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Title: Camcorder suggestions?
Post by: kenmcneill on July 23, 2010, 01:00 PM
I find myself in need of a camcorder, and would appreciate the advice of a knowledgeable soul. 

It will be used mostly for shooting kite videos, which will be posted online.  It will also occasionally be used for videos to be shown on a smaller TV.  Do I really need HD?  I prefer flash storage.  What other specs are important?

My budget is up to $400.  Any suggestions?  Thanks! (http://www.bluemoonkites.com/forum/images/smilies/bbcool.gif)


Title: Re: Camcorder suggestions?
Post by: Gamelord on July 23, 2010, 04:35 PM
If you want super simple without any fuss, Go Pro HD, you can get one for about $299.00 and it comes with all kinds of mounts for either a helmet or other and will stick just about anywhere.  Small, durable, even comes with a water proof case.  The video's on it are awesome for a very inexpensive 1080 HD camera.  You get about 2 hours of video on one charge - comes with battery.  It fits in the palm of your hand. :)


Title: Re: Camcorder suggestions?
Post by: Steve Hall on July 23, 2010, 05:03 PM
I'm still slugging along with an old (and cheap) Sony cam that records to DV tape so I have no recommendations but I do have a question ... what are the minimum computer requirements for processing (in a reasonable amount of time) HD video's?


Title: Re: Camcorder suggestions?
Post by: Mrhide on July 23, 2010, 05:25 PM
received 2 of these this week (10 days to reach canada)

amazing little things!  ???

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320564400967 (http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320564400967)


Seriously, at that price, it's amazing what comes out of it!




Title: Re: Camcorder suggestions?
Post by: Steve Hall on July 23, 2010, 05:40 PM
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mounts for either a helmet

You got me thinking ...



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Title: Re: Camcorder suggestions?
Post by: DD on July 23, 2010, 07:56 PM
i have one of those little cameras, bought it to put on my r/c heli wih intentions of putting it on a kite spreaders, may have to do that tomorrow

I also have an atc1000 camera that has been mounted on my kart, more of a toy but it seems to handle the abuse. One of its mounts is for a helmet.

but more on topic, i have looked at a sony on tiger direct for 350, but reviews are mixed on amazon. I would giveup on size to get quality. good luck with your search


Title: Re: Camcorder suggestions?
Post by: Gamelord on July 24, 2010, 03:25 PM
Here's a Youtube Video of some Kite Buggying using the Go Pro HD.  It is not my video, just one that shows what the video quality looks like.  Be sure to watch it in HD and full screen, very impressive for a tiny little camera:

Crescent Beach - Kite Buggy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in6dM0OJWxQ#normal)

Here's the specs on this tiny thing:
    * Dimensions (H x W x D): 1.6 x 2.4 x 1.2 (42mm x 60mm x 30mm)
    * Weight: 3.3oz (94g) incl. battery, 5.9oz (167g) incl. housing

5.9 oz overall with the hard plastic water proof housing.....kewl huh.


Title: Re: Camcorder suggestions?
Post by: ko on July 24, 2010, 08:19 PM
not sure, but i do not believe the go pro has a screen to check what you are shooting. if not it might be a bit of a drawback to carry a laptop around with it??  just wondering


Title: Re: Camcorder suggestions?
Post by: DWayne on July 25, 2010, 04:58 AM
The JVC Everio series are nice little camcorders with flash drive. You can get them @ Best Buy. They're super easy to use. Make good video. And have a direst to Youtube download feature. Oh, and they're in your price range.  ;)

Denny


Title: Re: Camcorder suggestions?
Post by: RobB on July 25, 2010, 03:33 PM
I'm very happy with my Sanyo CG-10. It shoots HD on a flash card, and costs ~$200 + the cost of the card. It blows the lens off my JVC hard drive camera. It will fit 1 1/2 hours on a 16gig card, but you need a battery for every 1/2 hour. 1 comes with it, an extra costs ~$20 from Radio Shack. It's not the best camera, I'm sure, but on a budget, it's a great camera...


Title: Re: Camcorder suggestions?
Post by: mikenchico on July 25, 2010, 10:35 PM
No suggestion, I have not researched them personally since I am not in the market at this time. But I will say at your price point it's going to be hard if not impossible to find one with a viewfinder, just like with digital camera's. So whatever you are looking at make sure you take it outside into bright sunlight before purchasing or that they have a good return policy so you can bring it back when you discover you can't use it outdoors. The one we got takes great video's, a 3x optical zoom, flash memory, pocketable, everything we wanted, but we can't see if we are getting the shot we intend because the screen is completely washed out by the sun.







