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Title: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: Dolphinboy on July 27, 2010, 05:39 PM
I wrote a brief Fearless SUL Tattoo review on the old forum. I'm re-posting it below with a few new comments here first in blue text.

There have been some that have had trouble with the SUL Tattoo and JLs or the 1/2 Lazy to Fade. Maybe the Fade roll out to Turtle too I'm not sure. In another thread we were discussing this and possibly it having to do with the deep Turtle of the Fearlesses. I tend to think it's not the reason having flown almost all the Fearless versions and not seeing an issue with the Turtle position on them. They all have the same deep Turtle.

Lam puts a pretty good sized chunk of weight on the tail of the Fearless, SULs included. Having spent some time playing around with weights, I would think that has a lot to do with the way the Tattoo behaves. Very light kite + lots of TW = some compromises in the way the kite tricks. There are also some benefits or people just wouldn't do it. Backspins and rolling up etc. are some tricks usually enhanced by adding more tail weight. I'm no kite design expert but I have seen this many times. To be fair if you throw the deep Turtle in to the equation who knows? I do know that when I add more weight to kites especially UL & SULs they have a tendency to loose an easy Pancake to Fade and possibly the 1/2 Lazy to Fade too.

I don't want to come across as conceited, but I really don't see much of a problem with the JL on the SUL Tattoo myself. The kite does need some precise / careful inputs at times but nothing out of the ordinary for a SUL. Different than a standard? Yeah, but easy enough.

For the JL let the kite settle back into the Turtle before the 1/2 Lazy input and pulling through to the Fade. Then just sweep, do not yank, add slack and you're in a Fade. You can also hit JLs quicker by just flicking the kite about with more of a wrist snap type input. The kite will then roll out of the Fade quickly and drop back into the Turtle quick too. Think more momentum. The kite is light but pitchy too.

A few more thoughts:

Do not over do the inputs and watch your slack especially in super low wind, too much slack & it's over, you've lost your control of the kite. Keep backing up, watch the input intensity and adjust inputs for the wind strength!

The Fearless SUL Tattoo is lighter than a Fearless SUL and tricks a little different. The SUL Tattoo takes a bit softer hand and a little more time to rotate though most tricks. The exception would be Backspins, Lazy / Multi- Lazies and over rotated Flic Flacs can be performed quickly. Standard Flic Flacs need a smooth sweep from Pancake to Fade.

I like to keep the kite lower in the window for most tricks. They just feel and look better too me.

A couple of tricks I didn't mention in the original review:

Taz - very good & easy to hit. This is a SUL so give it some time and enough slack for the rotation and it's SWEET.

Comete - Pretty straight forward but don't bang on it. You can go fast if you like but take it easy with the intensity. They look real good though.

Multi Lazies - It'll lazy until the lines bind up if you want. You can hit these fast if you like or slow them way down. Hit them hard and fast and they'll rise, slow and you'll probably loose some altitude if the winds real light. Lazy cascades are easy.



Here is the original review from 2008, I'll add a video showing some JLs too. I didn't measure the wind during the video but it was Super Ultra Light  ;) :

Skysport Design's (Lam Hoac's) Fearless SUL
The SUL trickers Holy Grail? Maybe...
 
I have owned a Fearless SUL Tattoo version for a couple of months. The Tattoo version has a single color sail which limits the seams and causes, according to Lam, less drag. This gives it an even lower bottom wind range.
 
When I first got my Fearless SUL, Lam told me to fly it and get a feel for it before I tried to trick it. I had test flown one already so I ignored that advice, as if I would have listened anyway, and started flicking it around the first moment I got it airborne, no problem. I did struggle with some very bumpy winds the first couple of times out with it, though.
 
