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Title: The kite is ripping out
Post by: TT on February 03, 2011, 10:47 AM
I need help, my Nirvana is starting ripping out from the top, the man who repaires kites, said what sewing longer nose would a bit help, but maybe there is aditional soliution?



Title: Re: The kite is ripping out
Post by: tpatter on February 03, 2011, 11:35 AM
Is this ripping from the outside or the inside?

I usually cover the nose with some gaffers tape - prevents wear cartwheels, etc.


Title: Re: The kite is ripping out
Post by: TT on February 03, 2011, 12:10 PM
it is ripping from icarex sewing line , now it is problem within 4 cm down from nose


Title: Re: The kite is ripping out
Post by: sugarbaker on February 03, 2011, 01:40 PM
if the icarex is just beginning to tear, I would get some Tedlar Repair tape from Steve... it is a thin, clear tape that can be applied to the ripstop to prevent further damage.  I can't tell from your pictures if the damage goes under the nose webbing, but if it does... consider popping the seem of the nose webbing and using Tedlar tape as far as you can, then restitch the nose.

Disclaimer... please do not cut anything on your kite if you are not comfortable sewing it back together. 

If you decide to pop any of the the webbing off, remove spars and use a good seem ripper, and proceed with extreme caution one stitch at a time being sure you aren't also cutting any of the ripstop.  Only rip enough of the seem to do the repair, and when you restitch the nose webbing, overlap the original stitching.  As worn as your nose appears, you may consider a new pieces of webbing, or to reinforce existing webbing with gaffer's tape as noted by Tom. 


Title: Re: The kite is ripping out
Post by: Krijn on February 03, 2011, 02:58 PM
just take a needle and a thread and pull it through the nose several time

and with a good dot of superglue, and another dot



it will take you only ten minutes, but works great


Krijn


Title: Re: The kite is ripping out
Post by: Krijn on February 03, 2011, 03:01 PM
wait, here is a picture from a kite when i sold the thing (nse)

(http://i55.tinypic.com/2elv80m.jpg)


Title: Re: The kite is ripping out
Post by: TT on February 04, 2011, 01:17 AM
just take a needle and a thread and pull it through the nose several time

and with a good dot of superglue, and another dot



it will take you only ten minutes, but works great


Krijn

it is not problem with nose


if the icarex is just beginning to tear, I would get some Tedlar Repair tape from Steve... it is a thin, clear tape that can be applied to the ripstop to prevent further damage.  I can't tell from your pictures if the damage goes under the nose webbing, but if it does... consider popping the seem of the nose webbing and using Tedlar tape as far as you can, then restitch the nose.

Disclaimer... please do not cut anything on your kite if you are not comfortable sewing it back together. 

If you decide to pop any of the the webbing off, remove spars and use a good seem ripper, and proceed with extreme caution one stitch at a time being sure you aren't also cutting any of the ripstop.  Only rip enough of the seem to do the repair, and when you restitch the nose webbing, overlap the original stitching.  As worn as your nose appears, you may consider a new pieces of webbing, or to reinforce existing webbing with gaffer's tape as noted by Tom. 

I dont sew kite, I give it to specialist, he put off old nose, and sew a new a bit longer. And how long repair tape should be placed, only the smal lenght there seems to be problem, or on the all line length?


Title: Re: The kite is ripping out
Post by: Krijn on February 04, 2011, 01:32 AM
right, sorry  :-X

just saw the top photo and saw (thought i saw) the spine coming throug


Title: Re: The kite is ripping out
Post by: TT on February 04, 2011, 07:02 AM
(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/4669/30628254.th.jpg) (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/30628254.jpg/)
(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7004/88460319.th.jpg) (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/88460319.jpg/)


better photo


Title: Re: The kite is ripping out
Post by: mikenchico on February 04, 2011, 07:44 AM
Replacing the nose webbing looks best, but I would add a second layer of fabric over the ripstop at the nose stitched down like Lam does on his kites and Jon started doing with the Widowmaker, then new nose webbing. Simply adding wider webbing would require a pretty wide piece to cover which would alter the balance of the kite.


Title: Re: The kite is ripping out
Post by: Kareloh on February 04, 2011, 08:00 AM
Same happened to my Nirvana. I decided to take off the nose webbing and replace it with a larger Bisonyl piece.
(after i took off the nose i also replaced the comlete leading egde dacron tunnels for new, covered ones... total refurbish)


Title: Re: The kite is ripping out
Post by: TT on February 05, 2011, 04:42 AM
Replacing the nose webbing looks best, but I would add a second layer of fabric over the ripstop at the nose stitched down like Lam does on his kites and Jon started doing with the Widowmaker, then new nose webbing. Simply adding wider webbing would require a pretty wide piece to cover which would alter the balance of the kite.

Maybe you know threre I could see example of "second layer of fabric over the ripstop at the nose stitched down" ?

Same happened to my Nirvana. I decided to take off the nose webbing and replace it with a larger Bisonyl piece.
(after i took off the nose i also replaced the comlete leading egde dacron tunnels for new, covered ones... total refurbish)


And does it changed kite control?


Title: Re: The kite is ripping out
Post by: Will Sturdy on February 05, 2011, 06:02 AM
I'd go with Mike's method.
Not sure who's photo this is... I recommend using 1.5 oz nylon instead of mylar as the stitching is likely to tear through the mylar even faster than the icarex.
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr171/bobdros/Kites/Widow%20Maker%20Spider/th_IMG_0125.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/albums/rr171/bobdros/Kites/Widow%20Maker%20Spider/?action=view&current=IMG_0125.jpg)


Title: Re: The kite is ripping out
Post by: mikenchico on February 05, 2011, 10:07 AM
Thanks Will, I couldn't find a detail shot of Lam's nose when I posted that, I didn't search for Widowmaker details (here I had one on my computer below). Will's shows Mylar but I would go with 1.5 oz ripstop as he suggested, I was never fond of Jon's use of Mylar there because of the repeated creasing in that area which is notorious for cracking Mylar. The patch could be added to both sides to hide the rip. Lam's method is really clean, he's started with the patch pointing toward the tail and sewed the first row then folded the patch up to hide the fabric edge and that first seam, that's why he gets premium prices. I would unstitch the upper leading edges to get the patch under them, sew the patch down with a series of parallel stitches as pictured then resew the leading edges, add new nose webbing and hot cut to size.

Better then new, I'm guessing the reason some makers use this is to add a little body at the bunching of the nose giving a better aerodynamic shape to that area.



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Title: Re: The kite is ripping out
Post by: TT on February 06, 2011, 06:58 AM
maybe someone who maded it to nirvana have photo?


Title: Re: The kite is ripping out
Post by: Bob D on February 25, 2011, 06:32 AM
Hey Will! That's a picture of my Spider's nose!