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Title: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: Michel on October 24, 2010, 01:51 PM
Hi all,

Which lines do you prefer ?

- Laser Pro Gold
- Shanti Speed lines
- Others ?

and why ?

Thanks in advance for your votes.  ;)


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: Jared on October 24, 2010, 01:58 PM
I've been having a good time with Shanti Skybond (http://shanti.richoid.com/?page_id=17) lately.  Similar to LPG (in my novice opinion) but can handle a much higher number of twists before it starts to squeak and bind.


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: DWayne on October 24, 2010, 02:00 PM
I prefer Shanti.

Denny


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: Will Sturdy on October 24, 2010, 02:10 PM
Shanti speed, although I'm itching to give some skybond a good testing


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: rxburner on October 24, 2010, 03:06 PM
Shanti is good line, the difference is not that great, but I fly LPG, I think it holds up longer.
Rx


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: adx1592 on October 24, 2010, 03:19 PM
I like blue line.
It's all I've ever flown. Everything else just seems so strange. Call me one that doesn't like change  ;). But hey if ya find something that works for ya, go for it.


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: KaoS on October 24, 2010, 03:31 PM
Climax Protech - seems to "fur up" a lot less than other lines when used on harsh sandy beaches


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: Hadge on October 24, 2010, 03:36 PM
+1 for Climax Pro, great lines, last for ages and will take loads of twists without binding up.  Also the winder has 6mm & 8mm nock removers built in along with a line equalizer.

(http://www.kitesandmore.co.uk/contents/media/winder%20sml.jpg)


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: Jeepster on October 24, 2010, 09:12 PM
Generally, the brand of line you prefer depends on what you fly. 

Non-coated Shanti line is more slippery than LPG with its coating.  If you fly dual lines, then you probably love Shanti line.  If you fly Revs by yourself, then once again Shanti might come out on top.  But, the absence of the coating on Shanti line allows the braid to open up like Chinese handcuffs under certain loading conditions.  If you fly Revs in a group, that characteristic will push you away from Shanti.  The coating on LPG line keeps the braid tight which prevents crossed lines from locking up ... it seems to be the preferred choice for most Rev teams.

The one Shanti line set I have seems collect dirt within the braid much easier and has become fuzzy much quicker than my LPG line sets.

Again, YMMV.

Cheers,
Tom


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: inewham on October 25, 2010, 12:25 AM
+1 for Climax


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: WinterDaze on October 25, 2010, 02:46 AM
+1 Climax

Personally I just love the feel of em. I find, compared to others, that they seem to have more predictable 'drop away' (is that even a thing??) with off hand stuff...  so, YMMV applies.

I'm getting a year out of them as my '99% of the time' set. So no complaints on wear either.

After 6 months I got around to equalizing them and found my strong hand out by about 3-4cms, fixed using the winder and haven't needed to do it since, still nice and even with wrists locked..

Just picked up 2 new sets locally, can't wait to load them up, fresh line.... mmmmm....  8)


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: Michel on October 25, 2010, 04:38 AM
Thanks for your votes my friends.

The best Dual and Quad lines are Laser Pro Gold, Shanti Speedlines and Climax Profiline... OK

But they are no more for sale on the GWTW website ? Why ?  ::)

I'm looking for a 120' x 90 lbs Shanti Speedlines set. Where is it possible to buy one (by PM please) ?

Regards.


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: fidelio on October 25, 2010, 08:58 AM
as a dual line flyer, having flown es55, LPG, Shanti Speed Line, and Shanti Skybond, for me it's Skybond all the way. low creep, good wear, and huge amount of wraps. while very strong line for the diameter, the coating on LPG is sticky and inhibits many wraps and also picks up a good amount of dirt. the Shanti Skybond yellow coating isn't sticky at all, quite the opposite, it's very slick.

not had the opportunity to fly climax yet though have always heard good things.