My impression of the Fearless SUL when I fly it is it looks very graceful and precise as it tricks..... it just flat out looks cool tricking. It definitely has a UL / SUL look / feel but still pitches about pretty easy. As easy or easier than many standards. It looks and feels like a Lam kite, not too different from a Sea Devil light or SUL I've flown. To me, Lam's kites have their own unique feel and flight qualities not quite like any others. It's not very floaty for a SUL but it will trick down to zero mph and fly with some drive in just a tickle ( much less than 1mph) of a breeze with some moving about. I only fly it when the wind is less than about 3 mph and usually even less so I can't comment on the upper wind range.  The Fearless responds well to small quick inputs in most situations but be careful or you can find yourself with extra slack & no control in the lightest winds.
 
 
Top Positives of the Fearless SUL:
Fade - Super stable even in the lightest winds. Stake it stable. No wind just back peddle.
Backspin - Easy, a sharper hit flattens it out and use long pull for more of a roll type bs. It will bs endlessly or until your lines bind up. Not bad for a SUL!
Lazy Susan, Inverse - Goes back easy and rotates fast or slow high or low in the window. Good control. Sometimes it'll feel like it wants to get stuck in the turtle but just hit it and it doesn't.
Flare / Flic Flac - It has a dead spot (like many kites) if you let the nose get too high in the flare so pull back to a fade quickly. Over rotated flic flacs are excellent and once you get it pitching, just haul a$$ toward it and it can roll up twice from a Fade! Yo Flics baby!
Yoyo - Rolls up from many positions. Two pops need to hit be very even or it rolls crooked. It will roll up multiple times from a single input. Not the quickest or easiest (or hardest either!) kite to roll up (compared to a std) but it's not hard and for a UL / SUL probably the best I've tried of this type.
JL - Are very nice looking and you can flick them quick even in light wind with just a snap of the wrist or slow them down. If slow, make sure the nose is deep in the half turtle before you pull to the fade position and your golden.
Slots & 540s etc. - Really, really nice. Lines clear the wing tips without a fuss and it looks great doing these.
Wap do waps - This is a trick where you need to learn it's timing and give a bit more slack during the rotation or it won't rotate 360 deg. Once you get the touch - very nice.
The half axel / cascade - Again, the Fearless gets top marks for looks on these and they're ez too.
Does (almost?) all the tricks even in SUL form!!! The limiting factor here is the pilot (me)
Super Low wind trickability - A++
Build Quality -  As usual from Lam, top shelf.
 
Negatives
Bumpy wind - It can get in awkward positions & drop very quickly especially in the bumpy stuff higher in the window.
Slack control -  Not really a negative just keep an eye on your lines & limit the slack a bit more than some others.... except for certain tricks (like Wap do Waps) need just a bit more.
Crazy copter - I haven't had much luck hitting them. I just can't get it to roll forward consistently.
Cost $$$$$ - I had to sell three kites & kick in a couple extra bucks to pay for it.
For me, some tricks had a bit more of a learning curve than I initially felt they would.
 
Most of the other negatives I have experienced are disappearing as a get used to the Fearless SUL and are more just it's personality than anything negative. It is demanding of precise inputs in certain situations but overall not hard to trick even in the lightest winds. If you can think of a trick, the Fearless SUL can probably do it. It may take a bit to learn how to do it but it's probably not the kite if you can't. I still need more time on it but the Super Duper SUL winds have come to my area and it's just about the only kite I've flown in the last few weeks. I am so glad I have the Fearless SUL for these conditions.
 
The more I fly it, the more I like it. When you start understanding it, really getting it, the Fearless SUL becomes almost alive in your hands and any awkwardness seems to vanish and the tricks just flow. The Fearless SUL tricks beautifully not just for a SUL but as nice of looking tricks as any kite. ..... Super smile generator too, Yeah I'm happy.
 
