plenty of drive in the 3ish zone, not sure if I would need anything much lighter. Makes some noise, kinda like that too.
   Once it drys out I got to hook up the bailer, almost wasit high,,,,, ;D


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Dolphinboy on July 07, 2010, 05:04 PM
OK now I guess Lam has to get in on the Transformer TL video action!  He's a little better than me anyway :D

Transformer TL kite video at Garry point park (http://vimeo.com/13156526)


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: DWayne on July 07, 2010, 06:44 PM
What happened to those smooth onshore beach winds I was dreaming of?

I'm convinced they're a myth.

Denny


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: sirrom on July 07, 2010, 09:08 PM
Hey James

Do you think Lam likes his new Kite ??? ;)

What is the kite doing at 1:15 to 1:17??   Almost looks like he is going straight down only sideways.

Hey Tom did your son like my Red TL?? He did make a red blur in the sky when he was flying in LC. I think he needs his own kite ;D 

 By the way did Lam leave a red mark on his stomach?? LOL That was too funny :D 

Brett


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Dolphinboy on July 07, 2010, 09:29 PM
Hey James

Do you think Lam likes his new Kite ??? ;)

What is the kite doing at 1:15 to 1:17??   Almost looks like he is going straight down only sideways.

Brett

Lam is digging on it, He said he "can not stop from the day he first tested the kite" or something like that. I think that trick is just a lazy up high in the window that kind of dropped so it rotated on the way down. or??

I did get a little time on it in OK wind this evening so I'm getting a better feel for it. Then the wind went SUL so I flew something else.


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: tpatter on July 07, 2010, 09:55 PM

Hey Tom did your son like my Red TL?? He did make a red blur in the sky when he was flying in LC. I think he needs his own kite ;D 

 By the way did Lam leave a red mark on his stomach?? LOL That was too funny :D 

Brett - he has his own - MINE!  Everytime we fly, he is on the TL.

I wish we had some video (including the "too close" tip stab!) from that day - everyone was flying pretty fine in those sweet winds on Sunday.  Not to mention our initiations.

I am now wondering what one will look like in black - lets see how long I can hold out!   ???


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: sirrom on July 08, 2010, 06:55 AM
I called Lam and your black TL has been ordered.  You should have it tomorrow :D


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Jynx on July 08, 2010, 09:43 PM
I'm a Rev'er . . . B U T . . . This video REALLY kept me Mesmerized!  ???

I N C R E D I B L E !


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: UPNET on July 10, 2010, 08:42 PM
Looks like one very LARGE beach. Where is that? Your tag on the video said Murphy OR. But that's south of Grants Pass...and it sure ain't no beach. Enquiring minds want to know!   ;)

Regards,
Chris


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Dolphinboy on July 10, 2010, 10:22 PM
Looks like one very LARGE beach. Where is that? Your tag on the video said Murphy OR. But that's south of Grants Pass...and it sure ain't no beach. Enquiring minds want to know!   ;)

Regards,
Chris

Crescent City Ca. It's about an 80 mile drive SW from Murphy and yeah we don't have a beach in Grants Pass / Murphy ;)


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: tpatter on July 11, 2010, 01:43 AM
I've been flying this kite alot lately - I think perhaps Lam should have called it Houdini!

I am continually impressed with how easily you can get out of a bad situation with this kite.  Even on 80' lines, when I am working on something new - I can get fouled up and then clear it again in order to fly off while no where near the deck. 

A taz gone wrong or a badly timed comete - its easy to fly right out of it.  A very agile kite - flip, flop, fly, the little fearless' brother just won't die.  :)


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Dolphinboy on July 12, 2010, 05:43 PM

After getting a bit more time on the kite, I have a few more observations.
First, I want to reiterate what I said before about Cascades, they are sooo nice on this kite. Super even, very repeatable and to me, exceptionally good looking too.

