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Title: Be Careful when you buy a new TV
Post by: Dano on January 28, 2011, 08:22 PM
10 years ago...
new 32" CRT
a few days later-need a new receiver w\ surround sound
a few days later-need a dvd player to replace vcr
a few days later-crap, need a new receiver that has Dolby 5.1 and s-video
a few days later-need better speakers and a powered sub.

last week...
I bought a new big flat screen
a few days later- I need a larger TV console
a few days later-I need a new a/v receiver that has HDMI connections
a few days later-I need a Blu-Ray to really experience HD
a few days later- i need to upgrade DISH to HD w\ a DVR
 ::)  :'( :'(

I got a good deal on the TV though.  :D


Title: Re: Be Careful when you buy a new TV
Post by: tpatter on January 28, 2011, 08:32 PM
A timely subject!

I bought a Samsung HD TV for Xmas last year - I have traditionally gone with Sony, but I needed a new TV and the Samsung just looked alot better to me image-quality-wise.

It's been a great tv until tonight - 13 months later (1 month out of warranty) and it has a red blinking light near the power button and will not turn on.  I called Samsung, tried their recommendations, and now I am down to likely having to replace it since it is out of warranty.

The TV that is replaced was an 16 year old Sony that worked perfectly.  I gave it away - for all I know it is still working.  They just don't make 'em like they used to!  :)





Title: Re: Be Careful when you buy a new TV
Post by: mikenchico on January 28, 2011, 09:56 PM
... It's been a great tv until tonight - 13 months later (1 month out of warranty) ...

Dang good engineering there, actually my first TV 40 years ago did the exact same thing, so it's not a new problem. Sure makes you wish you had spent the money on the extended warranty though, but overall those  are a waste of money since most solid state electronics go out quickly or run 5 years or more trouble free barring a power surge or excessive heat.

I've had good luck with my Sony, I finally bought it since whenever I was dreaming of a new TV I would stand back and zero in on the best picture, when I would go for a close look it was always a Sony, but today with the LCD's and LED's that hasn't always held true.

Good marketing how they can upgrade technology a bit on one component and thus convince you that you NEED to buy 3-4 more components to get the most out of your new purchase.




Title: Re: Be Careful when you buy a new TV
Post by: alleykat on January 29, 2011, 06:16 AM
A timely subject!

I bought a Samsung HD TV for Xmas last year - I have traditionally gone with Sony, but I needed a new TV and the Samsung just looked alot better to me image-quality-wise.

It's been a great tv until tonight - 13 months later (1 month out of warranty) and it has a red blinking light near the power button and will not turn on.  I called Samsung, tried their recommendations, and now I am down to likely having to replace it since it is out of warranty.

The TV that is replaced was an 16 year old Sony that worked perfectly.  I gave it away - for all I know it is still working.  They just don't make 'em like they used to!  :)





I had one given to me that did not work. It took about 20 minutes and 4 caps from Radio Shack to fix it. Cost me about 10 bucks and 20 miuntes of my time to replace them. Of course a shop wanted about 150 to fix it. Google makes life easier  :D


Title: Re: Be Careful when you buy a new TV
Post by: the*real*stoney on January 29, 2011, 09:02 AM

Have any of you considered the possibility that  those expensive TVs are becoming ill because of the rotten programs? How many really decent programs have you seen during the past year, something that had a plausible story line that showed people who were not hacking up their children, wives, girlfriends, husbands, and/or neighbors? When was the last time you saw a TV  program that had an interesting plot involving characters who were working toward a worthwhile goal? You guys need to do is to stand out in the sunshine, make some new friends, learn something new like a new way to fly kites.

Stoney


Title: Re: Be Careful when you buy a new TV
Post by: Mrhide on January 29, 2011, 09:40 AM
A timely subject!

I bought a Samsung HD TV for Xmas last year -It's been a great tv until tonight - 13 months later (1 month out of warranty) and it has a red blinking light near the power button and will not turn on.  I called Samsung, tried their recommendations, and now I am down to likely having to replace it since it is out of warranty.


Plasma right?

DONT BUY PLASMA!


Title: Re: Be Careful when you buy a new TV
Post by: Lee S on January 29, 2011, 11:04 AM
Let's see here....

I just bought a new kite.

Now, I need new lines.
Now I need the UL version.
Now I need the vented version.
Now I need a new MP3 player.