Peace

Fearless SUL 05-29-2010.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgNtfuxR5ck#normal)




Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: RobB on July 27, 2010, 06:24 PM
I'm one of the ones that didn't take to the Fearless right away. I got a Tattoo close to a year ago, and although I'm better with it, I'm still better with the Exile UL in the same winds. I did find that using short (50 foot) lines helps to get closer to the kite and see what it's doing. It is hard for my eyes to see the all black kite against bushes, trees and cliffs that surround my flying areas. I just flew it today, and am still having trouble with JLs. I can hit 10 rungs or more on a Sea Devil, but I'm lucky to get 3 on the Fearless.
The things I can do with the kite look great, so I doubled down on the Fearless, and got the vented light. I find it more agreeable than the SUL, but still I have the same issues. Trouble with the flic flacs and the 1/2 lazy to fade, where I can do both all day on the Sea Devils.
Those negitives aside, either kite is usually first out of the bag for the last few months, because they are fun kites. The vented light makes cr@p winds tollerable, and you don't go home grumbling. The deep turtle really spoils you for other kites, it takes remedial work to be able to backflip and trick anything else.
For what it's worth, I still have alot to learn, and the Fearless has taught me a few tricks that I've transferred to other kites, but I can understand why they're not for everyone.


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: tpatter on July 27, 2010, 06:52 PM
For my 2 cents, its the easiest SUL to JL that I've ever flown.  It has the same "JL feel" that the other Fearless have.

The flick-flack takes more care than the light, etc, but other than that and other speed and timing differences due to low wind speed, I pretty much use the same inputs as for the others in the line as near as I can tell.  The kite does all the tricks its siblings do, only in less wind.

Now, I can't wait to try the Transformer SUL if and when Lam makes one.


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: ko on July 27, 2010, 07:25 PM
thanx for the wisdom and vid james .. nicely done. as usual  i agree with tom on the virtues of the tat to me there is a little dead spot if you dont get the nose up in the fade.. but that is easily overcome with a little patience..although i sold the shadow i still have an inner space for slow and floaty
thanx again KO ps what spreaders are you using james 2pt or 3??


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: Kantaxel on July 27, 2010, 08:19 PM
I've got the same problem as Rob......I can get away with spanking most of the other Fearless, even in lighter winds...............but once I can tone it down, it's easier to trick.......It's just that it takes so darn long to tone it down!  Too many walks to get rid of all the tangles :'(

James,
Looks like you've got the feel.........someday I might get it.........If I spend enough time watching Tom and Lam..........There is such a thing as osmosis, isn't there?

Jim


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: Dolphinboy on July 27, 2010, 10:51 PM
I forgot a step in the JL explanation. The kind of important 1/2 Lazy rotation. It's fixed now.

Must86
The Vented Light also needs a little more care from Pancake to Fade but it's not nearly as picky as the Tattoo or SUL. Just use a smooth sweep type motion when you pull back to the Fade. Don't hit / pop the input abruptly or it can come back askew. Once you get a feel for it, you'll be alright and then you can maybe pop it a bit more. It will come back with a sharp input but you need to be even with both lines.

KO
I use 2 PT LSs on the Tattoo. I made up a set of 3 PTs but I just don't use them.

The floatier kites are easier to fly and do some tricks in SUL wind. When you release a little pressure on the sail, they float more and take their time flipping about. But if you want to start hitting the pitchy stuff, that's where Fearless SUL / Tattoo come in. The downside is the kites need more attention to how and where you give slack. Too much at the wrong time and the kite flops about and into positions you had no intention doing. So easy with the inputs until you get it down. Keep the sail full of air because again, it'll flop / wrap / tangle on you very quickly. This can also be a problem with very pitchy standard kites too, even more so as the wind drops and it's easier to put slack in the lines.



Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: RobB on July 28, 2010, 03:55 AM
Hi James...
The smooth sweep motion... Tom's been trying to explain this to me, too, and I usually end up smooth sweeping the kite out of the air. I had the same problem with the Shadow, by the way. I will overcome this and eventually figure it out. I flew the vented light with 3 highly skilled pilots at Wildwood, they all had the same problem. Made me feel much better about it. My biggest problem with my slow progress is that I only get to fly with people I can learn from maybe once a year.
BTW... what's the difference between the SUL and the Tattoo, other than the lack of eyes and waves ?
~Rob.


