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Title: Horvath Hybrid questions
Post by: streamhawk on March 31, 2011, 01:17 PM
so, been checking out these gliders, very nice. I'm leaning towards the 200 with the best wind range of the lot, I'll be doing around 100% of my flying outdoors unless I can find an inside venue, no luck so far.  Of the 130, 200, and 240, what are the pros and cons of each, does one outglide the others, or excel more in no wind, I would assume the 240 and 130 with a much smaller wind range would be best for this, but as I said, the 200 looks to be the best all rounder if you could only have one.

Also, any comparisons to the Skate or Manta would be appreciated. The Hybrid really appeals to me from vids I've seen, like the looks of the kite being more delta shaped, just wish there was a bit of color choice....

Bill


Title: Re: Horvath Hybrid questions
Post by: stringfly on March 31, 2011, 02:06 PM
Not sure about the others but here is some comments on the 200.

http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=1754.15 (http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=1754.15)


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Title: Re: Horvath Hybrid questions
Post by: streamhawk on March 31, 2011, 02:24 PM
I had read that, appreciate it anyway, hoping to hear from folks that have or have flown two if not all three versions. Don't you have a Skate and/or Manta too? What's your opinion on the Hybrid compared to them String?


Title: Re: Horvath Hybrid questions
Post by: glider on March 31, 2011, 03:29 PM
I've enjoyed the 200 for a couple years now.  It flies great, spins, glides.  It is my go-to kite when there's no wind outdoors and lately it has replaced the Skate as my kite of choice for indoor demos.

I had the 130 out yesterday again and can't quite get the handle on it.  I suspect that this size suffers from being made slightly heavier than the original design just so it can be "mass produced".  For me the 130 spends more time flying into the ground than I like.  It could be that I just haven't spent enough time with it or maybe the bridle needs tweaked.  I bet a fighter kite pilot would have better luck.

I tried the 240 briefly last weekend.  It didn't seem all that much better indoors than the 200.  And as I was flying it, I was thinking about the $300 price tag.

As far as wind range goes, I think these gliders are at their best in virtually no wind.  Otherwise, it is tough to take advantage of beautiful spins and ability to fly upwind.  Any higher than 1 mph, and I reach for a different kite.

For the money, I'd say the 200 is a good bet.  To jump to the next size up, I've been looking at the Long Way Home from Horvath with a 9' wingspan.  Wondering if I could get one for under $500. (ouch)

Dave
pdx


Title: Re: Horvath Hybrid questions
Post by: tonycarl60 on March 31, 2011, 11:58 PM
You'll be very happy with the 200. I have all three plus a Manta, skate, Plutz, 661/49 and Liama, and the Horvath Hybrid 200 and 240 are the best of all. The Hybrid kites were designed from scratch the be the most efficient glider kites available. There's a lot of science and aerodynamics behind the design of these kites. They were not made to be the most colorful kite in the sky, but to be the best at what it does, and that's gliding. I fly mostly the 200 mainly because the park I fly at is not large enough to take advantage of the 240. I also use a control stick (wand) so I can stand in one place (I'm an old fart). I fly them only out doors and prefer a breeze I can hardly feel for the longest down wind glides. If the kite starts to flap (buzz) then the wind is to high. For such a light kite they are pretty durable.   


Title: Re: Horvath Hybrid questions
Post by: stringfly on April 01, 2011, 06:16 AM
yea.... all that glider and Tony said.
 Although I only have the 240 and have not flown the smaller ones.  I love my Manta and it's size but it's slower and just does everything slower than the 240. I don't fly indoors and for me the Skate's frame is just too light for any really outdoor wisps of wind.  For me it distorts a little to easy.   The Hybrid 200  would be a good choice between the three Hybrids although for me area and weight, lift, size does matter.... ;D :D.   I also would like to get a "Long Way Home" though.

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Title: Re: Horvath Hybrid questions
Post by: streamhawk on April 01, 2011, 06:48 AM
thanx guys, really appreciate that info, sounds like the 200 is the ticket as I felt it was. I see what I'll be doing this summer as the winds die down to nothingness.


Title: Re: Horvath Hybrid questions
Post by: stringfly on April 01, 2011, 08:48 AM
Bill,  Plan to go out after work (if it will ever stop freakin raining!!!) and play with the ultralights.  Will take some pictures of my 240 and others.   

