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Title: Urban Ninja
Post by: ezme6 on September 05, 2010, 06:20 AM
Coming my way.... 8)




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Title: Re: Urban Ninja
Post by: UPNET on September 05, 2010, 07:12 AM
Great...let us know what you think of it.

Regards,
Chris


Title: Re: Urban Ninja
Post by: mikenchico on September 05, 2010, 09:03 AM
The guys flying them here are putting one of the smallest ball bearing fishing swivels at the tow point, 'old school' I know but it helps with line twists and they feel actually balanced the kite better. A lot of adjustments you can make to dial in the flight to your liking, great kite, have fun.



Title: Re: Urban Ninja
Post by: skabt on September 05, 2010, 03:03 PM
make by u ???


Title: Re: Urban Ninja
Post by: skabt on September 14, 2010, 09:55 AM
nice kites there .....
unfortunately is not make by you and you purchase or trade it, so this is a nice copy kites ...

More info about this copy kite : horvath@horvath.ch


Title: Re: Urban Ninja
Post by: ezme6 on September 14, 2010, 12:02 PM
plans are available online....sooooo....??

http://www.kitebuilder.com/wiki/pmwiki.php/KitePlans/00035 (http://www.kitebuilder.com/wiki/pmwiki.php/KitePlans/00035)


Title: Re: Urban Ninja
Post by: skabt on September 15, 2010, 05:46 AM
plans are available online....sooooo....??

[url]http://www.kitebuilder.com/wiki/pmwiki.php/KitePlans/00035[/url] ([url]http://www.kitebuilder.com/wiki/pmwiki.php/KitePlans/00035[/url])


plan available doesn't means it can be copy ....

BTW this is what i learn from kite organization, whatever their friend did is right and 100% legal ... copy kite only apply to those not in their group ... this really ego and really love their selfishness + brainless ...

creative commons RIGHT :
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/ (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/)


Title: Re: Urban Ninja
Post by: inewham on September 15, 2010, 06:06 AM
plans are available online....sooooo....??


plan available doesn't means it can be copy ....


If you look at the linked page on KPB it contains a clear link to the designer's page where Steven Horvath has published the plans and made them freely available for non commercial use.

So the plan is free and the copy on KPB is attributed

Once again you appear to be trying to stir up trouble where there is none to stir  >:(


Title: Re: Urban Ninja
Post by: DWayne on September 15, 2010, 06:24 AM
plans are available online....sooooo....??

[url]http://www.kitebuilder.com/wiki/pmwiki.php/KitePlans/00035[/url] ([url]http://www.kitebuilder.com/wiki/pmwiki.php/KitePlans/00035[/url])


plan available doesn't means it can be copy ....

BTW this is what i learn from kite organization, whatever their friend did is right and 100% legal ... copy kite only apply to those not in their group ... this really ego and really love their selfishness + brainless ...

creative commons RIGHT :
[url]http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/[/url] ([url]http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/[/url])


Are you a drug abuser or just really stupid?

Denny


Title: Re: Urban Ninja
Post by: inewham on September 15, 2010, 06:29 AM
BTW this is what i learn from kite organization, whatever their friend did is right and 100% legal ... copy kite only apply to those not in their group ... this really ego and really love their selfishness + brainless ...

A surprising statement in this context but nonetheless interesting. Can we infer from this that you are someone who has been accused of copying?



Title: Re: Urban Ninja
Post by: skabt on September 15, 2010, 11:37 AM
plans are available online....sooooo....??


plan available doesn't means it can be copy ....


If you look at the linked page on KPB it contains a clear link to the designer's page where Steven Horvath has published the plans and made them freely available for non commercial use.

So the plan is free and the copy on KPB is attributed

Once again you appear to be trying to stir up trouble where there is none to stir  >:(

you are right ...
Even a single cent trade is consider commercial ....



Guy you know what really make my day, even the kite maker is admit his mistake and apologize to the designer but the community just back it up blindly cause he is a friend (ask the designer or kite maker to confirm it or you need the contact number of the firm ? ), try to ask the kite maker said it in PUBLIC, he didn't steal it ......
this really make me laugh ....

tired with idiotic organization, IP, Copy right ? what a real shame of blind support ....