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: Kantaxel on July 28, 2010, 04:50 AM
Really nothing else except the lack of applique and more weight (which meansmore mass)

I CAN spank the SUL compared to the Tattoo.................. ???


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: asburyparkjohn on July 28, 2010, 09:05 AM
It seems we are all on the same page here. Sweep instead of yank on the fade w/in the JLs. I also found more slack - this being ... taking that one or two steps into the kite (i.e., if needed - most of the time) for more slack to ensure the Fade which I usually do not do for the SD-SUL under identical wind conditions or nearly as much should I say.
We are very demanding here  :D but when we fly a Lam SUL kite it should do every trick in the book - EASY  ;) ;) ;). A minor adjustment for sure ... that is an intersting thought ... I wonder what the Transformer TL (SUL) has in store for us ... its a vicious circle ...  :D :D :D.


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: Dolphinboy on July 28, 2010, 09:14 AM
My SUL Tattoo has a lighter spine too. That takes a bit more weight off. I wanted to be able to trick in the lowest wind possible with a Fearless. When I have flown the Tattoo and the regular SUL side by side, the Tattoo feels noticeably lighter. The regular SUL is a little closer to a Light in how the kite behaves and the inputs needed. It too takes similar inputs, but you can feel a little more mass with it.

Must86
If you have trouble with the JL on the Vented Light, I'm at a loss on that. That kite rocks the JL and JL related combos.

Where is the problem with the Flic Flac on the VL, getting back to Fade, out of the Fade or? Does it come back crooked or not at all?

The standard Fearless and Light are super easy to Flic Flac and aren't critcal where you stop the nose in the Pancake.

On the VL from a Fade Pull evenly, slack - reach / lean or step toward the kite depending on wind, keep the nose flat in the Pancake. You can do this by catching or adding slight tension on the lines, then sweep evenly, slack and catch the Fade. It kind of sounds complicated when I type it out but it's really not. It'll Flic Flac all day long but just not as care free as the STD / Light. Easier than many kites though but it still needs it's own touch. It's the same with the SULs but they just need a much gentler sweep and don't let the nose up at all.

John
The SD SUL has more sail than a F SUL or Tattoo = more drive, more float. Flat spin tricks are flatter etc. But it takes more care to toss about, roll up, Backspin and for me (this is where I'm different from most of you) JL. Very nice though but more of a slower classic SUL feel over all.


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: asburyparkjohn on July 28, 2010, 09:58 AM
I agree totally. Will be using the 3PT and 5PT LSs and interchanging 50# and 90# line respectively with this Transformer TL kite. We shall see where this takes me ... thanks for the info ... keep reporting ...


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: RobB on July 28, 2010, 06:11 PM
Thanks, James. I try to keep the helpful advice that you & others have given me in my head, but as soon as the kite's off the ground, I find it very hard to think about what I'm supposed to be doing, I'm to busy thinking about what I am doing. The remote advice of others & videos & video taping my flying are slowly helping me to learn what I'm doing wrong. It took me about 30 hours to get to an acceptable level on the vented light, and I've probably doubled that by now. It does some things so nice, but if I try to bang off 5 or 10 flic flacs in a row, something happens around 3 or 4 and I have to bail out. Same with the JL... if I get 3 rungs in a row, it's a good day. Other than that, I have learned 3 new tricks on it, and that's one over my yearly quota, and the best flying conditions of the year are yet to come.  :)
Thanks again for the advice & the videos.
~Rob.


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: Dolphinboy on November 01, 2010, 11:44 PM
I was flying my SUL Tattoo tonight and started thinking about a couple of you that have had trouble pulling the half Lazy though to Fade on the Jacobs Ladder. So I started doing lots of JLs and continuous JLs. The Tattoo really does a nice JL. I wasn't having anymore trouble than most kites, better than many others. I know that doesn't help if your struggling so I tried playing around a bit trying different inputs to see if I could replicate the issue some are having.