The kites does tricks without any unusual, elaborate or weird inputs needed. Most tricks have a enough latitude to be able to execute them without being hyper precise with the inputs. The Wap do Wap needs a little more careful timing than other tricks. Especially if you're coming off a Deep Space or similar where it's harder to miss than hit. The Comete works best with smaller quicker inputs but like all tricks varies with the wind conditions too. Overall a pretty straight forward approach to hitting everything I threw at it. It is in line with a style of kite I'm quite familiar with and like, so keep my perspective in mind when considering this kite though.

This is not a rolly polly kite. It's a tricky, pitchy kite but like the Fearless, most tricks are clean and sharp looking. Not loose and swoopy looking like can be the case on some smaller kites (and bigger kites too, I guess)

It also holds a line well so you can cruise straight across the window and very low without smackin' the deck, if you like. Cuts clean corners with smaller inputs needed. Above average for this size and type of kite.

The kite is a standard mostly 5pt framed but is so light on the lines it feels like a UL. Not trick wise but the pull wise.

Others have mentioned that it will handle pretty light wind for a standard and I agree. If the wind is nice I'd say 3mph should be OK for most people to keep it tricking. It will trick at a nice slow pace in low wind but get a bit more and it'll trick about as smoking fast as you can dish it out.

A few more observations:
Holds a fade well
It drops into the Turtle very snappily. Snap Lazies / Inverse etc. are sweet too.
It'll do side ways Flic Flacs
2 pop roll ups without problem
Backspins look good
For all the JL fans, yeah, sweet and crisp, repeatable for as long as you can stand it
Oversteer is low
Like Tom stated above, it sheds hang ups well too


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Allen Carter on July 13, 2010, 12:49 PM
OK, so what's the flip side?

Why would someone choose another kite over this one?

Weaknesses?


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Dolphinboy on July 13, 2010, 08:20 PM
OK, so what's the flip side?

Why would someone choose another kite over this one?

Weaknesses?

The reason I qualified my perspective in the above post is I like this size / style kite the Transformer TL represents, others may not. I'm also a fan of how Lam's kites perform. When I heard Lam was making a smaller trick kite, I couldn't order one fast enough. I just want people to understand where I'm coming from. I've flown or owned quite a few 2-2.15m trick kites and I feel this kite is very good indeed when compared to the others in this class. This size of kite is small enough to toss about but big enough to maintain decent control and not get too fast or squirly. Plus, keep in mind, I've had it for less than a week and a half so I'm just adding some updates as I get more time in.

When I posted earlier, I was also thinking about negatives and there really just wasn't much that came to mind.
So I'll rack my noggin hard. HMMMM.... Transformer, Why not?
Lets see..... You may not want a Transformer if you / because:

Don't like deep Turtle kites.

Don't like the crisp looking trick style this kite represents.

If your style is more roll from trick to trick or you focus mainly on old school, this may not appeal to you. Then again, you may not know what you're missing either.

It is so not a Prism.

Enjoy bigger kites.

Don't like how Lam's kites trick in general.

Some similar sized kites are even quicker tricking (NFX) if that's your thing.

Don't like the look. Lam makes kites that look back at you and that may not be something that appeals to you.

If you're a hard hitter you just may never get on with it especially when the wind drops a bit. This kite takes a lighter hand for sure. I had a little trouble being consistent with the Comete for instance. For me, it just meant an adjustment but some may not like that or even want to adjust how they trick. The kite is light on the lines and some just like a more substantial pull.

A few flight negatives I've experienced:

In shifty wind I had it fall or drop out of some tricks unexpectedly.

While Flic Flacs are easy to hit they take a little care to keep them straight and looking good. Not difficult but I've seen easier.

Like I said above, I didn't Wap it well but this just may be user error too. Time will tell. Yeah it was operator error, my timing was off. I have been hitting the Wap do Wap without problems now.


Really it seems the biggest "flip side" would be this just isn't your type of kite. Others are getting time on their kites too, so as the Transformer gets more air time, I hope people post their experiences (good or bad) here. So far the good outweighs the bad for me by quite a bit.

Peace




Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Dolphinboy on July 19, 2010, 01:04 PM
I put more time in on the TTL this week while on on business trip. On Saturday I flew it in probably the cleanest wind I've had a chance to fly in so far and....