Title: Re: Urban Ninja
Post by: Lex B on September 15, 2010, 11:38 AM
I take it, the person who made this kite, did so, to help out a fried with two left hands [sorry ezme6]
So let's all chear aloud "Hurray"!!!!!!! and have a drink on friendship.
Believe the "legal discussion" is already going on in an other thread.


Title: Re: Urban Ninja
Post by: skabt on September 15, 2010, 12:30 PM
I take it, the person who made this kite, did so, to help out a fried with two left hands [sorry ezme6]
So let's all chear aloud "Hurray"!!!!!!! and have a drink on friendship.
Believe the "legal discussion" is already going on in an other thread.

thanks .....
i'm not against kite maker or buyer, just i found most of senior kite flyer behavior/attitude is double standard, they can blindly support or against something without knowing the fact ....

And i do feel shame on kite maker, he create all havoc and disappear without apologize and aware all buyer  ....


Title: Re: Urban Ninja
Post by: mikenchico on September 15, 2010, 01:37 PM
ez hasn't said who he got the kite from or whether money changed hands. Any use of copyrights and creative commons licensing for a "Manufactured product" is not really defined if even relevant since they are intended for protection of art, music, literature etc.

If ez did "Contract" somebody to build him an Urban Ninja for his own use that falls into that undefined area. Money changed hands but as reimbursement for the materials and a sum for labor, not for the kite itself, although the end result was ez receiving a kite.

The creatve commons license does not restrict you from paying a copy shop to make copies of available literature to share with others. It does not impede you from paying your Internet service provider to store and transmit copies a CC licensed photograph. As long as whatever is covered by the CC license is properly attributed to the licensor.

So ez that little tag on the bottom of that kite acknowleges the design by Horvath and has the URL to his website containing the Creative Commons License statement, and you visited the URL yourself http://www.horvath.ch/ninja/the_urban_ninja.html (http://www.horvath.ch/ninja/the_urban_ninja.html) and clicked on that "Donate to support the project" button at the bottom ... right ez?

There all better now  ;)



Title: Re: Urban Ninja
Post by: ezme6 on September 15, 2010, 03:51 PM
ez hasn't said who he got the kite from or whether money changed hands. Any use of copyrights and creative commons licensing for a "Manufactured product" is not really defined if even relevant since they are intended for protection of art, music, literature etc.

If ez did "Contract" somebody to build him an Urban Ninja for his own use that falls into that undefined area. Money changed hands but as reimbursement for the materials and a sum for labor, not for the kite itself, although the end result was ez receiving a kite.

The creatve commons license does not restrict you from paying a copy shop to make copies of available literature to share with others. It does not impede you from paying your Internet service provider to store and transmit copies a CC licensed photograph. As long as whatever is covered by the CC license is properly attributed to the licensor.

So ez that little tag on the bottom of that kite acknowleges the design by Horvath and has the URL to his website containing the Creative Commons License statement, and you visited the URL yourself [url]http://www.horvath.ch/ninja/the_urban_ninja.html[/url] ([url]http://www.horvath.ch/ninja/the_urban_ninja.html[/url]) and clicked on that "Donate to support the project" button at the bottom ... right ez?

There all better now  ;)




all is legal beagle, donations were provided BEFORE it was started.


Title: Re: Urban Ninja
Post by: mikenchico on September 15, 2010, 04:51 PM
See that's what I'm takin' about  :)

I had one deal with ez and found him to be a more then generous member and had no doubt he had any intent to bend a designers request.

That is one sweet looking Urban Ninja by the way, had a chance to give it a spin yet?



Title: Re: Urban Ninja
Post by: DWayne on September 15, 2010, 05:21 PM
i'm not against kite maker or buyer, just i found most of senior kite flyer behavior/attitude is double standard, they can blindly support or against something without knowing the fact ....

You mean the way you blindly jumped in here without knowing a single fact?

Denny


Title: Re: Urban Ninja
Post by: ezme6 on September 15, 2010, 06:35 PM
See that's what I'm takin' about  :)

I had one deal with ez and found him to be a more then generous member and had no doubt he had any intent to bend a designers request.

That is one sweet looking Urban Ninja by the way, had a chance to give it a spin yet?



It seems to be on the slow boat, but I am not worried the "Virgin" UN is being guarded by a black Vampire Devil !

