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Title: New Flyer
Post by: durangodriftkid on September 10, 2010, 11:10 AM
Well first Id like to say Hello from Durango Colorado.  Ive been into r/c for about three years now rotary/fixed aircraft and lately cars and crawlers.  I work for a LHS and got in a few kites to have on the shelves.  Needless to say once I got my hands on a Skydog Kites Freebird and felt the wind i was HOOKED!  That was about a week ago, after many nosedives into terrafirma, 3 broken spars(new ones in the mail!) countless youtube videos and tutorials, and waiting for wind which is stubborn around here I know ill be doing this forever! 

Does anyone have pics of their bridle set ups?  Im not sure what mine should look like or what exactly to adjust when i make a "bridle adjustment".  Ive broken all my rods so the last time i tried to fly with my repaired ones it wasnt pretty :'(   I have new ones on the way But nonetheless i tried to make some adjustments and am not sure how it SHOULD look.  Anyone got any pointers?

I looked at a few forums and decided to join here based on the activity and input i was reading.
Look forward to being part of the community and learning new tricks with my Kite!!   

durangodriftkid


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: chilese on September 10, 2010, 12:40 PM
There are 2 pictures of a stock Freebird on my Picasa website. Click on the photo below to go to the website. Then click on the magnifying glass to look at the bridle. I hope that helps.

Looks like it is a "static" bridle with a middle 3rd leading edge bridle leg to limit leading edge bending when the wind picks up.

Welcome to the Forum.

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_3waCPW86CRA/S2tCXTGWv8I/AAAAAAAAP3o/635z_TnHxWU/s800/3019254%20Freebird%20Rainbow%20Sky%20Dog.jpg) (http://picasaweb.google.com/chilesej/2009Kites#5434510343383990210)


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: Allen Carter on September 10, 2010, 02:26 PM
That's a fairly new kite, so if someone around here doesn't have one to measure, get in touch with Skydog. I'm sure they can get you the info.

Welcome to our little world!!!

Allen


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: UPNET on September 10, 2010, 02:37 PM
OMG.....another one....."HOOKED". Run...man....run....Inland flyer...in Durango...no less.....save yourself before it's too late!!!!!      ;)


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: durangodriftkid on September 10, 2010, 03:31 PM
Is that why Im not reading much info about these kites?  I thought maybe they were thought of as inferior Lol
Thanks for the replys guys.  anyone have close up shots of the area where all the lines come together in the bridle?


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: DWayne on September 10, 2010, 04:35 PM
Click on the "Sky Dog" link on the right side of this page and they will give you all the info you need.  ;)

Denny


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: chilese on September 10, 2010, 04:42 PM
The Skydog kites are considered "less expensive" as they are produced in quantity by another company for Skydog.

The quality is fairly good for kites at these price points. But they are not at the quality level, nor do they fly and trick as well, as the higher end kites made by what we like to call "boutique" kite shops like Blue Moon, Benson or Jest of Eve to name just a few.

As far as close-ups of the bridle tow point area.... that will be surprising to see due to the fact that the kite is so new and smaller than most of the pilots here prefer to fly.

The middle leg bridle leg should be removable first as it really doesn't come into play until winds pick up. That leg should be just slightly loose when the other 3 are all taut at the same time. If you haven't messed with the other side, you should be able to measure the good side. Barring that, you may be able to measure or look at another bridle where you got yours.

Here is a collection of bridle information I gathered from various other websites.
If you click on the photo, you will be taken to a larger version which you can download and keep on your computer. Good luck.
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_3waCPW86CRA/S2jSK2z5E2I/AAAAAAAAMvY/glkao8MAZZA/s800/Bridle%20Essentials%20updated.jpg) (http://picasaweb.google.com/chilesej/20022001Kites#5433824034376192866)


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: durangodriftkid on September 10, 2010, 08:18 PM
Awesome!  Great info there chilese thank you.  Im going to get out to the pasture when the winds good tommorow morning and see what i can come up with.  I feel like it might be pointless tho since im not sure if my repairs to the poles prevent enough flex.  I wrapped the cracked area with string and applied epoxied, but it hasnt actually flown since then (that could be mine AND the winds fault tho)


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: RobB on September 11, 2010, 01:30 AM
Hey DDK...
I love that corner of Colorado ! Purgatory was a favorite stop of mine when I'd visit. It sounds like you're going to need a light wind kite to go along with your standard. Wait until you ask that question... There are a few other users on the forum from other parts of CO. They may understand your unique wind conditions the best.
Good luck with your new addiction !
~Rob.