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: rncembal on October 25, 2010, 09:02 AM
Must be a "new" Skybond the original was kevlar inside a sleeve.
dating myself
Rob


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: thief on October 25, 2010, 09:08 AM
dating myself

as long as you buy yourself a drink first then all is good ;)

i thought the same thing!  it also sounds like the NEW skybond is also yellow.....


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: cids on October 25, 2010, 09:17 AM
Is there a place that I can get Shanti Skybond in bulk ?


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: DWayne on October 25, 2010, 01:04 PM
Is there a place I can get Climax Protec in bulk?

Denny


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: cids on October 25, 2010, 01:35 PM
Is there a place I can get Climax Protec in bulk?

Denny

PM me...I can send you a link.


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: KaoS on October 25, 2010, 03:46 PM
Is there a place I can get Climax Protec in bulk?

Denny

Yes, easy to find with your search engine.  It's in the UK and customer service is excellent


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: WinterDaze on October 25, 2010, 07:25 PM
Is there a place I can get Climax Protec in bulk?

Denny

:D

I was thinking the same thing...



Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: Gamelord on October 26, 2010, 11:15 AM
Skybond line is brand new from Shanti.  Years ago Shanti did make another type of line and it was also called Skybond - which did use Kevlar.  The new Skybond is not the same line as the older Skybond from years ago.

I have been using the Skybond line for almost a year now and was able to test some of the first prototypes of this line.  It is absolutely awesome and with almost a years worth of use the line is still as slick as it was the first day.

The line comes in some different weights, starting at 100#.  There is not a 90# but the 100# is not only stronger than the standard 90# line, but is also thinner in diameter.  The 175# is the same when compared to normal 150# spectra, thinner in diameter while obviously being stronger.

When talking with Daniel from Shanti, he was excited saying "This new line is some of the most advanced stuff to ever be created for the kite flying market" and "I don't remember the last time I was this excited".  If you haven't had the chance to fly the new Skybond, do yourself a favor and give it a try.  I have seen several die-hard LPG users discard their LPG line in favor of the Skybond.  I is a huge noticeable difference when flying.

I am sure that Steve here at GWTW either has some available or will be able to get you some very easily.


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: tpatter on October 26, 2010, 12:14 PM
LPG man, but I am very intrigued by Skybond - I will have to track some down.

I've tried other lines, but LPG has the least amount of "stretch feel" to me.  In smooth wind, the kite should have a rather constant and consistent pull on the lines.  If it feels like it is bouncing around or does not feel consistent, then the line is stretching too much.   

I do wish it were more slippery, however - sometimes the binding sounds like an old iron gate!  :)


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: DD on October 26, 2010, 06:58 PM
my "pusher" got me hooked on shanti, i would be intrigued to try some skybond. I'm not a fan of the lpg i have tried


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: tpatter on October 26, 2010, 07:08 PM
Do LPG lines 'free' up with use or should I look at moving back to Shanti, what are your thoughts?

They do free up. After a bit, I don't notice them being much less slippery than other lines, but initially they are extra stiff and do bind.


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: Allen Carter on October 26, 2010, 08:25 PM
From the Shanti site:

"Is Skybond better than Speed line? No.  This is the classic oranges vs. apples question.  Speed line has a “soft-finish.” It is more slippery, has less stretch and wears 3 to 5 times longer than other high-performance lines.  It’s still our favorite.  But for flyers who like coated lines, our new Skybond is as revolutionary as the original was, 31 years ago.  Skybond is made in USA and is available in all the same options as Speed line."

I like 90# Speed line a lot.

The description of Skybond doesn't really give me an idea of how it might be better than Speed. Just different I guess.




Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: DonCrash on October 26, 2010, 08:47 PM
If I had to take a "stab in the dark" at it; my 'guess' would be that the coating would allow the line to last a bit longer on certain conditions. My shanti lines slipperiness went down drastically as dirt minerals started building up in between the braiding from beach sand and loose dirt from the lawn. Cleaning them on soapy water definitely helps however, but there's still a bit in there.