This is a very controllable trickster. It's been mentioned that the kite has good precision but the the tricks are clean and precise too. I was pulling off some fairly long complex combos cleanly with relative ease and they looked good too. Really, the kite does just what you ask, just think about what you want and it'll do it without getting wacky or sloppy. It's a bit pitchier than the standard Fearless but less so than the Vented.

Sorry, no negatives to report.   ;D


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Kantaxel on July 19, 2010, 01:44 PM
Man!
The wife has to wait til WSKIF to get her TL..............It's gonna be a long month :'(

Jim


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Dolphinboy on July 19, 2010, 02:33 PM
Man!
The wife has to wait til WSKIF to get her TL..............It's gonna be a long month :'(

Jim

The wife? Man I hope she lets you fly it :D


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: asburyparkjohn on July 25, 2010, 08:20 PM
Got the Tranformer Light TL this weekend and have these comments:
Test Conditions were: 60' X 50# lines simply due to air temp was in the mid 90's (mid-morning) and had to fly near/on the shoreline; Winds: 5-6 mph with a westerly on the beach line but coming off the land; Some slight dirty spots; 3PT lower spreader (purchased also 5PT spreaders); Never flown a Fearless but flown the Tattoo about two dozen times. The Flic-Flacs being easy as mentioned before may be more accurately described as going very easy into the Flare position with much less input than with the SD-Light so over-flaring was common in the beginning. This in my opinion is by the kite design and not the smaller sized frame. The kite appears more fragile but at this point it does not fly this way. The most important item to mention with this kite I experienced is that the INPUTS required to trick are much less so someone at my age (55) can TRICK faster with LESS EFFORT than the SDs. Broken axels to Fades and then to Backspins were incredible and just starting to learn the Backspin Cascade but was able to pull off a couple of these tricks. Very forgiving. As I was flying this kite I had one thought ... Damn It ... I will need to purchase a the Standard and see what is happening here. All tricks were   faster, quicker and most importantly EASIER. We have read earlier how the Fearless sits deep in the turtle but even though this kite has a large weight in the tail area I did not see this effect on this kite like the Tattoo, so to me this is more like a SD than a Fearless. Nothing like the deep turtle Tattoo. In fact JLs were smooth with no Fade entry problems and they were smooth like the Sea Devil with no adjustments needed. The only adjustment that was needed as mentioned was much less input into the flare for the Flic-Flacs. Yo-Yo's and Lewis moves had no issues. All I can say is for the older flyers out there if you think stunt kites are too much work try this BABY before going to the Dark Side. Good Luck! Thanks Lam!  ;) ;) ;)


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Dolphinboy on July 26, 2010, 11:49 PM
John, Nice info on the Light version. How did the light roll up?
I'll have to try the Light someday and I guess Lam is making a Vented Light also. Now that I definitely have to try  :P


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: zippy8 on July 27, 2010, 06:48 AM
Yes, yes, yes. Tricks, flying, lovely, epiphany, blah blah blah.

What's the wind range like ?  :)

Mike.


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Dolphinboy on July 27, 2010, 08:28 AM

What's the wind range like ?  :)



For the Transformer TL standard:

I'd say the low end is similar to a Deep Space or Widow Maker. On the high end, the first weekend I had it the winds were up to 30mph but mostly in the high teens to mid twenties. I flew it in those conditions for many hours but I eventually added screens to take the edge off. I am not a high wind flier but I do it because I just can't help myself :D Anyway, it handled them.


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: asburyparkjohn on July 27, 2010, 11:12 AM
DB - For me the rolls ups were like the SD - easy, quick and effortless. I was a bit worried since the Tattoo sits deep in the Turtle you need to baby the kite into the Fade section with JLs. Not at all here - SMOOTH. Again - can't say if I am flying a smaller Fearless but little or no differences with the SDs other than there is less MASS on the end of the flying lines but still STABLE with very little PULL. Over the next couple of weeks will explore further but after a one hour flight with this flying machine what new suprises other than an accelerated jump start with further trick advancements should I be worried about ...  :D :D :D.