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: durangodriftkid on September 11, 2010, 05:27 AM
We have pretty descent wind here its just a little blustery and not like a smooth off-shore breeze.   Im sure Ill have a "bag" like the rest of you guys, so ill always have something that will fly!  Its great living in such an amazing place that it stays with people their whole lives in memories!  Ive lived here in durango for2 years now after leaving the hustle and bustle of PHX life....now im kind of wanting to live by the beach! Thanks for the replies guys Ill see if i can get a pic of my setup today when i try to fly,  so maybe someone can say....yeah it looks good go fly or.....nope not gonna work.  ::)


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: durangodriftkid on September 14, 2010, 05:35 AM
Well I happened to go into a local outdoor store yesterday and low and behold....they have Prism Kites!  I couldnt believe it.  Almost walked out with a Nexus or one of those small foils for 60$ but decided id better wait and do some saving and research.  Also have a feeling that i might be giving my business to a vendor here instead, its not like they had parts in stock so thats not a big issue. 


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: durangodriftkid on September 14, 2010, 08:21 AM
Hate double or uhh triple posting but..... ::)
Not too happy with the repair job and havent really had a chance to seriously try to fly since ive been securing employment this week.
(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx234/toofasttooloud/durango%20drift/2010-09-13_16-21-41.jpg)
Does the line/larkspur knot furthest to the left in this pic stay kind of loose and free on the line?  above the knot that the other is securely  cinched around?
(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx234/toofasttooloud/durango%20drift/2010-09-13_16-22-54.jpg)
Which line do you "adjust" when making "bridal adj"  You guys are all probably laughin at me but im trying to learn!!!  8)
(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx234/toofasttooloud/durango%20drift/2010-09-13_16-23-59.jpg)


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: mikenchico on September 14, 2010, 12:25 PM
OK that center outhaul has to have the larkshead placed above the bottom knot, 3rd picture, the other side of the knot your middle finger is next to. That line may not be tight under no or light loads as John C's pictures confirm.

Your adjustment is going to be along the line that runs from the center T (where the bottom spreaders are connected in the center) to the upper outhaul (connected at the upper spreader to leading edge connector). Look at that line real close, is there any indication of a factory marking? That would be your starting point. You'll loosen that larkshead and tighten by pulling either the top or bottom line to tighten.

Comparing your picture to the ones John C posted it looks like on Johns the bridle is actually connected to the spine above the center T, that is not really common practice and yours is connected the more common way so the lines come over the center T. But if it really goes above that would change the way the kite flies. Maybe somebody can confirm that location or maybe John & Kent put their lines under the T rather then over as a personal preference, doing so wouldn't alter the flight as much as if the line was in the wrong place on the spine.

It's not the way I would build that bridle myself but let's get you flying before you start tying complete new bridles.  ;)



Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: durangodriftkid on September 14, 2010, 12:37 PM
LOL yeah lets get this thing up in the air!  Well im going to study your post and take a look.   Thanks for the reply Im sure ill have a few more questions.  Winds up a bit maybe ill go see whats up


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: durangodriftkid on September 14, 2010, 02:00 PM
well......she flew fine.  Pulled off my first landing at the edge of the window!!!   super phsyked about that one, tons of spins succesfully,  an axel/540 lookin thing, and lots of lawn darts..which lead to a broke LE doh!! Guess ill try to ghetto rig that one too
Im thinking maybe i should pick up one of those prism snapshots they have downtown since they have no frame.


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: mikenchico on September 14, 2010, 09:52 PM
 :-[  Things get better.  ;)



Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: durangodriftkid on September 15, 2010, 08:13 AM
:-[  Things get better.  ;)


Thanks for the words of encouragement.  Im not one to give up easily and when things get tough and challenging...I get more obsessed!  lol  Im heading out to the shop right now to try and fix up my LLE  ;D  Have you flown a snapshot mike?  Are they a worthy addition to the arsenal?   Im leaning towards the 1.2 or 1.4 as they are reasonably priced and seem to be quick and fun.  Im not really looking to be pulled all over the field, I just want to be able to practice keeping things in the air without the fear of breaking something.  Plus the Ol' lady wants to learn and shes rather dainty.  The more videos i watch the more i want to ride downtown and drop the cash!