Sound familiar? Face it Dano, we're all suckers for something.   :D :D  (Includes me)

On the up side, a buddy of mine just went through the same thing with his Samsung. His had a bad power supply. Google is your friend.


Title: Re: Be Careful when you buy a new TV
Post by: KaoS on January 29, 2011, 03:54 PM

It's been a great tv until tonight - 13 months later (1 month out of warranty) and it has a red blinking light near the power button and will not turn on.  I called Samsung, tried their recommendations, and now I am down to likely having to replace it since it is out of warranty.


Check with your consumer affairs department before giving up!!

Obviously consumer laws differ from country to country....  but here in Australia a manufacturer's warranty isn't the only warranty granted under law.  The retailer (I used to be one, I know this law pretty well) has an implicit warranty obligation under consumer law that obliges the retailer to provide warranty for as long as can be reasonably expected that an item functions when used for the purpose it was designed for.

In other words, if you buy a plastic kite and fly it in strong winds, it is reasonable to assume it will last less than one day.  You destroyed it, no warranty.  But if you buy a widescreen TV it is reasonable to assume it will function well for at least 5 years.  So the manufacturer offers a 12 month warranty, they are not obliged to repair or replace your TV after the 12 months.  However, the retailer IS obliged to make reasonable steps to return your TV to working order or replace it.

Most consumers are unaware of this law, and most retailers are quite happy to maintain the customer's ignorance.


Title: Re: Be Careful when you buy a new TV
Post by: tpatter on January 29, 2011, 04:23 PM

It's been a great tv until tonight - 13 months later (1 month out of warranty) and it has a red blinking light near the power button and will not turn on.  I called Samsung, tried their recommendations, and now I am down to likely having to replace it since it is out of warranty.


Check with your consumer affairs department before giving up!!

Obviously consumer laws differ from country to country....  but here in Australia a manufacturer's warranty isn't the only warranty granted under law.  The retailer (I used to be one, I know this law pretty well) has an implicit warranty obligation under consumer law that obliges the retailer to provide warranty for as long as can be reasonably expected that an item functions when used for the purpose it was designed for.

In other words, if you buy a plastic kite and fly it in strong winds, it is reasonable to assume it will last less than one day.  You destroyed it, no warranty.  But if you buy a widescreen TV it is reasonable to assume it will function well for at least 5 years.  So the manufacturer offers a 12 month warranty, they are not obliged to repair or replace your TV after the 12 months.  However, the retailer IS obliged to make reasonable steps to return your TV to working order or replace it.

Most consumers are unaware of this law, and most retailers are quite happy to maintain the customer's ignorance.


I've got a happy update on this. 

I called Samsung back to ask them if there was anything that could be done.  She explained that they do have a "leeway" on the warranty expiration and that Samsung will repair it for me.

I never buy those extended warrantys, but I will definitely think about it the next time I buy a tv.

-Tom



Title: Re: Be Careful when you buy a new TV
Post by: King-J on January 30, 2011, 07:22 PM
10 years ago...
new 32" CRT
a few days later-need a new receiver w\ surround sound
a few days later-need a dvd player to replace vcr
a few days later-crap, need a new receiver that has Dolby 5.1 and s-video
a few days later-need better speakers and a powered sub.

last week...
I bought a new big flat screen
a few days later- I need a larger TV console
a few days later-I need a new a/v receiver that has HDMI connections
a few days later-I need a Blu-Ray to really experience HD
a few days later- i need to upgrade DISH to HD w\ a DVR
 ::)  :'( :'(

I got a good deal on the TV though.  :D


I here you there, I did the same thing Just before Christmas, bought a new 50" plasma, got tired of the antenna (3 Channels) picture going out, got Dish since Direct could not pick up their Satellites up here among the Tall Pines, same thing DVD player out dated picked up Blue-Ray, sound needed updated 5-1 Surround sound, fortunately for me when I remodeled the Kitchen which lead to the living-room I thought ahead and had the hickory built in entertainment center set up for a 50" TV, Then you have all the cables to get(http://bestsmileys.com/money/2.gif) , Is TV entertainment worth the (http://bestsmileys.com/money/5.gif)(http://bestsmileys.com/money/5.gif)(http://bestsmileys.com/money/5.gif)(http://bestsmileys.com/money/5.gif)(http://bestsmileys.com/money/5.gif)(http://bestsmileys.com/money/5.gif)(http://bestsmileys.com/money/5.gif), Do you know I probably could have bought every Kite I ever wanted(http://bestsmileys.com/frustrated/4.gif)


Title: Re: Be Careful when you buy a new TV
Post by: fidelio on January 30, 2011, 10:16 PM
isn't it also true though, you buy a kite:

now you need a light wind kite,
now you need a high wind kite,
now you need a bigger kite bag,
now you need a few kites to fill out your new kite bag,
and so on, and so forth.

