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Title: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Decoy on October 03, 2010, 06:07 AM
Hello everyone,

Hello everyone, I am new to the sport of kiting; as in I am in the “raw and bleeding” learning phase. I hereby place myself at your mercy. I have flown the classic one line kite for years; my baby is my 7 footer. However recently while flying my SLK I realized that I really wanted to do more with kiting, which led me to youtube, which led me here. I am now on the hunt for my very first sport kite and of course I need help…lots of it. I have combed through kite site after kite site only to realize that I don’t know jack about buying a kite. I would like something that I could just fly and not get fancy with it but I would also like something trickable, is that the correct word? I also live in Kentucky...

 I live in Kentucky were our weather is wonky; one day we will get no wind and the next it’s a mini tornado. At the moment cost is of no consequence- I simply want something that will take a beating (crash, crash, crash), be able to fly with medium wind and something that I will be able to “grow” with. Simply I am looking for a near super kite (I ask for miracles). I am more than willing to buy used, but if I need to I am also more than willing to buy new. Any suggestions?   


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: DWayne on October 03, 2010, 06:45 AM
Welcome to the sport.
Good luck with your quest.  ;)

Denny


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: kiteking on October 03, 2010, 08:15 AM
Welcome to the addiction (http://www.kiteking.t35.com/inventory.html)


Here are a few recommendations for a first dual line they are designed for ease of flying
and durability for learning

(http://www.chicokites.com/store/images/uploads/thumbs/thumb_beetle06.jpg) (http://www.chicokites.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=26)Beetle

(http://www.chicokites.com/store/images/uploads/thumbs/thumb_nex.jpg)  (http://www.chicokites.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=28)Nexus

(http://www.chicokites.com/store/images/uploads/thumbs/thumb_rockon.jpg) (http://www.chicokites.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=25)Rock On

The other advice is to see if thier are other fliers in your area to get together with, 15 minutes with an experienced pilot is worth hours of learning on your own


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Decoy on October 03, 2010, 09:40 AM
I have spent all morning cursing the lack of wind as well as researching BlueMoon Kites. I have decided to go for one of them, be it as it may. I am undecided on the Mantis, Mamba, or the Mongoose. Any suggestions on the kites?


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Victrinia Ridgeway on October 03, 2010, 09:58 AM
Buy yourself a Nexus... (one of my first kites)... even if you only use it for a few weeks... it'll take the edge off the abuse you will inflict on a BMK. It's a great solid flier that will take you through the paces in short order. You will outgrow it... but it's a good flier for your opening salvo into sport kites. Then you'll also have something to let others fly when they see you trickin' on your BMK...

Hubby and I just got a Mantis yesterday off of Bill... and let me tell you, I would not want to play lawn darts with that beauty. We're new enough that less than graceful landings still can happen... but the worst of the learning curve was taken out on a jazz and Nexus... the Jazz was actually not a great opening kite either as it is lightening fast with that small sail.

If you want to get a BMK now... that's cool... but it would be like deciding you want a custom harly and you don't have any idea how to ride a bicycle. It can be done... but there are inherent risks with seriously damaging what will/should be a top kite kite in your bag.

Good luck...

Victrinia



Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Bob D on October 04, 2010, 07:21 AM
Yeah, I agree. Get something that will take your lawn darts well before you get a Blue Moon. I tried the Rock On and didn't like it. It's too small and I thought the build was kind of cheap. Prism makes nice starter kites though. If you have something in mind, post for it in the "Wanted" section.


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: mikenchico on October 04, 2010, 07:55 AM
... I would like something that I could just fly and not get fancy with it but I would also like something trickable ...


I have spent all morning cursing the lack of wind as well as researching BlueMoon Kites. I have decided to go for one of them, be it as it may. I am undecided on the Mantis, Mamba, or the Mongoose. Any suggestions on the kites?

For pure grace when just flying around get the Mamba, plus it'll take you pretty deep into tricks when you're ready, in fact Ken just made some changes that take even deeper into the trick catagory. Spend some time on the colorizer, it has a panel layout that allows you to come up with 1000 different designs, so make it your own, it'll bring a smile to your face everytime you fly it.



Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Decoy on October 04, 2010, 02:20 PM
I called up Ken today after buying a Nexus off of Ebay (From a kite store, I’m a quick learner!) and he suggested going with whatever one appealed to me visibly; which is the Mamba. However, I am a horrible decision maker and it so I drew names from a hat…sooooo…I believe at this point that I will be buying a Mongoose from Ken. Though I really prefer the look of the Mamba…darn it!! Something calls me to the Mongoose, and heck I can always pick up the Mamba as a “Christmas Gift” for my father who I have spread the addiction too; I can see it now “Hey dad let me burrow the Mamba for a bit!” (He thinks he will be content flying my bit baby SLK but I can’t wait until I hand over the Mongoose, after a period of “crash testing” with the Nexus of course.) This is all incredibly exciting! Though the color choices may be my doom; I have spent hours clicking in color options and still no light bulb moment. I am really going for a Rainbow Mongoose, but as of this moment undecided. Am I in the clear to post screen shots of color ideas?

