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Title: New Tech Kites Paper Airplane Kite
Post by: thief on October 29, 2010, 05:39 AM
I took one of these guys out for a spin this morning....and was VERY surprised!
(http://www.newtechkites.com/product_images/y/193/55749_PaperAirplane__77628_zoom.jpg)
Image swiped from NTK website

Designed by Robert Brasington for NT this is a good sized delta kite that is elongated with a 5/6 length keel (forms the bottom of the airplane)....Assembled it is 6' tall and over 5' wide.

It took a bit of coaxing to get it into the air for the first 10-15' (that keel adds a bit of weight to it that wiggles around when launching) but once it got up there it is solid.....there was a couple of gusts/lulls that caused the kite to dance a bit but nothing too drastic, then it would settle right back out again...
It flies at a pretty high angle and can pull like a tank!   This bugger could have easily lifted about 4-5 5' windsocks with ease!
There is no need for a tail -but you can probably put on one there - the trailing edge of the kite billows up nicely and with the long keel it does not wander too much at all....

The version i have is a pre-production Post-it-note version...I think i need to write a note on it to make it look more so.
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_tbYkV1FmtY4/TMsxS41wyKI/AAAAAAAAS5w/A0yTKRV7kTI/s400/DSCF3719.JPG)

Overall Robert and NT came out with a good fun kite out of this!

NTK link http://www.newtechkites.com/products.php?product=Paper-Airplane (http://www.newtechkites.com/products.php?product=Paper-Airplane)
I am certain you can get Steve to order one if you ask nicely.
Looks to retail under 30$ or so

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_tbYkV1FmtY4/TMsxSpeaGrI/AAAAAAAAS5s/yqr5f_2M5u8/s400/DSCF3710.JPG)


Title: Re: New Tech Kites Paper Airplane Kite
Post by: mikenchico on October 29, 2010, 06:41 AM
Looking forward to a real picture, but I'm guessing yours is just yellow? That was the kite that really piqued my interest when the catalog came out, thanks for the review. The price is definately right for a nice size, fun kite.



Title: Re: New Tech Kites Paper Airplane Kite
Post by: rncembal on October 29, 2010, 07:44 AM
I'm really looking forward to us being able to get these out there. One of the challenges wroking with a designer from Tasmania and a factory in China is that details can get changed. The frame on the first run were fiberglass and Robert spec Carbon . The carbon will expand the wind range, improve the appearance in flight and unfortuntely raise the price. I'm still waiting on the new cost from the factory but I'm confident that for the size and performance it will still be an attactive purchase. Patience my friends.
 Rob


Title: Re: New Tech Kites Paper Airplane Kite
Post by: thief on November 30, 2010, 02:56 PM
you can now get them from Steve!
http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=4431.new#new (http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=4431.new#new)


Title: Re: New Tech Kites Paper Airplane Kite
Post by: JimB on November 30, 2010, 07:47 PM
Oh good.

I want one of these. :)


Title: Re: New Tech Kites Paper Airplane Kite
Post by: skyguy48 on December 25, 2010, 04:57 PM
I got one of these as a Christmas present. So naturally, even though it was about 25 degrees today, I took it for a test fly. I can vouch for the unexpected amound of pull. I agree it should handle some laundry.... if you can get it to fly.

Wind speed was around 8-10mph. It launched easily right out of my hand, but then flew wildly left and right. My first thought was ok, it's an "active kite", but the travel got worse and worse until it crashed. (Softly cause I ran toward it). 
I let out about 75 - 80 feet of line hoping some altitude would help. It didn't seem to make any difference. I managed to get it fly for a couple of minutes, but then it just wanted to lawn dart.
There is just a single tow point for this kite, so no bridle adjustment seems possible.

Pretty sure it was assembled right, what else could I be doing wrong.
In other words, how can I get this thing to fly?
It sounds like there are others out there that have had a great experience.
Any thoughts?
TIA
Bill


Title: Re: New Tech Kites Paper Airplane Kite
Post by: Ccentino on December 25, 2010, 10:54 PM
put a tail...preferably made out of folder paper. laminate it too!


Title: Re: New Tech Kites Paper Airplane Kite
Post by: tonycarl60 on December 26, 2010, 12:09 AM
Mine flew great, real steady even in gusty winds. See here: Paper Airplane Kite (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApK8-4OORIQ#)
 Maybe the tow point is too high on yours, factory goof? Make a pigtail and attach to bridle with prussic knot so you can move the tow point down and see what happens :)


Title: Re: New Tech Kites Paper Airplane Kite
Post by: skyguy48 on December 27, 2010, 04:04 AM
 "Maybe the tow point is too high on yours, factory goof? Make a pigtail and attach to bridle with prussic knot so you can move the tow point down and see what happens"  

Not sure I understand what you mean by this.
The factory tow point is tied to a rod in the keel, and is encased in a sleeve. There seems to be no way to adjust or raise or lower it.
Are you thinking to add a new tow point requiring the sleeve to be pierced for a new pigtail?