Hmmm....might make a good fairy tale..."The Virgin and the Vampire Devil"  :D


Title: Re: Urban Ninja
Post by: skabt on September 15, 2010, 07:49 PM
hahhahahha..
it just show how ego u guy is, LOOK AND READ carefully creative common license and condition, single cent trade still consider as TRADE, the best is KITE maker admit but buyer don't ....

cover, support, excuses don't change the fact,
FACT :
Kite maker confess of his mistake and agree on this copy kites.
he purchase a copy kites.

but story here is totally different, he pay for fees, i'm blindly support, there is gray area, bla bla and plenty of excuses other then admit he bought and fly copy kite cause he is SENIOR member and good friend or he trade with you .....

Pass result is not future proof, why so hard to admit you wrong in kite community ? cause you feel shame when some one question or pointed or adjust your mistake .....

GET YOUR FACT RIGHT : KITE MAKER ADMIT, so doesn't matter what you guy said or try to cover up, it won't change THE FACT.


Title: Re: Urban Ninja
Post by: DD on September 15, 2010, 08:36 PM
hahhahahha..
it just show how ego u guy is, LOOK AND READ carefully creative common license and condition, single cent trade still consider as TRADE, the best is KITE maker admit but buyer don't ....

cover, support, excuses don't change the fact,
FACT :
Kite maker confess of his mistake and agree on this copy kites.
he purchase a copy kites.

but story here is totally different, he pay for fees, i'm blindly support, there is gray area, bla bla and plenty of excuses other then admit he bought and fly copy kite cause he is SENIOR member and good friend or he trade with you .....

Pass result is not future proof, why so hard to admit you wrong in kite community ? cause you feel shame when some one question or pointed or adjust your mistake .....

GET YOUR FACT RIGHT : KITE MAKER ADMIT, so doesn't matter what you guy said or try to cover up, it won't change THE FACT.



What are you trying to say? I appologize if offend you, but try to do it in better english, your point is getting lost in translation
 Horvath's site has all the plans to build this kite and a place to donate for it's use. I also read the creative commons it reads; you must attribute the copyright holder(which was done), not for commercial use(you can't build it and sell it) and it also says you can't alter or build on this work but clearly says otherwise on the website. It also says "Waiver Any of the above conditions can be waived if you get permission from the copyright holder. "  How do you know that he didn't talk to the copyright holder about a waiver?
How do you know that the kite isnt coming directly from switzerland, where they do sell it commercially?



Title: Re: Urban Ninja
Post by: DWayne on September 15, 2010, 08:55 PM
hahhahahha..
it just show how ego u guy is, LOOK AND READ carefully creative common license and condition, single cent trade still consider as TRADE, the best is KITE maker admit but buyer don't ....

cover, support, excuses don't change the fact,
FACT :
Kite maker confess of his mistake and agree on this copy kites.
he purchase a copy kites.

but story here is totally different, he pay for fees, i'm blindly support, there is gray area, bla bla and plenty of excuses other then admit he bought and fly copy kite cause he is SENIOR member and good friend or he trade with you .....

Pass result is not future proof, why so hard to admit you wrong in kite community ? cause you feel shame when some one question or pointed or adjust your mistake .....

GET YOUR FACT RIGHT : KITE MAKER ADMIT, so doesn't matter what you guy said or try to cover up, it won't change THE FACT.



What are you trying to say? I appologize if offend you, but try to do it in better english, your point is getting lost in translation
 Horvath's site has all the plans to build this kite and a place to donate for it's use. I also read the creative commons it reads; you must attribute the copyright holder(which was done), not for commercial use(you can't build it and sell it) and it also says you can't alter or build on this work but clearly says otherwise on the website. It also says "Waiver Any of the above conditions can be waived if you get permission from the copyright holder. "  How do you know that he didn't talk to the copyright holder about a waiver?
How do you know that the kite isnt coming directly from switzerland, where they do sell it commercially?



You're wasting your breath. This guy has the mental agility of a small grapefruit.

Denny


Title: Re: Urban Ninja
Post by: Kantaxel on September 16, 2010, 12:04 AM
Sorry, but it is a proven fact that the larger the grapefruit, the less gray matter it contains................I think this size grapefruit could be capable of a new Ripley's believe it or not record.........any thoughts, John?

Jim


Title: Re: Urban Ninja
Post by: chilese on September 16, 2010, 12:58 AM
My head hurts.

You guys go fly a kite.

This thread has reached its conclusion, sadly.

Il Duce