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Title: Comp Flyers
Post by: ezme6 on July 24, 2010, 02:53 PM
Not VF, but real, kite festival Comp flyers, individual, team. dual or quad.

I know there are alot of teams that put on demos and such, but comp flyers?

 Are there any left?

Besides VF, I have not heard about comps in a long while


Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: st3307 on July 24, 2010, 05:03 PM
Yes    there  is  a  few  of    us  left    but  we  are  a dieing breed  :'(


Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: johnfarl on July 25, 2010, 09:44 AM
Check out the NW.  Lot of comp fliers there.  Lot of young uns too.  I think there are 7 outdoor comps and about 5 indoor comps.  Indoor is rediculous and will get bigger with our boy Connor bringing in a few.

John


Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: Jared on July 25, 2010, 08:20 PM
I fly competitively on the east coast.  While the Eastern League may not see the turnout that it once did, it's still going strong.

I'm looking forward to coming out to Oregon this fall to go head-to-head against some of the NW flyers.


Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: Nitrobex on July 25, 2010, 08:22 PM
Not to hijack the thread but Jared, where do you fly?  I am an eastcoaster  8)


Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: adx1592 on July 25, 2010, 09:26 PM
not many of us in the Midwest.
It's a dying event.


Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: zippy8 on July 25, 2010, 10:25 PM
Not VF, but real....
Are you suggesting VF isn't real ?  :-[

Mike.


Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: RonG on July 26, 2010, 02:38 AM
I fly competitively on the east coast.  While the Eastern League may not see the turnout that it once did, it's still going strong.
Too many veterans leaving permanently, not nearly enough new people coming in to replace them.

My wife observed just this past weekend that when we first got involved, we got to know a lot of "former competitors" who still demoed, staffed events, and acted as both mentors and cheerleaders to the new crop of fliers.  That is what seems to be lacking these days - people stop competing and simply disappear (we are guilty of this as much as anyone).  There are a lot of reasons why, I suppose.  For one thing, it's a little painful to see what little is left of the events we knew and loved when we started.  Most are gone, and the rest are mere shadows of their former selves.  There's also the vicious circle of staying away because you know few of your "pod" will be there.  Most of us feel the strongest bond to our peers in competition, those who joined around the same time as us and we battled with (and against) as we made our way up the ranks.  In my case, I know I'm much more likely to see those people outside of a kite event than at one.



Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: Kantaxel on July 26, 2010, 03:33 AM
Not VF, but real....
Are you suggesting VF isn't real ?  :-[

Mike.

I think what he's suggesting is that you can't put a ballet in a can and then bring it out on comp day....................In 'REAL', when it's done..........It's done........no second or third chances........that's all,  IMHO, of course...... :-*

Jim


Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: RobB on July 26, 2010, 04:35 AM
I fly kites to relaxand have fun. I understand the idea of a demonstration, where everyone gets a chance to go on the field and show off what they've got, but you lose me when you start comparing who's bettter than who. I watched some of the competition at Wildwood, just not for me. I think the field would've been better used if more people got to fly on it, not just one person at a time. Out of 4 fields at Wildwood, one was designated as a dual-line field, and that was the competition. If you weren't competing, there was no where to fly.
~Rob.


Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: RonG on July 26, 2010, 06:32 AM
If you weren't competing, there was no where to fly.
I don't know about that, Rob.

I didn't compete this year at Wildwood, but I had no trouble flying on any of the festival fields.  In fact, I'd venture to say I did more actual flying at Wildwood this year than in all previous years when I did compete. 

Yes, you have jockey for space with a lot of other people, but if I could manage it with 125' lines it was certainly doable.


Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: RobB on July 26, 2010, 06:38 AM
I was using only 75' lines, flying in the spot that I was assigned, and by 11am I was only able to practice flapjacks, the rest of the quad fliers got so close. This was on Saturday, there was no problem on Friday. The only option on Saturday was to either watch, or hike far south of the festival itself.
The upshot is that I spent more time with my family, and got more time to admire the excellent single line display.


Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: RonG on July 26, 2010, 06:47 AM
I was using only 75' lines, flying in the spot that I was assigned, and by 11am I was only able to practice flapjacks, the rest of the quad fliers got so close. This was on Saturday, there was no problem on Friday. The only option on Saturday was to either watch, or hike far south of the festival itself.
The upshot is that I spent more time with my family, and got more time to admire the excellent single line display.

