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Title: Line weight
Post by: Will Sturdy on September 23, 2010, 11:05 AM
So I was reading the topic on repairing lines and was wondering at people who use 50lb line.

What weights do you fly on? Why?

I fly on 90# 113' line about 97.43% of the time.

I don't use 50lb. Two primary reasons for this:
-I'm super nervous about breaking them if there's any wind - I can't afford to keep replacing line sets.
-nonexistent to extremely light wind flying is much more about technique than about the kite or lines. So since I'm more tuned to how the kite flies with the 90# lines, I can actually fly lower with the 90s since I'm lazy and don't like spending huge amounts of time practicing in wind I can't feel. Same reason I always fly on my 113' set, even when it would seem like shorter might be better in swirly conditions.

I do occasionally use my 130# set, but only for very high wind situations (like 20+) or for heavy wind team flying. Yes it does slow the kite down some, but like 50# lines it changes how the kite flies. Since I never fly in high winds except at competitions, I need as much familiarity with the kite as I can get. Isn't inland flying wonderful?

So what are y'all's thoughts?


Title: Re: Line weight
Post by: adx1592 on September 23, 2010, 11:41 AM
PDSUL in nothing-3mph I use 50 lbs. Broken a few of them but I had a long set that i broke down anyways.
Indoors? 50lb.

I've flown a UL in light winds on them but I dont like it much.

Usually I'm on 100lb or 150lb. 100 ft for fun, 125 for team, pairs, and comp.


Title: Re: Line weight
Post by: DD on September 23, 2010, 01:09 PM
I use 50# in very light winds. I havent had any breakage issues. I did try 30# line with a 3d many moons ago and found that i was heavy handed enough to make those break
i typically fly on 90# 100' or 75' lines. I do think that some of the 90# line has gotten thinner and lighter over the years


Title: Re: Line weight
Post by: fidelio on September 23, 2010, 02:10 PM
50# line in my experience is so light and thin it snags on everything the moment you have any slack, no thanks.


Title: Re: Line weight
Post by: Allen Carter on September 23, 2010, 02:30 PM
Aside from being fragile, 50# also doesn't wrap well. binds up quick.

I use it in zero wind only because that's what my short sets are made of.

I really like Berry Blue 75#. It's lighter than 90# but stronger and sliperier than 50.

I used it for years until I wore out my last set and started using 90#. I flew everthing on 90 for like a year untill I got more 75. I really don't think 90 is a problem in low wind. I use 150# for big kites and/or high wind.


Title: Re: Line weight
Post by: tpatter on September 23, 2010, 04:12 PM
I fly my 4D and Tattoo SUL on 50#, flying both under 3-4mph.

Higher than that, 90# 85'-100' up to 15mph or so.

Above 15mph, 90# 100' or 120'.  I don't find I need anything greater than 90# line.


I do like 50# for kites like the 4D and also for flying indoor kites outside in low wind - I couldn't imagine using 90# for those, too much drag on the kite.  The Tattoo is big enough I can fly either 50# or 90#, but still like 50# better in 1-2 mph.


Title: Re: Line weight
Post by: DWayne on September 23, 2010, 04:21 PM
I fly 90# X 125' most of the time. If the wind gets real light I'll switch to a shorter line set but never to 50#. I've got 150# and 300# sets too but they're just to slow the kite down when the wind picks up.

Denny


Title: Re: Line weight
Post by: sealcove on September 23, 2010, 04:28 PM
I go back and forth between 50 and 100 depending on the kite and conditions.  I have never broken a line.



Title: Re: Line weight
Post by: asburyparkjohn on September 23, 2010, 06:01 PM
HMMM ... 75# test line ... will inquire with my custom line maker next time.


Title: Re: Line weight
Post by: Allen Carter on September 23, 2010, 08:24 PM
Steve might still have some


Title: Re: Line weight
Post by: JimB on September 23, 2010, 09:04 PM
If you are talking the Berry Blue 75lb Line, either the Shanti or LPG 90lb is lighter and thinner as well as having less stretch.

A high quality 50lb line can be useful with modern ULs at the very bottom of the wind range.

Yes, it is more likely to tangle; Yes, it is more likely to break; But it does make a significant difference, in my experience, when the wind is very light.

The caveat is that it needs to be high quality line. Some 50lb line is fatter and stretchier than some 90lb line.


Title: Re: Line weight
Post by: chilese on September 23, 2010, 09:07 PM
I have a 50#/100' lineset which is at least 6 years old, no sleeving. I've had to retie the loops a few times when they failed. Just make the loops extra long to begin with.

You have got to love the way that line sings when the wind picks up a little. The better it sounds, however, the closer it is to breaking. It's like Russian Roulette.  :)


Title: Re: Line weight
Post by: tpatter on September 23, 2010, 10:38 PM
You have got to love the way that line sings when the wind picks up a little. The better it sounds, however, the closer it is to breaking. It's like Russian Roulette.  :)

A roaring kite with screaming lines is music to my ears!  :)



Title: Re: Line weight
Post by: tcope on September 23, 2010, 10:57 PM
I fly almost exclusively on 60lbs lines. One reason is that a 125' roll costs next to nothing (I think $3). I've flown on sets that are probably 3-4 years old and don't recall them ever breaking. I fly in up to 7mph winds and usually in winds 5-7mph.

Would I fly comp with them? Not a chance! Too much at risk. But I don't think people realize just how strong 60lbs line really is.

When the wind is 10-15mph I'll switch to 90lbs and almost never fly 150lbs. If it comes to that, I'll change my kite to something more appropriate.