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: DD on September 15, 2010, 08:40 AM
The snapshots are good foils, more percise in turning then the older models. I would tend to go for the 1.4 over the 1.2 or even the 1.9, they seem to have a lower wind range and although they do have some pull they arent that bad in moderate winds. If your at the beach a handful of sand to hold them down until you get the lines out and are ready to take off. If you are inland i use a 3 foot length of heavy rope. Either way the idea is to let it roll off the sail as you pull it up and it inflates.


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: durangodriftkid on September 15, 2010, 08:49 AM
The snapshots are good foils, more percise in turning then the older models. I would tend to go for the 1.4 over the 1.2 or even the 1.9, they seem to have a lower wind range and although they do have some pull they arent that bad in moderate winds. If your at the beach a handful of sand to hold them down until you get the lines out and are ready to take off. If you are inland i use a 3 foot length of heavy rope. Either way the idea is to let it roll off the sail as you pull it up and it inflates.
Good tips Ill remember that.  I think im gonna grab a 1.4 and go have some fun with it!


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: mikenchico on September 15, 2010, 09:01 AM
They are a good foil, but as DD pointed out launching foils without a helper is challenging which makes them not the best for learning. I have a few myself for those days when you just want to lean back on some lines and "Swoosh". They are limited in what they can do to turns and straight lines. The one I demo'd the lines were way off so check the lengths before you fly, maybe a good idea to check your current set, uneven lines are prevelant and the biggest cause for frustration with new fliers. Framed kites have the widest range of capabilities but foils are fun especially when the wind is higher, and could help while you're getting your muscle memory trained to know which hand to pull or push to get the turn you want from every flight position during your early stage.


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: durangodriftkid on September 15, 2010, 09:23 AM
Im pretty used to having to run back and forth for setup lol  I fly alone mostly


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: durangodriftkid on September 15, 2010, 10:55 AM
Didnt break my LE!  Just had the little sleeve connector come loose...a little 5 min epoxy and im ready to go flyin!!!


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: Gamelord on September 15, 2010, 01:30 PM
If your set on a foil, save yourself some money and time and just get the 3.1 Tensor.  After purchasing a 1.4 or 1.9, you will be back looking for something bigger and end up getting the 3.1 anyways. :) :) :)  Careful, the pull can be very addictive.


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: durangodriftkid on September 15, 2010, 02:19 PM
Yeah you may be right.  Its just a 60$ pricetag and a 200$ tag.......If i get this job i just interviewed for then i might have to "splurge" with my first paycheck!   :P
Just went out to fly and........Pulled my first fade and a few other tricks!!!!!


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: LekeYuk on September 15, 2010, 07:12 PM
@durango I have a snapshot 1.4 and I really like it. I flew it exclusively for about a year before I ventured into any of the delta stunts. I think it worked really well for giving me a feel for the lines and the wind window and which direction the wind is blowing and when to pull hard versus soft. Since making the transition to a delta I feel like i have much more control of that kite than i would have a year ago and I also know how to keep it from lawn darting (till falls out the sky just much more slowly). I have also flown the 1.9 but I just found the pull to be a little too much for my tastes. It wasn't overly hard but I guess I am used to the more laid back pull of the 1.4. The other thing I would say is the kite is extremely durable I spent at least 5 months mostly dragging it from one end of the park to the other trying to get it off the ground and being too lazy to do the walk of shame. It has not a single rip or snag or tear in the sail. and I can pretty much get it flipped over and up from almost any position on the ground. The last thing I would say is that now I use it to bring a friend and get them flying without having to worry they will break a spar.


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: durangodriftkid on September 16, 2010, 07:23 AM
Well I have some side work today and will probably be picking up a 1.4 afterwards.  Just seems like a good buy and like LekeYuk pointed out, It will make a great "trainer" to have in the bag  :)
Thaks for all the replies and advice guys!


Title: Re: New Flyer - Others in CO
Post by: jeepersjoey on September 17, 2010, 05:12 AM
There is a small group of us North of Denver that I can vouch for.  We meet at Sandstone Park which is in Longmont.

As for kites, I recommend you get ahold of a large light wind kite.  Something that can handle 1-5 mph.  I recommend a full or 3/4 size kite rather than the little 4D.

If you ever want to scoot over this way let me know.

I have an email group that I send emails to each weekend saying what time I will be out (Usually Sunday).  Send me a private message if you want to be part of that group.