Would like to avoid a tail if possible, but will add one if needed. Maybe make one that looks like a pencil.  :D

 


Title: Re: New Tech Kites Paper Airplane Kite
Post by: rncembal on December 27, 2010, 08:09 AM
First I would check that all rods are fully in place.  Check fit inside. 26 degrees may have made the LE connectors  stiff and the spreader was not fully seated which would make the kite to tight across the back. We add wind ranges but not temp or humidity ranges both of which will have an effect.
IF you are still not happy sent it to us at NTK and we will send a replacement.
 Rob


Title: Re: New Tech Kites Paper Airplane Kite
Post by: skyguy48 on December 27, 2010, 09:53 AM
First I would check that all rods are fully in place.  Check fit inside. 26 degrees may have made the LE connectors  stiff and the spreader was not fully seated which would make the kite to tight across the back. We add wind ranges but not temp or humidity ranges both of which will have an effect.
IF you are still not happy sent it to us at NTK and we will send a replacement.
 Rob

Sounds good,
I'm going to do a thorough check on the next flight. What you describe also crossed my mind. (DUH!)
That will probably straighten things out, but if not, I'll let you know.
The first part of this week does'nt look good weather wise, but hope to get a chance late in the week.
Will report back to let you know my previous screw up.  ::) :D


Title: Re: New Tech Kites Paper Airplane Kite
Post by: kiteguy on December 31, 2010, 11:33 PM
Got mine for a Christmas present.  Weather finally cooperated enough, I thought, that I was able to go out Wednesday, Dec. 29.  Did a powerful power dive.  the main spar punched out the rear pocket.

Stupid to try it, the winds were just to wild.   :-[   >:(

On the bright side, now I can put on a stronger pocket!   ;D


Title: Re: New Tech Kites Paper Airplane Kite
Post by: tonycarl60 on January 02, 2011, 02:54 PM
Spreader over spine is correct. Kite looks bent because leading edge spars don't go all the way to the nose which seems to be typical for delta kites with a keel which this kite is a variation of. Maybe someone can explain why this is so :)


Title: Re: New Tech Kites Paper Airplane Kite
Post by: rncembal on January 03, 2011, 08:08 AM
The spars do not go all the way up because that would create to stiff and flat a surface so the kite would slide and oscillate more. When you look at this kite in flight you will see a bow from tip to tail as well as channels in each side surface.
. If you have a six foot delta with out limited sleeves test it out with full edge spars  and see how it flys.
Rob


Title: Re: New Tech Kites Paper Airplane Kite
Post by: cerfvoliste on January 07, 2011, 08:19 PM
Loving it.....

(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/1762/jan2011fff.jpg)

CV


Title: Re: New Tech Kites Paper Airplane Kite
Post by: ozonejim on January 08, 2011, 10:40 AM
(http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/47626/2463716120052863303S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2463716120052863303TSzlZn)


Title: Re: New Tech Kites Paper Airplane Kite
Post by: kiteguy on January 09, 2011, 08:22 PM
I am frustrated with mine.  It jumps around the sky, throwing in a suicide dive every once in a while.  Maybe the winds are just to much.  10-15 with gusts to 25 mph.  Unfortunately, that is common around here.

I put on 25 ft of fuzzy tail.  That helped a little.  Put on an extra two strand ribbon tail 10 ft long.  Helped not a lot.  Made the kite heavier, and it does not want to fly as high.

I think I will try to put on a two leg bridle and see it that helps.  (Provided we get a weather break around here.)



Title: Re: New Tech Kites Paper Airplane Kite
Post by: KaoS on November 22, 2011, 03:25 PM
I got one of these as a Christmas present. So naturally, even though it was about 25 degrees today, I took it for a test fly. I can vouch for the unexpected amound of pull. I agree it should handle some laundry.... if you can get it to fly.

Wind speed was around 8-10mph. It launched easily right out of my hand, but then flew wildly left and right. My first thought was ok, it's an "active kite", but the travel got worse and worse until it crashed. (Softly cause I ran toward it). 
I let out about 75 - 80 feet of line hoping some altitude would help. It didn't seem to make any difference. I managed to get it fly for a couple of minutes, but then it just wanted to lawn dart.
There is just a single tow point for this kite, so no bridle adjustment seems possible.

Pretty sure it was assembled right, what else could I be doing wrong.
In other words, how can I get this thing to fly?
It sounds like there are others out there that have had a great experience.
Any thoughts?
TIA
Bill



I finally got around to asking Rob about this design last weekend.  He uses the same platform for his new deltas

(http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/49814/2541315680056765227S425x425Q85.jpg)

We flew for 3 days at the Kirra Kite Festival in Queensland and these deltas stayed up all weekend in winds ranging from 5 knots in the morning to 20 knots late afternoon (with sand lifting off the beach and blasting our shins!!)  Not only did they stay up, they flew beautifully - really steady flight under changing conditions.

Turns out the paper airplane kite Rob provided to New Tech had 6mm carbon rods, but the Chinese factory substituted other rods in the initial batch.  So if you have one of the originals in your cupboard because you couldn't get it to fly nicely, check the rods.  If they aren't 6mm carbon a quick reframe will transform this into a REALLY nice kite, just as satisfying as other Brasington designs


Title: Re: New Tech Kites Paper Airplane Kite
Post by: Ca Ike on November 22, 2011, 03:42 PM

Turns out the paper airplane kite Rob provided to New Tech had 6mm carbon rods, but the Chinese factory substituted other rods in the initial batch.  So if you have one of the originals in your cupboard because you couldn't get it to fly nicely, check the rods.  If they aren't 6mm carbon a quick reframe will transform this into a REALLY nice kite, just as satisfying as other Brasington designs
  Typical NTK quality control.  IF its suposed to be 6mm NTK should provide the correct replacement as per the design specs.  I have yet to get a kite from NTK that doesn't have issues right out of the bag.  I'm still trying to get my Moonlight star flying right after finding the bridle in a heap at the bottom of the bag.


Title: Re: New Tech Kites Paper Airplane Kite
Post by: cerfvoliste on November 22, 2011, 08:10 PM
my trailing edge ripped to shreads on a high wind day.... it is a fair wind kite... (still love it).