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Title: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: n893 on August 21, 2010, 07:30 AM
(2nd Moderation, 1:14 AM Sunday Aug 22)
Indirect Link Removed.
There may be a language problem here.
The intent of the rule is to remove the path to all stores selling kites, whether they sell legitimate or counterfeit kites. By putting in the link with the directions to change *** to com, you have still provided the link to another kite store.

You are free to:
1 Name the store
2 Accuse them of selling counterfeit kites
3 Hopefully, state reasons why you believe the kites are counterfeit
4 Perhaps use a different font color than yellow (very difficult to read)

Il Duce.
_________________________________________________________

please change *** to com

Please Do Not post Direct Commercial Kite Links

Thanks. JWB

please beware...


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: tcope on August 21, 2010, 09:05 AM
The moderation kind of makes this post completely pointless.


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: JimB on August 21, 2010, 09:26 PM
Yours or his?

The point of this thread seems to have been to post a link to a site selling counterfeit kites.

If the point was to remind people to beware of counterfeit kites at their local store or on the manufacturer sites of the various boutique builders and/or the larger companies, well then: job done.

But then the link was not necessary now was it? One could in fact opine that it was pointless.

There has been a lot of talk and posting of links back and forth concerning counterfeit kites, probably more than is warranted given the fact that most of the people visiting this site are entirely aware of the situation to begin with.

The people, in general, who find these kites and the sites where they are sold are the ones who go looking for them in the first place.

If you know enough to plug "Nirvana" into a search engine, you probably also know enough to plug "R-Sky" in too. If you end up on some no name site with a kite that looks vaguely, or more than vaguely, like a Nirvana with "Nirvana" worked into the name, well you get what you pay for.

If everyone wants to discuss counterfeit kites, then by all means, go ahead.

But.

Links to sites, whether commercial or otherwise, containing pictures and discussions of them will not be left in place.

You know the old saying, "There is no such thing as bad publicity."?

Like that.


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: JimB on August 21, 2010, 11:09 PM
Don't think for a moment there aren't people attempting to use this site to drive people towards sites where counterfeit kites are for sale.

I personally do not care if you buy counterfeit kites. That's between you and your conscience.

But you aren't going to get the link here.


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: tcope on August 21, 2010, 11:41 PM
Yours or his?
I guess that depends... was my post moderated?  ::)

But then the link was not necessary now was it? One could in fact opine that it was pointless.
Never said it was and never said it should not have been removed. I was _simply_ pointing out that without more in the post the removal of the link made the whole post empty.



Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: JimB on August 21, 2010, 11:59 PM
"The moderation kind of makes this post completely pointless."

You read it and tell me what it says.

If you meant thread, then okay. I was asking for clarification. What you wrote was not clear.


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: tcope on August 22, 2010, 12:10 AM
The point I was making was that the OP did not include any helpful info other then the link. When the link was removed (per forum guidelines) the only thing the  OP's post stated was "Please beware". The OP should have included more info, such as perhaps the type of kite, the maker, comments on how bad the kite is, etc.


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: n893 on August 22, 2010, 12:47 AM
Sorry Mod....

i'll make it no direct link...

thanks for remind me...


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: n893 on August 22, 2010, 01:23 AM
Thanks Mod...

yes it's chinese website... i just wanna make other here to becarefull when buying kite online...

i meet the seller in china yesterday and he give me his web address and say he
copy cosmic tc, Lamhoac sea devil and nirvana...

he try to sell me and he said he already sell it alot in ebay and other online shop...

and from the price he sell in his web we should already know it's copy...

china yuan (RMB) : USD = 7 : 1

i dont know how to share the web again then...

but thanks for remind me...

 ;)


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: fidelio on August 22, 2010, 02:20 AM
thank you n893 for letting us know the cosmic tc, sea devil, and nirvana are being copied. until this point i wasn't aware of this.

should i buy one of these kites in the future, i'll make sure it's authentic by purchasing from a reputable dealer or individual i trust.