So a few of things that may help:

First make sure you let the nose drop before the half lazy rotation. That will keep it lower though the rotation. I'm thinking this may be the issue. When I tried rotating before the nose dropped, the kite stayed nose high and didn't pull through as easily. Another thing you can try is using more momentum or a quicker input when you flip it back into the Turtle, then go though all the inputs a little quicker, not harder but a bit more flick to them. I know this is similar to the advise I gave above but I'm pretty sure this is where the hold up is. Make sure you let the kite rotate to a full 1/2 before you pull to Fade too.

A few other things I'd try is keeping the kite in the bottom 1/4-1/3 of the window. The lower the better. I find that most UL / SULs feel much livelier in this area of the window and most tricks seem easier too. JLs are definitely better here. The final thing is make sure you try the JLs in light wind. I know some say they fly the SUL in higher winds but it will be much easier in say 2-4 or 5 mph.

Remember this kite can JL like a champ so it has to be technique and if I can do it so can you.


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: asburyparkjohn on November 02, 2010, 04:05 AM
Thanks I will try this deeper nose. I usually take a step in to ensure very low wind resistance which helps with this part of the trick, and as you say as the wind climbs the JL becomes harder through this part of the trick.


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: RobB on November 02, 2010, 04:46 AM
Hey all...
I've been working with the Fearless Tattoo for a little over a year now, it has become my favorite low wind trick kite by far. I mean, like really low wind... I've actually done some 360s with it on shorter lines. I found that the kite really likes the 60' lines, thanks Tom. 75s are too long, and 50s are too short, 60' is just right. I also try to keep the other hints in mind when flying, like not letting the nose go too high in the flic-flac. It certainly isn't an easy kite to get used to, but once you do, it is a true joy to fly in less than 5mph wind. I made a video of it recently that I thought that I'd share... if you've flown the kite, you'll be able to tell this was really low wind...
~Rob.

Flying the Fearless Tattoo SUL in 1-3mph winds... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4m_bvlG9Ek#ws)


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: obijuankenobe on November 02, 2010, 05:46 AM
As it says on the tin...a low wind video of the Fearless Tattoo.  I believe this is a true first with regards to this kite.  It's losing altitude and pressure like ALL kites do in this wind, and I believe I have several kites that fly as well or better (the Ghost, the Essence SUL, and even my XTs).  It's not magic after all, but all pilot dependent.  Phew.

Thanks for that.

obi


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: in.divi.dual on November 02, 2010, 08:11 AM
As it says on the tin...a low wind video of the Fearless Tattoo.  I believe this is a true first with regards to this kite.  It's losing altitude and pressure like ALL kites do in this wind, and I believe I have several kites that fly as well or better (the Ghost, the Essence SUL, and even my XTs).  It's not magic after all, but all pilot dependent.  Phew.

Now thats some funny sh!t right there :D


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: tpatter on November 02, 2010, 09:20 AM
Fly and let fly boys.


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: Dolphinboy on November 02, 2010, 09:40 AM
I spend more, actually, way more than half of my time flying in UL / SUL conditions, it's the nature of the winds I have. I can tell you guys, if I'm flying the Fearless Tattoo, the wind is very light. If the wind gets consistently over about 3+ mph I put it down. If the winds are fluctuating between SUL and UL then I'll keep it out. I have a bag full of kites I'd rather fly in consistently more wind. I love this kite in very light winds, not so much if it picks up. It's lack of mass is not to my liking in more wind.

I think we all know there are many UL / SULs out there. There is a wide range of abilities these kites bring to the field, drive, what tricks they can do and the manner in which they do them, etc. I know, I have owned many and have flown many more. But I like the combination of trickability and drive of this kite in low winds. Many qualities of how a kite performs a trick are hard to qualify. So if you like how the Fearless tricks, you'll probably like the SUL / Tattoo in low winds too. If not, well there you go, there are plenty of other kites to take a look at.  I'm sure it's personal preference combined with the abilities of the kite / pilot and wind conditions too.