Mikenchico: Just when I think I am decided you haul me back in to the realm of indecision. Mamba V. Mongoose Mamba V. Mongoose Mamba or Mongoose Mamba Mongoose Mamba Mongoose…


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Victrinia Ridgeway on October 04, 2010, 03:22 PM
Everything I have heard about Mamba from my hubby tells me it is a VERY elegant flyer.

Seeing the Mantis in the hands of an experianced pilot (Bill) is also a wonder. I don't think you should sweat it too much... because frankly... it you think Mamba... you should go Mamba... you can't go wrong either way... but you'll definitely end up buying one - one way or another, in the end. lol

We are in 12 kites deep already. And only a few are the less expensive - tough variety. Also going to a kite festival swap tent is a GREAT way to get good kites. We spent $230 on three kites which would have likely cost me over $800 new.

Glad you got yourself a Nexus... you won't be sorry. ;)

Kindest regards,

Victrinia



Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: adx1592 on October 04, 2010, 04:51 PM
O buddy, you can't go wrong with a mongoose. You wont be sorry. :)
Welcome to kiting!


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: GEB on October 04, 2010, 05:34 PM
I have bought and sold a variety of kites, but I have never sold a Blue Moon.

+1 on the "you can't go wrong" - with any Blue Moon kite.

Welcome to the dual line kite community.


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Decoy on October 04, 2010, 07:15 PM
Going with a Mongoose!  :)

I need help deciding on color placement.

1
(http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/EthaWay/Mongoose7.png)

2
(http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/EthaWay/mongoose6.png)

3
(http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/EthaWay/mongoose5.png)

4
(http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/EthaWay/Mongoose4.png)



Vote in?



Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: DD on October 04, 2010, 07:59 PM
3 first for me then 1. The colorizer will suck many hours away :'(
I also have found he colors vary some when backlite.

Welcome to the forum!


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Ang3lFir3 on October 04, 2010, 08:24 PM
#1 then #2..... but i like simple....


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: GEB on October 04, 2010, 08:27 PM
I’m partial to # 3.

But be verwee verwee careful.

The colorizer has driven many a mortal looney tunes.


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Victrinia Ridgeway on October 04, 2010, 08:30 PM
Ahhh but this was my suggestion to her favorite color pallate....

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j192/theladysabine/Kiting/Decoy_Kite.jpg)


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: tpatter on October 04, 2010, 08:47 PM
3, 1, 2, 4


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Victrinia Ridgeway on October 04, 2010, 08:59 PM
awwwwww you didn't like mine??  ::)

Now I'm hurt.... jk

V


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Victrinia Ridgeway on October 04, 2010, 10:04 PM
Here's my "Goose" design for a future kite I'd like to have done... :)

V

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Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Decoy on October 05, 2010, 05:32 AM
V yours is epic. I am swinging between it and # 3...the colors! The colors!!!


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Victrinia Ridgeway on October 05, 2010, 07:58 AM
Girl... you are welcome to hijack mine if you'd like.  ;) But yes... your number 3 is also tight.

I know how decisive you are... so please make sure you give yourself enough time to think about it and DON'T be hasty...  8)

V


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Decoy on October 05, 2010, 11:14 AM
I dreamed of Kites. I am quite spooked about that.  :o lol  :D


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Shane on October 05, 2010, 12:41 PM
I dreamed of Kites. I am quite spooked about that.  :o lol  :D

That happens to me all the time...  ;) Although, that could be because I finally ordered my JoE Talon and am sooooo excited to get it...  ;D

You really can't go wrong with any of the BMK kites though. That's what I had decided on and was ready to purchase. I just spent too much time online reading reviews and watching youtube and all that jazz... I know that I would have been happy with the BMK... (I was leading towards the exile) there was just something about the way that the Talons fly that drew me in..

One thing to keep in mind though... Is that you will probably end up buying the whole BMK line so I wouldn't worry too much about which one you get first... But I do agree with everyone else. It's probably a good thing that you got the Nexus first because lawn darts are certainly in your near future.  ;D I waited until I could control the kite and land it before I went and spent almost $400 on a kite..  ???

Anyway, I'm sure you'll love whatever you get and keep us posted on what you decide.


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Decoy on October 05, 2010, 06:35 PM
Anyone here fancy rainbow? I am still lamenting over color...