Paul


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: durangodriftkid on September 17, 2010, 06:42 PM
Well I picked up a Snapshot 1.4 today!  Gonna pre flght it in the morning and be at the spot when I think the winds gonna be up.  Thanks for all the input guys.  Maybe Ill be able to get a little video this weekend, Ill post it here if i do.  Happy flying this weekend everyone  :)


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: durangodriftkid on September 18, 2010, 08:20 AM
Double post but I have a few questions.
1: How do you cut carbon rods? 
2: What kind of sewing machine does everyone use for making their own kites?


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: DD on September 18, 2010, 08:31 AM
I use tape to mark the end and reduce splintering. I use a fine tooth hacksaw but have also used dremels with a cutting disc. It might also help to roll the tube around and put a cut in before cutting all the way. Obviously don't breathe the dust and watch out for splinters. Measure twice, cut once. After cutting i use an emery board to clean up the edges



Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: durangodriftkid on September 19, 2010, 06:09 PM
Took the snapshot and my skydog out to the field yesterday with a buddy.  Took the first few pulls on the new foil and was pleased with its tendencys, Then I handed the lines over to my buddy and went to set up my other kite.  He had no problem figuring it out and within seconds i could see the biggest smile EVER!  Today he called me up and had me meet him downtown, we walked to the spot and he picked up a Quantum.  We went out to fly and had a blast!  I was really impressed with how the quantum flew in light winds and he was pulling off tricks really fast!  While we were there this lady came out to the field with her 2 young daughters, one of the girls was carrying a large sled type kite that she said they found at the thrift store(nice find)! lol  I could hear them oohing and awing at the kites we were flying so I asked them if they wanted to try....all three had succesful flights and were making turns :)  Prism Kites are top notch and Im really enjoying the oppurtunity to share them with my friends and others!

DurangodriftKid


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: justinpwheeler on September 20, 2010, 05:56 AM
Glad you're having fun.  I had a guy come up to me the other day and ask if mine will just fly without having to move the lines so that I can sit down and relax.  I explained to him that this particular one wouldn't but pointed him in the direction of the local store for a nice SLK.  Most of the time my beach is pretty sparsely populated, so not too many people bother me.  No dogs allowed on the beaches here in NW Florida either, so that's nice.

How's the trick learning coming?  The ambidextrous part is tough for me.


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: durangodriftkid on September 20, 2010, 06:07 AM
Glad you're having fun.  I had a guy come up to me the other day and ask if mine will just fly without having to move the lines so that I can sit down and relax.  I explained to him that this particular one wouldn't but pointed him in the direction of the local store for a nice SLK.  Most of the time my beach is pretty sparsely populated, so not too many people bother me.  No dogs allowed on the beaches here in NW Florida either, so that's nice.

How's the trick learning coming?  The ambidextrous part is tough for me.
The only tricks ive really been getting down are Fades and some spin recoverys out of said fades lol Everytime i go out tho i feel more and more comfortable with the lines and knowing how the kites going to react.  Im really waiting for a solid 10-15 mph day when i can play with the wind.  Ive been really working on just judging the winds direction and finding good places to fly.  Havin a BLAST!!!


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: justinpwheeler on September 20, 2010, 06:20 AM
At least you are getting the fades.  Not sure what I am doing wrong but just can't get it to stay in the fade.  Sometimes it doesn't roll towards me from the flare but most of the time it hits the lines and pops right back into flying.  Tending the flare must be a very learned art.  On the plus side, lazy susans and 1/2 axles are coming nicely.  I will try axle to fade next time but I am sure that I am just being too hard on the lines.


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: lylenc on September 20, 2010, 06:40 AM
For the transition from flare to fade, try pulling either a little sooner or a little later than you have been doing. Some kites like nose below horizontal rather than flaring all the way horizontal for start of the trasition. Also start the pull before the kite stalls in the flare. If you are stalled in a flare give a little slack to let the nose rise a bit and pull for the fade against that up momentum.

Stop the pull motion a little sooner so it won't hit the lines as hard in the fade and bounce out of the fade. You need just enough rotation speed to get the nose past pointing towards the ground and rotating up.

Use the lines like a shock absorber to start catching the nose a little before horizontal in the fade and add tension until the rotation stops a little nose high in the fade. It's kind of like catching an egg or water ballon so they won't break.


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: justinpwheeler on September 20, 2010, 11:23 AM
Will keep trying with that thought.  Thanks.


Title: Re: New Flyer
Post by: jaydub on September 20, 2010, 12:11 PM
Pull less hard and step towards the kite as it comes towards you. This will let the kite come round more slowly under its own momentum and make the fade easier to catch