I'd definitely would like to try it out.


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: DWayne on October 26, 2010, 09:46 PM
The Shanti pitch;
"Shanti Skybond line is the latest in innovation for the kite line market.   Developed exclusively for kite flying, this 100% Spectra modulus line sets a new standard that all other lines will be measured up to.   Skybond line is a High-Modulus Polyethylene line that has been Polymer-Bonded and pre stretched for zero stretch or creep while delivering the ultimate in slickness.

Skybond line comes in a high visibility yellow color, making it easier to see in the air and when laying out on the ground.   Skybond's unique weave provides the pilot with a direct connection with your kite, allowing you faster responses, sharper corners and a better overall feel of what your kite is doing while performing the latest in elaborate slack line tricks.

Shanti is the original inventor of Spectra kite line and has been producing the highest quality kite line for over 20 years!   Shanti's unique braiding process allows for a line that has minimal creep or stretch while providing maximum strength.

Shanti Skybond line is proudly made 100% in the U.S.A.

Skybond line comes in several strenghts and is available in pre-made linesets or in bulk spools."
And it costs less than Speed line.

Denny


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: ae on October 27, 2010, 01:10 AM
And out of the left field,

I prefere PowerPro Hollow Ace for standard lines, 40-160lbs, bonus, it can be spliced
Berkely Whiplash for the times the line has to be as light and thin as possible, 20-40lbs, that stuff is thinner then my sewing thread.
And Liros DC when i need a line that keeps on holding under high load and is thin, 120+ lbs, it also can be spliced, also good for bridles.

I tried the climax profiline and don't like it much, for me it has to much stretch. It actually feels a bit rubbery
Cylone pro, to thick for the load.
LGP, to thick and not smooth enough,
Shanti Speed, nice line, but can't be spliced, which for me is a negativ.


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: DWayne on October 28, 2010, 07:28 AM
And it costs less than Speed line.
Upon further investigation, Warp Speed line sets are about 10% more than Sky Bond line sets. In 1000' spools Warp Speed is about 20% less than Sky Bond. I'm sure this makes sense to someone though the logic escapes me.

Denny


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: Michel on October 28, 2010, 08:07 AM


And it costs less than Speed line.
Upon further investigation, Warp Speed line sets are about 10% more than Sky Bond line sets. In 1000' spools Warp Speed is about 20% less than Sky Bond. I'm sure this makes sense to someone though the logic escapes me.

:D

If you don't have a very big Team and don't need 1000 feet spools Shanti lines  :D, you can buy 300 inches spools in Europe and Shanti lines/meter.  :) 


Title: Re: Laser Pro Gold or Shanti Speed Lines ?
Post by: DonCrash on October 31, 2010, 08:32 PM
Tom at Berkeley actually had 1 dual line set of Shanti Skybond, 100# x 85'.
I was just flying my dirty warp speed right before that with cringy sounds upon 6 twists.

It's pretty hard to compare at first because they are new lines, and I would need a new set of 90# warp speed to compare. But, in the beginning of my 30 min run with them, I had completely forgotten that I even had any twists on the line. It wasn't a ton of twists either, but for the twists there was, it sure didnt feel like it. I had a bit more feedback upon the lines, not a huge difference, but to me, little things matter, definitely felt a bit more responsive as well. But like I said, they are new lines so only time will really tell.

I was also told that a quad liner, who also bought a set a while back, he loves them but his main lines supposedly creeped 1 inch. Not sure if there was really anything wrong with the lines or if there really was a creep. He switched them with his brake lines afterwards, but will be giving it a bit more time before evaluating it. But so far, so good during the past few sessions.

The gophers have been busy during the rainy days at Berkeley marina, soil mound everywhere. And the dirty sands of San Francisco Ocean Beach along with a wet marina green from the fog will definitely help test these lines against external wear. Oh, the duck poop at the shoreline would help too.