Where were you trying to fly?  I didn't hear anything about "assigned" places.  I tended to stay relatively close to the competition field so I could be ready to go out and judge when they needed me, but other than that I just plopped my kite down wherever I saw a space on the field, unrolled my lines, and flew.  The quad guys made room accordingly.  I didn't really think too much about it.



Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: RobB on July 26, 2010, 07:25 AM
Hey Ron...
The organizers asked me to check in at the main tent to get a place to fly each day. One field was dedicated to single line and show kites, on field was for the competition, one was for manufacturer's demos and instruction, and the other field was for quads. No space for someone who just wanted to fly a dualie for fun.
Like I said, no problem on Friday, plenty of space, and flew all day. Luckily, I got there early on Saturday and got a couple of hours before getting crowded out.
Just kind of disappointing to drive 6 hours to find that there's no place to fly for someone who just flies for fun. Sad to say, next year I'll save the hundreds of $$$ and fly more, and only drive 5 minutes.
~Rob.


Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: RonG on July 26, 2010, 07:32 AM
The organizers asked me to check in at the main tent to get a place to fly each day. One field was dedicated to single line and show kites, on field was for the competition, one was for manufacturer's demos and instruction, and the other field was for quads. No space for someone who just wanted to fly a dualie for fun.

Ah, that's the difference then.  I don't bother to ask, just go out and fly and they can (try to...) kick me off if they have a problem with it  ;D

Easier to get forgiveness than permission, as the saying goes...

Sorry to hear it was a bad experience for you.  The last thing events like that can afford to do is drive more people away  :(


Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: RobB on July 26, 2010, 09:12 AM
It's not really a matter of being driven away, I'll still be at my local festivals, that are a lot more lightly attended, anyway. The NYC kite festival has been great the last few years, but I understand why most people don't want to make the extra few mile drive on the BELT PARKWAY to get there. The venue is spectacular, and there's plenty of room for anyone to fly anything. The 'festivals' further east on the Island are OK, just that they are so lightly attended that it's hard to tell that it's actually a festival.
I will say that it was great to meet a number of people from this & other forums, and I did learn a bit from the people that I watched. Sorry I missed you, I haven't seen you fly since the NE Stunt Kite clinic in 2008.
~Rob


Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: Fast EDDY on July 28, 2010, 09:39 PM
Ya well

   This is my first Year back into Comp flying after a Long battle of illness etc. Im flying the BASKL group  and when I first showed UP it was a JOKE!~!

   Now nothing personal towards the organization. However when it takes going to THREE  yes THREE events before you are informed of things. Only when you start asking questions, IT SUCKS!~!~!  :(

   I hear about it all over as I travle about. How no one ever comes out to compete and show off their stuff. Yet when ""WE"" do not help those who ask questions or Mentor those who come to the events. Why do we Complain when "WE" do not help those people around us at a COMP with friendly advice and say Here ALLOW me to show you something!~! Then offer them to come and join you on the field and flip there kite around and get them interested in what ""WE"" do???

   We're dying for "we" keep shooting ourselves in our own FOOT!!! We do not Mentor new people and bring them into our world easily. Instead they try and get Slaughtered and frustrated and walk away. 

   I Personally have traveled approximately 3500 miles this season to fly the season at BASKL. This weekend is the finals at Berkeley  and I hope to Get a Spot / Invite into the Nationals!

   Its all FUN  :P and its All Good  ;) Yet we all Should help those in need and show them fun and a New way to FLY
   


Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: asburyparkjohn on July 29, 2010, 07:15 AM
Competitions today gave me several things when I went from doing Figure 8's on a $75 kite to trick flying with a $400-500 kite. It taught me about the high end equipment available at this level and which kite maker was suited to my age & style, how to use the equipment, what not to use on the equipment and discipline in flying the custom kite. Although I have reservations of the current COMP format with the dual line kite - specifically no TRICK PARTY type format - at least its something to attend to test out new equipment and get new ideas from fellow competitiors. What is the real value of drawing circles and straight lines in a Precision format VERY WELL and STOPPING THERE on one's own capabilities with say a Deep Space or Fearless is not fully comprehensible to me at this point in time so would I jump on a plane to a AKA COMP today - NO - will I travel 3-4 hours to one for the next 10 years under the current COMP format - ABSOLUTELY. You are right EDDY its a long road but like any other SPORT ... what you put in ... IS WHAT YOU GET OUT.


Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: Shamrocky on July 29, 2010, 08:33 AM
I fly kites to relaxand have fun. I understand the idea of a demonstration, where everyone gets a chance to go on the field and show off what they've got, but you lose me when you start comparing who's bettter than who. I watched some of the competition at Wildwood, just not for me. I think the field would've been better used if more people got to fly on it, not just one person at a time. Out of 4 fields at Wildwood, one was designated as a dual-line field, and that was the competition. If you weren't competing, there was no where to fly.
~Rob.

I compete because it is an opportunity to have an area reserved for me to fly in and I get to hear my music being played over the speaker system as I fly.   I think I completely forget there are judges there.

At many festivals there is no room for sport kites, especially dual lines.  There are so many show kites and SLK in the area, so if there is a competition going on, I know I will be guaranteed air space and time. 

If a festival has a demo field, I have offered to fly a demo, for the same reasons...flying space, time, and to hear my music.   Unfortunately, I have been at a few festivals where only the "Invited flyers" are allowed to fly.  That is a real bummer!!!! :( :( :(

I like to fly my SLK, but at times it gets boring.


Shamrocky


Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: Jared on July 29, 2010, 11:05 AM
I compete because it is an opportunity to have an area reserved for me to fly in and I get to hear my music being played over the speaker system as I fly.   I think I completely forget there are judges there.

At many festivals there is no room for sport kites, especially dual lines.  There are so many show kites and SLK in the area, so if there is a competition going on, I know I will be guaranteed air space and time. 

If a festival has a demo field, I have offered to fly a demo, for the same reasons...flying space, time, and to hear my music.   Unfortunately, I have been at a few festivals where only the "Invited flyers" are allowed to fly.  That is a real bummer!!!! :( :( :(

I like to fly my SLK, but at times it gets boring.


Shamrocky

Don't they know you're a National competition winner?  I'd think you could walk onto any field you'd choose :)


Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: RonG on July 29, 2010, 12:09 PM
I compete because it is an opportunity to have an area reserved for me to fly in and I get to hear my music being played over the speaker system as I fly.   I think I completely forget there are judges there.

At many festivals there is no room for sport kites, especially dual lines.  There are so many show kites and SLK in the area, so if there is a competition going on, I know I will be guaranteed air space and time. 

If a festival has a demo field, I have offered to fly a demo, for the same reasons...flying space, time, and to hear my music.   Unfortunately, I have been at a few festivals where only the "Invited flyers" are allowed to fly.  That is a real bummer!!!! :( :( :(

I like to fly my SLK, but at times it gets boring.


Shamrocky

Don't they know you're a National competition winner?  I'd think you could walk onto any field you'd choose :)

I can guarantee you that a "national sport kite title" means nothing.  Absolutely nothing.


Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: Jared on July 29, 2010, 12:19 PM
I can guarantee you that a "national sport kite title" means nothing.  Absolutely nothing.

You might have told me all this *before* I booked my airfare to Nationals  :D


Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: Kitemac on July 29, 2010, 12:28 PM
I can guarantee you that a "national sport kite title" means nothing.  Absolutely nothing.

I seem to remember an awesome demo for the STX series kites several years ago by a national champ.  Did that national champ get any $$ for it or for his association with the manufacturer?

If not that is interesting.  I did talk to a flier representing Prism a few years back and I believe he received kites and transportation reimbursements only.

Guess it is done for the love of the sport only.



Title: Re: Comp Flyers
Post by: RonG on July 29, 2010, 03:26 PM
I seem to remember an awesome demo for the STX series kites several years ago by a national champ.  Did that national champ get any $$ for it or for his association with the manufacturer?

I was Avia sponsored for a while, but that sponsorship was in place before I had any national titles.  Actually, few of the sponsored fliers I've known held that sponsorship on the basis of winning national championships.  They usually came through getting to know the manufacturer, being an enthusiastic representative of the product, and being willing to do some traveling to spread the word.  The compensation was typically in the form of free or discounted kites, line, and parts, and some cases some travel expenses.

Don't get me wrong - I was the beneficiary of a very generous sponsor, and it it definitely made it easier to travel the sport kite circuit season after season.

I'm not saying there have never been perks for being recognized as a skilled flier.  And, OK, maybe years ago winning national sport kite titles meant something.  But these days, who won what where is forgotten quickly after it happens.

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Guess it is done for the love of the sport only.

That's pretty much been the only reason ever for doing it.  Anyone who was expecting fame and fortune to come their way had a hard lesson to learn.