The Tattoo is no more "magic" than any other SUL unless, of course, it works for the pilots in the conditions they are flying in, doing the tricks they want to do. Then it very well may seem like "magic" to them.


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: Kantaxel on November 02, 2010, 09:51 AM
Fly and let fly boys.

+1
 :D


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: zippy8 on November 02, 2010, 11:22 AM
I made a video of it recently that I thought that I'd share...
TFS

To me it looks like the SUL version has retained a lot~most of the range's trickiness but it looked quite pitchy and seemed to keen to keep rotating a little post-trick (as it were).

Nice enough though.

Mike.


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: Dolphinboy on November 02, 2010, 11:49 AM
I made a video of it recently that I thought that I'd share...
TFS

To me it looks like the SUL version has retained a lot~most of the range's trickiness but it looked quite pitchy and seemed to keen to keep rotating a little post-trick (as it were).

Nice enough though.

Mike.

This is true and one of the challenges of flying a pitchy SUL. When you stall the kite and release pressure on the sail it's needs to be done more carefully than with a floatier kite. On the positive side, control it and you're able to pitch it about easily, even in SUL winds.


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: bigwheels on November 02, 2010, 12:31 PM
must86: Glad you showed your body in the video. It shows what is causing your problems with the jl & probably the flic flack. Like Lam says, "line management" . Everything with the sul is done softly. No popping the lines. The pull through from the 1/2 lazy is a line tensioned pull through, not a full on jerk. Same with the flic flacks. Take a step back rather than pulling with your arms. It will soften the input. Hope it helps. SS


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: RobB on November 02, 2010, 12:41 PM
must86: Glad you showed your body in the video. It shows what is causing your problems with the jl & probably the flic flack. Like Lam says, "line management" . Everything with the sul is done softly. No popping the lines. The pull through from the 1/2 lazy is a line tensioned pull through, not a full on jerk. Same with the flic flacks. Take a step back rather than pulling with your arms. It will soften the input. Hope it helps. SS
Thank you for the input. Having no one around to look over my shoulder and give live suggestions, this is the next best thing. All I have learned is from videos that others have made, and peoples comments on my videos. So thanks for taking the time to watch & comment !  :)
~Rob.


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: DD on November 02, 2010, 02:12 PM
I think we all know there are many UL / SULs out there. There is a wide range of abilities these kites bring to the field, drive, what tricks they can do and the manner in which they do them, etc. I know, I have owned many and have flown many more. But I like the combination of trickability and drive of this kite in low winds. Many qualities of how a kite performs a trick are hard to qualify. So if you like how the Fearless tricks, you'll probably like the SUL / Tattoo in low winds too. If not, well there you go, there are plenty of other kites to take a look at.  I'm sure it's personal preference combined with the abilities of the kite / pilot and wind conditions too.

The Tattoo is no more "magic" than any other SUL unless, of course, it works for the pilots in the conditions they are flying in, doing the tricks they want to do. Then it very well may seem like "magic" to them.

to me this is an intelligent well worded comment and speaks volumes about many ul/sul kites.


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: asburyparkjohn on November 02, 2010, 04:16 PM
People keep using KOOL AID and MAGIC to bring down this kite or saying its no different than other SULs. I will try again ... it's the lack of effort it takes on this kite and his other kites that make his kites a winner in my book. I have noticed the Essence SUL in a Trick Party video from a gentleman wearing a T-Shirt saying Lord of the Strings. This kite video did intrigue me ...  it really did ... in the way the pilot FLOWED through the tricks so I remain optomistic ... I already tried the GHOST ... but on this forum there is no point on bad-mouthing a kite ... you simply move on if you did not click with it after several months... I have to try one or two of these other European SULs ... this is true ...  but I remain pessimistic in their ability to exceed this kite and PROBABLY only equal it ... I think the problem is the acclimation period it takes to tune into a kite and the amount of effort and time to test each kite fairly. We are forced in some ways to only try kites available in our own backyards and this obviously creates this back and forth over the POND in this forum  ... see this video again and notice the lack of effort ... I think the Transformer SUL may exceed the Tattoo ... for me anyway ... this is just in my mind right now and will take this thought to the test next Spring when the weather warms up here in NJ-USA and the winds remain low and pleasant. ENJOY.  ;) ;) ;)