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Dolphinboy on July 27, 2010, 11:44 AM
DB - For me the rolls ups were like the SD - easy, quick and effortless. I was a bit worried since the Tattoo sits deep in the Turtle you need to baby the kite into the Fade section with JLs. Not at all here - SMOOTH. Again - can't say if I am flying a smaller Fearless but little or no differences with the SDs other than there is less MASS on the end of the flying lines but still STABLE with very little PULL. Over the next couple of weeks will explore further but after a one hour flight with this flying machine what new suprises other than an accelerated jump start with further trick advancements should I be worried about ...  :D :D :D.

The issues with JL or some have said with the half Lazy move to Fade on the Fearless SUL Tattoo has to do with the reduced weight of the kite and not the deep Turtle. If you get a chance to fly a std Fearless or the Light they JL like champs. Flic Flacs too. The Tattoo isn't a problem either but it needs a little more careful timing and a softer pull. Flic Flacs are doable too but the nose in the Pancake needs to be kept from going too high and then sweep it back to Fade, don't pop. These are characteristics of many SULs not just the Tattoo.


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: asburyparkjohn on July 27, 2010, 12:41 PM
Agree and slightly disagree. I agree that ALL SULs have this symptom BUT the deep turtle nature of the TATTOO and its SUL status does make it more difficult with these moves than other SULs I have flown. The SD-SUL has no real issues with these moves since the lock-in turtle issue or high weight in the tail issue is not as pronounced. As with other kites I have flown. The TC-Ghost was the same way but with its bridle multi-adjustments I found this kite very tiresome to fly and not well thought out in its design. It does GRAB the wind very well and flies with almost the wind of the Inner Space ... but I sold it anyway ...  ::). On the other side of the coin with this negative? you get automatic mult-lazies from one standing position, etc. Not a big deal here DB but its unquestionably kite-specific and not so much model (SUL)-specific. Its a give and take with the Tattoo. I love this kite but JLs do require a DIFFERENT touch and/or adjustment whereas the SD-SUL requires almost NONE.
There is also of course the consideratiuon that once you switch kites even with the same maker your learning curve starts again to learn the kite inside/out ... so which is why I do not venture too far from the SD line so trick advancement is not hindered too much (my opinion).


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: zippy8 on July 27, 2010, 10:28 PM
The TC-Ghost was the same way but with its bridle multi-adjustments I found this kite very tiresome to fly and not well thought out in its design.
You realise, of course, that you don't have to employ all (or indeed any) of those bridle adjustment choices ? Most people that I've heard from either leave it as delivered or one knot either side. Yes, it's a bit weird that they're there not to be used but....

And that's a highly contrary opinion on the Ghost, if I may say so. And I believe that I may.

Mike.


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: asburyparkjohn on August 02, 2010, 08:08 AM
Spent the weekend with the Transformer TL (Light) and no real issues. I would STRONGLY recommend this kite to any flyer as an extra kite or something to explore if the opportunity arises.


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Dolphinboy on August 02, 2010, 12:34 PM
I've been flying mine (standard) quite a bit too and I'm really digging on it. It only gets better with some time on it :) Any issues I've had with the kite, which were very minor anyway, are disappearing with familiarity.


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: asburyparkjohn on August 02, 2010, 01:29 PM
Just curious how would you compare it to the LARGER Fearless since you have flown both DB? A deeper Turtle with the Fearless or the same as the Transformer TL is my main question here.


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: tpatter on August 02, 2010, 04:03 PM
Guys,

I think you may both be talking about the same kite.  I was talking with Lam a bit last week - asking him about the SUL version of the Transformer (he is working on it - I hope to see it at WSIKF).  Anyhow, the Transformers so far have been framed with a 3pt frame and either 3 or 5 pt lower spreaders (you just swap em). 

So, I suppose you could call it a light or a standard depending on your view!  :)

I do know that my Transformer TL flys as low as my Fearless Light (perhaps a bit lower - it doesn't need much wind to be fun) and I also love flying it in the teens.  So, whatever you call it, its a very fun kite.



Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Dolphinboy on August 02, 2010, 04:05 PM
I don't know that the Fearless has a deeper Turtle but the Transformer feels a little different when it's sitting back. I'm thinking a little easier to come out of it, not that the fearless is difficult at all. Probably more because it's smaller and lighter than anything else. But this is compared to each other. Compared to a Sea Devil or similar, I'd classify them both as having a nice deep Turtle. The kites allow some latitude / leeway on hitting Turtle based tricks and combos without getting stuck in the Turtle like some kites seem to do.

The Transformer goes back a little quicker than the std or light Fearless but not as fast as the vent.
It rolls up quicker than the std / light but again not as quick as the vent.
It takes smaller lighter inputs than any Fearless especially in light wind.
I think the regular Flic Flac is a bit easier on the Fearless std / light but not a lot. It's harder on the vent / SUL. I take back what I said about taking a little more care on the Transformer, maybe compared to the ultimate easiest kite out there, but overall I'd still give it a B+, very nice.
I like the Comete better on the Fearless std / light /vent. Just because it's a little more carefree. They can be done faster on the Transformer though. The SUL is more difficult.


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Dolphinboy on August 02, 2010, 04:09 PM
Guys,

I think you may both be talking about the same kite.  I was talking with Lam a bit last week - asking him about the SUL version of the Transformer (he is working on it - I hope to see it at WSIKF).  Anyhow, the Transformers so far have been framed with a 3pt frame and either 3 or 5 pt lower spreaders (you just swap em). 

So, I suppose you could call it a light or a standard depending on your view!  :)

I do know that my Transformer TL flys as low as my Fearless Light (perhaps a bit lower - it doesn't need much wind to be fun) and I also love flying it in the teens.  So, whatever you call it, its a very fun kite.



That's funny  :D I thought it had 5PT LEs but I'll take a look at mine when I get a chance. I'm not sure why I was thinking 5PTs on the LE but that's what I have stuck in my head. Mine feels exactly like yours though.


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: asburyparkjohn on August 16, 2010, 12:07 PM
Just curious DB how is your bridle holding up in terms of wear?


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Dolphinboy on August 17, 2010, 09:16 AM
Just curious DB how is your bridle holding up in terms of wear?

My upper outhauls were wearing fast so I replaced them with some very heavy bridle line. Worked good and they aren't fraying yet.


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: asburyparkjohn on August 17, 2010, 02:35 PM
Yes. Same area. Lam if you are out there consider this a modification/upgrade. Should be another month for break through for me for a total two months. I was off for a week in August. Still ...


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: cids on September 01, 2010, 11:03 AM
This is what I called a real Transformer.  :D :D :D

http://www.videobash.com/video_show/real-transformer-2139 (http://www.videobash.com/video_show/real-transformer-2139)


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: skabt on September 01, 2010, 11:24 AM
This is what I called a real Transformer.  :D :D :D

[url]http://www.videobash.com/video_show/real-transformer-2139[/url] ([url]http://www.videobash.com/video_show/real-transformer-2139[/url])


hahhahhaha .... cool mate


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: sirrom on September 01, 2010, 09:26 PM
I called Lam and your black TL has been ordered.  You should have it tomorrow :D

Well Tom,

From the video I saw you were competing against Lam in "Hot Tricks" with your new Black TL.  I guess I was right about that Black TL on order.

Great job by the way.  I see you let him win also.  It does keep his moral up you know.  Great job  ;)

Brett
see you both in LC in October?


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: tpatter on September 01, 2010, 11:41 PM
I called Lam and your black TL has been ordered.  You should have it tomorrow :D

Well Tom,

From the video I saw you were competing against Lam in "Hot Tricks" with your new Black TL.  I guess I was right about that Black TL on order.

Great job by the way.  I see you let him win also.  It does keep his moral up you know.  Great job  ;)

Brett
see you both in LC in October?

Well, of course! I don't want him second-guessing putting that "extra trick magic" into a kite that he is making for me!  :)  Sadly, I fear he has nothing to worry about.  I think he could stand in one spot in any sort of wind and still beat me very soundly!   Some of these younger guys are getting pretty good, however - Lam better stop teaching them all his tricks!  :)

This kite is SWEET in black - looks great.  That was the first black one - I think a vent in black would look amazing.  I'll post some pictures once I get around to taking some, probably this weekend.