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: st3307 on October 05, 2010, 07:24 PM
Hey  Decoy        get  what  your  eye  likes     if  you   have  some one else  pick  your  colors   in the  long  run  you may hate the  kite  then  you will have  a  300  dollar  kited  in your  bag  you  just  hate  cause  you  don't   like what  it looks  like     just  my  2 cent   worth  welcome  to   kiting  and   our  madness     

(http://inlinethumb17.webshots.com/31952/2424977960103732401S600x600Q85.jpg)

  now  in  IMHO   this  is  a  pretty  Mongooose    OOOOO wait  it  mine  lol   ;D


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Victrinia Ridgeway on October 05, 2010, 07:36 PM
Anyone here fancy rainbow? I am still lamenting over color...

I fancy rainbows... but I was working that over on the colorizer and couldn't come up with a good way to lay it out... did you?

V


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Steve on October 05, 2010, 07:50 PM
Oh the humanity!


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Decoy on October 05, 2010, 08:29 PM
No I could not come up with a GOOD way to play off a rainbow with the Mongoose sail. However I did take a hint and came up with a few great ideas, if I do say so myself. I am quite happy with nearly all of them. I just made it harder, and right after my breakup with the Blue + yellow. Oh humanity...

Here they are, sorry it is massive I kept adding more:
(http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/EthaWay/MongooseColors-1.jpg)


Anyone stick out as a "Holy Cow, dat dar kite gots some gooooood colorin'!" kite? I am taking it all in.


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Victrinia Ridgeway on October 05, 2010, 08:48 PM
Oh the humanity!

Forgive us Steve for we have sinned.....  :-[


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Victrinia Ridgeway on October 05, 2010, 08:54 PM
There are a disgusting number of good choices in there... you are SOOOOOO screwed.

(  :D :D :D I know the feeling - it's sort of like being in a REALLY big Coach store and being paralyzed by the choices - [which is just a poke at the hubby who thinks I am way too into handbags]... which I am not....  8))

V


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: mikenchico on October 06, 2010, 03:45 AM
#17 then #5, I usually lean toward asymmetrical myself but I just haven't seen it on the Mongoose panel layout, #14 is the best asymmetrical design I've seen. #6 & #15 are still in a dead heat for 3rd choice although #15 was the first one to catch my eye.

I'd do #17 as your standard and hold #5 or #15 for your UL while you work out where to put a splash of purple to tie them together  ;D   ;)

(This opinion is relevant tonight only, in the morning it always looks different)


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Decoy on October 06, 2010, 10:04 AM
Well the Nexus came today! I love it, and the locals think it is hysterical. "Its up, its up...haha no its not" Well I took it out to fly today and my first flight was a record 3.5 seconds. Though after a while I could get it to stay up for a bit and I managed to land it a few times. Turns are still out of my range. :) This is going to be so much fun, however as a mute point HOLY HELL THAT THING IS FAST! Zip Zip crash!

As for color I am pounding my head against the wall...


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: kenmcneill on October 06, 2010, 10:42 AM
I agree with Mike, #17 is very nice.

Ken
(http://www.bluemoonkites.com/forum/images/smilies/bbcool.gif)


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: DWayne on October 06, 2010, 10:55 AM
FWIW, #10 or #13 would be my choice.

Denny


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: DD on October 06, 2010, 01:58 PM
I like 13, but then its hard to argue with Ken. Is that yellow or gold?
we tried to warn you that the colorizer would be painful  :D


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: chilese on October 06, 2010, 02:16 PM
13 also for me  :)


Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: mikenchico on October 06, 2010, 02:50 PM
*Decoy* if you haven't yet check the balance on those lines, a couple of the last Prism sets I've checked have been off enough to make flying difficult. Stick a screwdriver through the loops and unwind the lines, then check that they are even. If you can anchor the loops to something more solid then do so and lean back on the lines with 50 lbs or so pressure, on & off for awhile then check the balance. Re-tie as neccesary. Uneven lines make even the best kite hard to control.



Title: Re: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Victrinia Ridgeway on October 06, 2010, 04:44 PM
I'm so proud. I feel like I just sent my child to kindergarten... lol 

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Title: Re: Newbie to Kiting
Post by: Scott Blake on October 06, 2010, 09:15 PM
Hi Decoy,

I am with you, new to kiting and trying to pick a first 'real' kite.  Like you though, I got a beater; mine being a Micron - trust me, if you want to see zip zip crash you should have seen some of my first 'flights' with that thing!  The advice here is quite good though and has me thinking I might get something like a Nexus or even a Quantum (its only a bottle of wine more being my justification) and I can just leave it at the cottage or something.  I don't think though I will have the lawn dart problem now though so will have to think about whether it just makes more sense to pay up the extra 100 bucks and get the end product; my hunch being an Ocius atm.

Anyhoo, out of your color dilemma, 11 was really close to one I laid out (I like bright colors) but your 17 is very nice as well.  I kinda think having your tips being distinct from the rest of the kite might help make them a bit more visible to you for timing tricks (uh, speaking from next to no experience hehe, my only trick is an axel!).

Good luck with you choice!