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Title: up grade some old kites
Post by: flyjay77 on November 28, 2010, 08:58 PM
I am getting ready to upgrade some old kites this wenter and looking for some info from people . I am reframing a Firedart , Team Kite , Renagade , and a stack of 9 Hyperkites . Going to use Graphite rods in all , I am looking for fedback on Size of rods to buy and or any tips or MODS for these old school kites .

Jason,


Title: Re: up grade some old kites
Post by: chilese on November 28, 2010, 09:46 PM
Part of the charm of old kites is keeping them stock.

While you will shave some weight and increase both the bottom and top end of the kites' wind range, you will spend a lot of money doing it.

If the kites are broken and need new rods, I can understand upgrading the entire frame set.

You might consider keeping them as is and take the saved money to purchase something new all over.

Just a thought.  :)

Good luck with your winter project.


Title: Re: up grade some old kites
Post by: flyjay77 on November 28, 2010, 10:07 PM
Thank you for the reply . THe Hyperkites Wood frames are worped from being damp I guess someplace and time . The Renagade I have is a sail only and need some bones in it . I have 3 stock Renagades and wanted to do something diffrent with the 4th . as for the fire dart I have 2 , one has all new upgrades in it ,and I picked up a stock one and I just dont like the way it flys , the tips flutter a lot ? . The Team Kite ,,, well its a Mess . its all new and I have tried everything to get the thing to fly rite and I just am having no luck as I have posted and I am running out of ideas on that one . , other than that I am pleased with the way all the others in the bag fly , wouldnt touch the Spin-offs . Never realy have messed with Frames though , this part is new to me , dont know what sizes go with what kites , I plan on going with 2540 on the team. but what do I use on something like the Hyperkites? dont want to over or under do it .

Jason,


Title: Re: up grade some old kites
Post by: mikenchico on November 28, 2010, 10:43 PM
I would look at the Pultruded Carbon (http://www.chicokites.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=121) for the Hyper Kites too. Measure what you'll need, since they are available in lengths of 32.5", 40". 48" & 60" you should be able to find a way to make the best use of all the material. Pure guess but I think anything in the .1800 - .1960 range would be suitable to replace the wood dowels depending on the winds you plan to fly them in.

Anybody know how to contact Randy Tom? you could ask him what he might recommend, his design. Check your PM's



Title: Re: up grade some old kites
Post by: flyjay77 on November 29, 2010, 09:34 PM
I got an E-mail back from Mr. Hyperkites himself today and he said to go with .2200-.2300 for a good all round wind range . I think I am going to go with .2300 for the Renagade and Fire Dart . and .2540 for the Team Kite . what do you all think ?

Jason,


Title: Re: up grade some old kites
Post by: zippy8 on December 01, 2010, 05:08 PM
Part of the charm of old kites is keeping them stock.
But another part of their charm is making them do things that they were never meant to in their day.

The Fire Dart originally came not only with fibreglass spars but sans standoffs. Whilst I'd like to hear an argument that this The Way It Was Intended who, beyond the most determined RetroGrouch™, is really going to want to spend time flying a kite like this ? My Fire Dart had 6mm carbon (.2300"~-2400") from new so that suggestion sounds about right.

Nostalgia isn't what it used to be  ;)

Mike.


Title: Re: up grade some old kites
Post by: flyjay77 on December 02, 2010, 12:37 AM
Never could afford the Fire Dart as a kid , so this last year I found myself buying two of them . I had a 3/4 fire dart someone made in the bay area in the late 80's and liked how it flew . The first one I baught had .2300 Carbon frame and the spreader bars was shorter than stock bringing the leading edges in closer making the sail deeper , this also made for lonfer stand offs. Fire Dart 2 was stock out of the box with fiberglass frame and a much flater sail with little stand offs . Number 1 will out fly the other one by far, I plan on changing the frame out with .2300 cut to stock keeping the sail flat and see how it flys . Has anyone done or have heard of people doing this ???