:P

could this explain why i have 2.5Tb of external storage for my dvr?


Title: Re: Be Careful when you buy a new TV
Post by: kiteking on January 31, 2011, 12:41 PM
Hey guys, who needs all that fancy stuff,.. my big screen is in Oregon, I am in Tucson watching HULU on a 15.6 laptop with built in speakers


Title: Re: Be Careful when you buy a new TV
Post by: johnfarl on January 31, 2011, 01:00 PM
It is all about redistribution of your wealth.  Who gets it.  The TV guy or the Kite guy.  Both and you can watch your kite vids on  a big TV


Title: Re: Be Careful when you buy a new TV
Post by: Allen Carter on January 31, 2011, 04:48 PM
I dont get it. What I've got now is awesome. There is nothing lacking (surround sound is gimmicky)

I watch a ton of movies and TV shows on DVD, VHS and Netflix (haven't had TV for a decade) on a hand me down 32" CRT (10 years old?) with a plain old DVD player, a plain old VCR and a Roku box. Audio feeds into a '90s vintage Sony receiver and out through some very nice '80s vintage Polk monitors.

The CRT will die soon. I'll be spending the upgrade money on kites. I assume they make flat panels about the same size? I suppose the deal breaker would be the lack of good old fashioned RCA connectors.



Title: Re: Be Careful when you buy a new TV
Post by: Steve Hall on January 31, 2011, 05:33 PM
Amen brother


Title: Re: Be Careful when you buy a new TV
Post by: tpatter on January 31, 2011, 05:46 PM
I once felt the same way until I bought an HD TV last year.  Now, no way I could go back to a CRT.  If you have an HD signal (Netflix, cable), it is much much better. 

It's just a shame that the new technology seems to be so much more disposable.


Title: Re: Be Careful when you buy a new TV
Post by: Allen Carter on January 31, 2011, 05:52 PM
Well, sure, alot of new stuff is "better" but is better nescesary? In this case, for me, it's not.


Title: Re: Be Careful when you buy a new TV
Post by: GEB on January 31, 2011, 08:34 PM
I see and hear myself in some of your comments about being happy with the old equipment. I donít like change just for the sake of change. But I was really tired of TV commercials with a program wedged in between them and the general junk on 150 channels. Not to mention infomercials.  We bought a few new flats screens and went to streaming. I have watched more quality programming in the last month via this method than I had in the last two years on the Dish. I spent little time in front of the tube before. Now I spend even less but see a whole lot more. I watch what I want when I want. I must admit it has not all been roses though. I am not sure what kind of new pill I may need, which type of car I canít live without and by golly my old mop! It just might be leaving some germs on my floors. What am I to do? Could I be saving money with Geico and Progressive? Maybe I should start sending them $75 a month to find out!

TV's - I doubt any TV made today will last the 18+ years my good old Hitachi did. Man I wished I could buy another one of those.


Title: Re: Be Careful when you buy a new TV
Post by: mikenchico on February 01, 2011, 12:19 AM
We've been mostly watching a Hannspree 28" 1080 LCD lately in a small room at about 10' distance which pretty well fills our field of view, I watched the Sony 27" CRT the other night at about 15' and sort of struggled with it, small field and not as sharp. We just use a rooftop antenna for a signal, that gives us 4 of the 5 broadcast networks in High Def and 20 + channels. We can't see spending money to receive a TV signal, as stated above there's nothing on. Even when we are out of town and getting 120+ channels we can't find anything we really want to watch, there are maybe two shows we turn on regularly. We can stream Netflix over the Wii and always have a DVD on the way. Otherwise the TV is just white noise in the background for the most part. We do have surround sound in both rooms though, I like the saturation of sound you get when watching movies. I'll also pull up music video's on YouTube and run them through the big surround sound that's hooked to the Sony CRT in the Living Room, the picture quality is secondary in that case since YouTube HD is below what the Sony can do anyway. Broadcast TV is just listened to through the TV speakers.



Title: Re: Be Careful when you buy a new TV
Post by: fidelio on February 01, 2011, 11:30 AM
a dvr does for tv, what the internet does for computers.