Title: Re: Camcorder suggestions?
Post by: RobB on July 26, 2010, 04:10 AM
Hey Ken,
The Sanyo doesn't have a viewfinder, but the LCD screen isn't too hard to see in the bright sun. It also has a feature that allows 60fps that might be useful for capturing smooth motion. I've never had to use it, I think the 30fps does just fine. Here's a sample from my cheapie camera...

Flying the Prism 4D in little to no Wind... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raiIRRDBQNU&hd=1#normal)

I'll bet they've even improved the camera in the 6 months since I got mine... I haven't looked.
~Rob.


Title: Re: Camcorder suggestions?
Post by: kenmcneill on July 26, 2010, 05:36 AM
Thanks for the suggestions folks.  There are just far too many choices for the uninitiated!

Ken
(http://www.bluemoonkites.com/forum/images/smilies/bbcool.gif)


Title: Re: Camcorder suggestions?
Post by: Gamelord on July 26, 2010, 11:22 AM
The Go Pro does NOT have a view screen on it.  You need to plug the camera or the flash card into a computer to see / edit.


Title: Re: Camcorder suggestions?
Post by: ko on July 26, 2010, 03:51 PM
good luck to you ken on your purchase and damn rob. you look like your having way to much fun. guess ill have to try the 4d again

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Title: Re: Camcorder suggestions?
Post by: RobB on July 26, 2010, 05:39 PM
Hey KO,
The trick is to try the 4D in next to no wind on short lines. It gets crazy in wind over 3mph. Maybe that's why it came with long lines for a little kite. It's only good for me when just about nothing else will fly.
As far as the camera, I think you can play with it in person at Radio Shack.
~Rob.


Title: Re: Camcorder suggestions?
Post by: DWayne on August 10, 2010, 07:25 AM
After attempting a couple of kite videos I have to retract my recommendation of the JVC Everio. The camera constantly searches for focus. Never actually finding it.  :(

Denny


Title: Re: Camcorder suggestions?
Post by: RobB on August 10, 2010, 07:36 AM
Hey Denny...
I had the same problem with my JVC. The solution is to set the camera for manual focus, adjusted to infinity. Also, put the camera into 'sports' mode, if yours has it. The one thing I couldn't stand about my camera is that it shot in quicktime format, which is a pain in the neck if you use a PC.
~Rob.


Title: Re: Camcorder suggestions?
Post by: DWayne on August 10, 2010, 07:46 AM
Thanks Rob. I'll give it a try.

Denny


Title: Re: Camcorder suggestions?
Post by: mikenchico on August 10, 2010, 07:58 AM
Good advice, most video cameras in this price range have a small enough aperture that they shouldn't lose a noticible amount of sharpness over a 60 foot to infinity range when set to infinity.



Title: Re: Camcorder suggestions?
Post by: Whereisthewind on August 10, 2010, 02:29 PM
Hi,

I got myself a Kodak Playsport...unbelievable value at $150...It has four resolution settings: VGA, 720p HD, 720p @ 60hz HD for fast action, and 1080p and it has a 5mp digital still mode (all of which with auto vibration reduction)...it also is watertight up to 3metres and I have taken plenty (amazingly cool) underwater videos in the pool...

It's also very small, light but durable...as you might have seen in the video section of the forum, I mounted one of those on a Prism Quantum (simply stuffed into an empty cigarette pack and then velcro'ed to the kite) and it survived a crash into a palm tree without a scratch...the video I posted doesn't do it justice though since at 720p and 60hz the original video I have on my computer is incredibly sharp and flicker free...

It does have a screen for watching what you are shooting (or to replay what you just shot)...only slight drawback is that it only has a limited digital zoom that's rather slow if you want to follow some action and go in and out of zoom...but for most occasions the depth of field is quite nice

Ok, I sound like a Kodak rep...but I have to say I love it for it's size, versatility, durability, quality and you can't beat the price (for HD camcorders anyway)...just make sure you get a large enough multi-gig sd card (I have a 16 Gig which is good for 3 hours of 1080p recording)...

Hope this helps,

Here is the link: http://store.kodak.com/store/ekconsus/en_US/pd/PLAYSPORT_Video_Camera/productID.169976100 (http://store.kodak.com/store/ekconsus/en_US/pd/PLAYSPORT_Video_Camera/productID.169976100)

Christian