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Title: Re: Horvath Hybrid questions
Post by: streamhawk on April 01, 2011, 09:05 AM
cool Park, the sun just finally popped out here a few minutes ago, we had ice falling yesterday, I feel your pain. Going to check with the local kite pusher on the Hybrid, never thought active ULSLK's would cause me such interest, but they do.

P.S.~~got a 200 on order, about a two week delay in shipping, I'm patient, I think...


Title: Re: Horvath Hybrid questions
Post by: tonycarl60 on April 01, 2011, 01:05 PM
If you want to see some pictures of my Hybrids go here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/Tonycarl60/20100415Kites# (https://picasaweb.google.com/Tonycarl60/20100415Kites#)


Title: Re: Horvath Hybrid questions
Post by: streamhawk on April 01, 2011, 01:44 PM
nice collection dude, very cool looking Plutz. I see the 200 Hybrid literally dwarf's the 130. Very nice BM 61/49 too. If there was as much time as there are kites in the collection, it'd be good, my problem for sure.


Title: Re: Horvath Hybrid questions
Post by: tonycarl60 on April 01, 2011, 03:30 PM
Thanks! One of the benefits of being retired is...................more time :)


Title: Re: Horvath Hybrid questions
Post by: stringfly on April 04, 2011, 06:58 PM
Great kites tony, a wonderful selection.
 Finally got some nice weather Friday and light air. Flew the 240, XL Wala, and Laima.  The Hybrid still has the sweetest most wonderful glide of them.
Some pics. 


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Title: Re: Horvath Hybrid questions
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Title: Re: Horvath Hybrid questions
Post by: streamhawk on April 05, 2011, 07:33 AM
cool Park, looks like fun, I got out Friday also, a bit too much wind, but I did put the ol Aerobe/Wala up to get a better feel for things and have a nice practice session, had alot of fun. My Laima and XL came in, just need the time to run over and pick them up. Looking forward to the Hybrid showing up in a couple of weeks, think I'll be fairly covered at that point.


Title: Re: Horvath Hybrid questions
Post by: stringfly on April 07, 2011, 09:23 AM
Anybody have any luck going to www.horvath.ch (http://www.horvath.ch)  ?
Can't seem to connect for quite awhile.

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Title: Re: Horvath Hybrid questions
Post by: streamhawk on April 07, 2011, 10:13 AM
I can get there.....can you connect to this Park:

http://www.horvath.ch/en/kite_lab.html (http://www.horvath.ch/en/kite_lab.html)


Title: Re: Horvath Hybrid questions
Post by: stringfly on April 07, 2011, 12:26 PM
No luck here at work.  Will try at home.... thanks.

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Title: Re: Horvath Hybrid questions
Post by: Doug S on June 09, 2011, 06:10 AM
I have a Hybrid 240 and have two questions.

There is one silver mark on the bridle, but when I view the Horvath Website it indicates that there should be two marks.  With two marks, if you move the connecting line closer to the front mark, the kite will be more responsive.  With the one silver mark, can anyone let me know how far in front of the silver mark I should move the connecting line.  I have moved it about 2 inches so far.

My second question is when I fly the Hybrid 240 in no wind on a calm evening.  It stalls easily and does not float over a short distance unless I hold tension on the flying line.  I have added a length of AFC 2400 that fits over the center spin by the nose to move the center of gravity forward.  This adjustment to the center of gravity has made it float a little better, but I still need to add a little more nose weight.  Has anyone adjusted the center of gravity so that the Hybrid 240 fly’s without stalling after the slower glide speed has been achieved and did you measure the location of the center of gravity from the noise?

It is my belief that the weight of the flying line, how much of it is in the air and its connection point to the bridle need to be considered when making these fine adjustments, since these factors can alter the center of gravity.  I use a spool that contains 250 feet of 50 lb. spectra line for no wind evenings and attempt to get the Hybrid 240 above tree top height.  With a slight breeze, I use a spool that contains over 600 feet of 75 lb. spectra.  As you would expect after the launch on a calm evening, I have line all over the field at my feet to work with.

Thank you for any response to my questions.

Sincerely

Doug