I haven't worked out LC in Oct yet - I love flying there, but we are pretty busy in October with Nationals and some other things.  I'll let you know - it would be great to fly with you guys again.





Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: kalle on January 24, 2011, 10:05 PM
Two questions: Three-point or turbo bridle & how much weight does lam use in the end of the spine?


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Dolphinboy on January 24, 2011, 10:34 PM
Two questions: Three-point or turbo bridle & how much weight does lam use in the end of the spine?

Reverse Turbo & I don't know how much the TW is.


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Kantaxel on January 25, 2011, 07:54 AM

Reverse Turbo & I don't know how much the TW is.

Don't think anybody knows other than Lam, and he ain't  tellin' ;)  (TW, ie)


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: zippy8 on January 25, 2011, 09:53 AM
Don't think anybody knows other than Lam, and he ain't  tellin' ;)  (TW, ie)
  • Remove spine from kite.
  • Weigh spine.
  • Weigh blank spar of same type.
  • Subtract the lighter from the heavier.

Lam's secret is therefore blown.

Mike.


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: Kantaxel on January 25, 2011, 11:10 AM
  • Remove spine from kite.
  • Weigh spine.
  • Weigh blank spar of same type.
  • Subtract the lighter from the heavier.

Lam's secret is therefore blown.

Mike.

Take care of that for us, will ya Mike?


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: tpatter on January 25, 2011, 11:15 AM
I will pop mine out and weigh it in the next few days.  He does one weight inside the spine (at the base) and then the brass ring on the outside.

I doubt there will be any surprise there - I bet maybe 17g total.




Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: zippy8 on January 25, 2011, 12:44 PM
Take care of that for us, will ya Mike?
I'm more of an ideas man. I leave the implementation to others.

Unless it sounds like fun.  :P

Mike.


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: sugarbaker on January 25, 2011, 02:05 PM
knowing the added weight doesn't mean you know where it is... you'll have to check the balance/center of gravity too.


Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: tpatter on January 25, 2011, 08:46 PM
OK, so I was a little surprised.  :)

Our black TL has 14g of lead inside the spine right at the very bottom (a piece perhaps 2 inches long) - there is some sort of stopper inside preventing the weight from sliding up into spine (it is stationary).  The brass piece that is installed on the outside of the spine is 19.7g, for a grand total of 33.7g of yoyo and pitch happiness.

I asked for some extra weight on this kite since I like a bit more than he usually puts on.  I can tell by looking at the external brass weight that it is bigger than other TLs I've seen.  Our yellow one has the same internal 14g weight, but only 10g on the outer brass ring.  The kite flys and pitches great, but then try the one with the extra weight!  :)   

The Trans (and Fearless) is very amenable to varying the weight based on how you like to fly and trick.  I've even seen folks take the outer weight completely off (but I much prefer it as-is for easy no-nonsense yoyos).  You can remove or swap out the outer brass piece in a few seconds, but I never do.



Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: zippy8 on January 26, 2011, 09:05 AM
knowing the added weight doesn't mean you know where it is...
Run a thinner than spar ID rod from each end to find each end point - simple.

Then, given it's overall length and the ID of the spar combined with the mass, means you can work out its density and have an educated guess as to what the material is. Which brings me to....

Quote from: tpatter
Our black TL has 14g of lead......
I really hope that you're using "lead" as a stand in for "unknown, high density metal or metal alloy" 'cos lead is not to be messed with. Anyone selling a product with lead in it is asking for a world of trouble too.

Meanwhile.... that is a hell of a lot of weight for any kite but on a Light ??? Hey, if it works for you....

Mike.



Title: Re: Transformer TL first impressions
Post by: tpatter on January 26, 2011, 09:15 AM
Yeah, its not real lead - I know that in my Fearless, the internal weight is a large metal screw - with the TL, he uses another weighting material.

It's not an unheard of amount of weight - I recall many using 5 barrels on their Exiles (@5.5g a piece), so similar ballpark and for a kite that is generally thought of as neutral.