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: zippy8 on August 22, 2010, 03:34 AM
thank you n893 for letting us know the cosmic tc, sea devil, and nirvana are being copied. until this point i wasn't aware of this.

should i buy one of these kites in the future, i'll make sure it's authentic by purchasing from a reputable dealer or individual i trust.
Ummm..... I don't think what's being highlighted here is what I would call counterfeit in that it is a fake sold as something else; labels, name and all. What I've seen before are look-a-like, shaped-a-like models that rip off the design but no-one with a shred of sense about them is going to mistake for The Real Thing™. At least not for a dual line kite.....

One website that I was directed to makes for truly scary viewing if you were in any line of business that involved selling things you make for money. How ironic then that the URL should immediately bring to mind "... and the Forty Thieves".  :-[

Mike.


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: fidelio on August 22, 2010, 05:01 AM
we wouldn't know; the information to make our own assessment remains withheld.


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: zippy8 on August 22, 2010, 07:35 AM
we wouldn't know; the information to make our own assessment remains withheld.

Fair point. How about this then:-

a company in Shandong will make you these...
(http://www.elisanet.fi/mike.emery/Stuff/stunt_kite.jpg)
Minimum order is 200 and they can supply up to 20,000 a week. The unit price just undercuts the original. ;) If you don't like what you see there are plenty of others willing to assist you, although how representative of what you get the pictures are I simply could not say.

(http://www.elisanet.fi/mike.emery/Stuff/stunt_kite_1.jpg)(http://www.elisanet.fi/mike.emery/Stuff/stunt_kite_2.jpg)(http://www.elisanet.fi/mike.emery/Stuff/stunt_kite_3.jpg)

However, to mistake it for the original would be an act of extreme folly and I seriously doubt anything other than a shady eBay site is going to offer these kites.

Mike.


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: n893 on August 22, 2010, 08:15 AM
hi all... thanks for the support...

me n steve donovan from australia is trying to encourage local kite maker in china not to copy other design

make people notice of how many kite had been copied out there hope can make buyer aware too...

because some people always trying to sell this fake things as original, and with original price too...

if someday one of you can visit china n see the copy kite one in hand will be sure very supprise, because some of them build in very same quality n with print and label too...

like cosmic TC, the even print the warning small label at behind...

copy spar is start making problems too...

 ;) ;) ;)


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: skabt on August 22, 2010, 09:00 AM
angelkites also copy kite ???
sorry, me noob, just start learn how to fly a kite :)


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: n893 on August 22, 2010, 03:29 PM
Hi...

which angelkite? shape like rev or the one looks like nirvana?

the looks like rev one is copy... made in shenzhen china...

looks like nirvana is not copy because the dimension and the fabric layout and bridle is much diffrent from nirvana... made in weifang shandong
 ;)


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: cids on August 22, 2010, 08:08 PM
As I see it, they are really doing the sport kite scene a big flavor by supplying new beginners with some high performance cheap kites.  Once they got hooked, they will spend big $$$ to get the 'real thing'.  I think it will help the original kite makers in the end. :)


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: KaoS on August 22, 2010, 08:25 PM
As I see it, they are really doing the sport kite scene a big flavor by supplying new beginners with some high performance cheap kites.  Once they got hooked, they will spend big $$$ to get the 'real thing'.  I think it will help the original kite makers in the end. :)



(http://www.extremekites.com.au/forums/images/smilies/popcorm1.gif)


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: cids on August 22, 2010, 08:43 PM
As I see it, they are really doing the sport kite scene a big flavor by supplying new beginners with some high performance cheap kites.  Once they got hooked, they will spend big $$$ to get the 'real thing'.  I think it will help the original kite makers in the end. :)



([url]http://www.extremekites.com.au/forums/images/smilies/popcorm1.gif[/url])


Stop eating and go fly a kite or you will become a FAT B :) Y.  :D :D :D


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: zippy8 on August 22, 2010, 09:01 PM
if someday one of you can visit china n see the copy kite one in hand will be sure very supprise, because some of them build in very same quality n with print and label too...

like cosmic TC, the even print the warning small label at behind...

copy spar is start making problems too...
OK, this I wasn't aware of. This is not a good development.  :-[

Mike.


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: skabt on August 22, 2010, 11:19 PM
Hi...

which angelkite? shape like rev or the one looks like nirvana?

the looks like rev one is copy... made in shenzhen china...

looks like nirvana is not copy because the dimension and the fabric layout and bridle is much diffrent from nirvana... made in weifang shandong
 ;)



this one :
(http://www.elisanet.fi/mike.emery/Stuff/stunt_kite_3.jpg)


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: WinterDaze on August 22, 2010, 11:42 PM
Hmmmm, could be a bit of a 'lark', some might see a resemblance, not copy though... how would you see it?