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: zippy8 on November 02, 2010, 04:20 PM
This is true and one of the challenges of flying a pitchy SUL. When you stall the kite and release pressure on the sail it's needs to be done more carefully than with a floatier kite.
TBH I normally take it as a sign that the kite is a little underpowered or that the bridle is a smidge too heavy, depending on how you like to look at it. But this was at odds with the kite climbing quite easily when it did take the wind. It certainly didn't seem to need pumping through the sky.

Interesting wind range comments, as always  ;)

Mike.


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: Dolphinboy on November 02, 2010, 08:42 PM

TBH I normally take it as a sign that the kite is a little underpowered or that the bridle is a smidge too heavy, depending on how you like to look at it. But this was at odds with the kite climbing quite easily when it did take the wind. It certainly didn't seem to need pumping through the sky.


Mike, if your talking about how the kite acts in Rob's video, I think that's more Rob's style than the kite. When I fly mine it looks very different than Rob's style.


Rob, Bigwheels is correct about slack management. I would try adding more slack on the 1/2 Lazy rotaion also. If you watch the nose of the kite on the JLs you hit well, those nose stayed low. On the ones you missed or that barely came back to Fade, the nose was higher during the rotation. Step toward the kite during the rotation and then what Bigwheels said, try stepping back for the pull to Fade. Your not me and you have your own style, but overall I'd be moving way more than you are flying the Tattoo in those same winds. On the JLs I be stepping forward as the wind increases and lots of stepping back in the light stuff. But quite often it's forward for slack, back for taking it up.

Good luck


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: zippy8 on November 02, 2010, 09:59 PM
Mike, if your talking about how the kite acts in Rob's video, I think that's more Rob's style than the kite. When I fly mine it looks very different than Rob's style.
Well.... possibly.... but from this video it does look to me a little different to what I've experienced in that it seems to power up to the top of the (small) window quite happily on its own then sort s l u r it's motions a little exiting a trick. Nowt major, just caught my eye.

If the claimed wind is accurate then it's quite impressive how little the flyer needs to move although, yes, I too would probably be hopping back and forth a bit more. Maybe that's my "style"  ;)

Mike.


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: RobB on November 03, 2010, 03:43 AM
Winds were claimed to be 1-3mph. At 3mph, the kite is about as powered up as I'd want to fly it. Like was stated above, once the wind goes consistantly above 3mph, it's time to look for a heavier kite. When you saw to kite dropping or stalling, the wind was next to nothing, maybe 1mph. One advantage that I have is having a long arm sweep. I'm about 6'6" tall, and a sweep of my arms is about equal to a step back, so to get the kite to power up, you might not see me step back, but rather use a smooth arm sweep (I try to be smooth, at least).
As far as any sloppiness leaving a trick, that's more than likely me, and not the kite. THe video is more an example of how the kite flies, not how well it could be tricked. Hopefully I didn't do the kite injustice from my lack of skills.

James, I'd like to thank you for your comments, too. I've been trying to bring helpful suggestions out to the field with me, and I think I have gotten better with the kite. It was a disaster when I first got it, and I got alot of helpful advice from TPatters, Kantaxel, and a couple others. You had also given me some advice a few months ago, and hopefully you could see that a little sunk in.

It may be as far away as the 2011 AKA convention that I get a chance to see a truley skilled pilot fly this kite in person to see what it can really do, but for now, the kite impresses me every time I fly it.

~Rob.


Title: Re: Tricking the Fearless SUL Tattoo
Post by: jaybett on November 03, 2010, 03:46 AM
Thanks for posting video.

Just to echo what others have said, the more I move my feet, the better the performance I get out of the Fearless SUL.

Jay