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Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: ezme6 on August 23, 2010, 06:15 AM
N893.... :)


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: cids on August 23, 2010, 06:40 AM
As I see it, they are really doing the sport kite scene a big flavor by supplying new beginners with some high performance cheap kites.  Once they got hooked, they will spend big $$$ to get the 'real thing'.  I think it will help the original kite makers in the end. :)

It will be a 'crime' if the copied kites have fake logos or brand name in them.

Someone here told me that the xxxxxx xxx is a Lam's SD copy and they sell it at half price and is done for years now.  The xxxxxx xxx kites are regularly buying and selling here in the swap meet.  So what is the big deal. 

This is the job of the original makers to take actions against the fakes but I'm doubt they have the financial mean or will to follow through.  They are just too small. 

LV has a lot of money and still can't do anythings with all the fake LV bags.

I think the best that we can do is to educate new fliers regarding the issues and starting to pay more attentions from NEW members who is selling new brand name kites through the Swap Meet.  By the way, my pal's Cosmic TC Vented in the Swap Meet is the real McCoy.  :D


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: rickks on August 23, 2010, 08:43 AM

Humm...When the dust settles on this...it will still get down to if you want the real you will have to buy the real thing.
Like That






Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: n893 on August 23, 2010, 09:44 AM
agreed... just always buy from your trusted seller... because some sell the copy one with original price...

ow... that angelkite were developed by ming ming in shandong province... thats his real idea one...
 
ezme6  ;D ;D;D


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: skabt on August 23, 2010, 10:07 AM
agreed... just always buy from your trusted seller... because some sell the copy one with original price...

ow... that angelkite were developed by ming ming in shandong province... thats his real idea one...
 
ezme6  ;D ;D;D


but it showing in COPY KITES THREAD .....

For us as newbie, who and what to trust ?


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: cids on August 23, 2010, 12:21 PM
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For us as newbie, who and what to trust ?
You can buy from GWTW members like myself with excellent feedback.  ;)  Just kidding.  :) :) :)

I think you should only buy from kite shops that have good reputations and long history or buy directly from kite builders.  This is what we are doing now anyway.  Don't buy any brand name new kites from xb6y or other auction/internet sites.  I think it is easy to avoid buying fakes.
 
 


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: skabt on August 23, 2010, 12:49 PM
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For us as newbie, who and what to trust ?
You can buy from GWTW members like myself with excellent feedback.  ;)  Just kidding.  :) :) :)

I think you should only buy from kite shops that have good reputations and long history or buy directly from kite builders.  This is what we are doing now anyway.  Don't buy any brand name new kites from xb6y or other auction/internet sites.  I think it is easy to avoid buying fakes.
 
 

yah this is why i'm here :)
Kite in my country is selling at CRAZY and ridiculous prices ....


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: n893 on August 23, 2010, 05:25 PM
maybe the one that post the picture see it as kristal fx...

because that what happend to me too at the first time i see it but when measure every things and look carefully...

it's diffrent...

can you ask him to take out from his pic replay?
 
:) :) :)

agree with you Cids...


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: KaoS on August 23, 2010, 05:41 PM
Hmmmm, could be a bit of a 'lark', some might see a resemblance, not copy though... how would you see it?

A lot of kite graphics resemble those on other kites


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Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: ezme6 on August 23, 2010, 05:52 PM
Thanks for the gift from China n893...that was fast delivery my friend


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: WinterDaze on August 23, 2010, 06:16 PM
Figured as much, wsasn't a photocopy, but you know, it's the job of us myopic (and sometimes fuzzy) front line troops to 'keep our eye's peeled'...

Now I'm off to take up point.


Title: Re: Warning copy kite spotted
Post by: aiZat on August 24, 2010, 11:56 PM
Thats the Crusader and Lark from Angelkites. They only got 3 type.. Skydancer, Lark and Crusader. I own the Crusader and feel its a good kite for beginner as i did. I agree it looks almost similar to Nirvana kites. Now i got myself the real deal.. The Ocius....