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Title: "neutral" kites
Post by: johnsown48 on April 12, 2011, 07:24 AM
I've seen on , I think, the Blue Moon website, the Exile praised as a most "neutral " kite.  I'm very new to kiting, but that sounds like exactly what I would want in a kite. I'm inland ( Missouri), so light  and extremely variable winds would be a factor. My question would be, what other full size kites for light winds would be considered very neutral?
John


Title: Re: "neutral" kites
Post by: mikenchico on April 12, 2011, 07:45 AM
I'm not sure how Ken is using the term "Neutral", the Exile does well with both "Old School" & "Newer" tricks,  has good precision & handles low and variable winds well, but it gets a little fast as the winds go above 10 mph.

Another kite that handles variable and light inland winds well, has a well rounded bag of tricks, and retains good precision is the Skyburner Widowmaker. It doesn't get as fast as the Exile as the winds get higher IMO.

I'm sure there are others, those are two in my bag that are similar in abilities, precision vs tricks & good inland wind range.



Title: Re: "neutral" kites
Post by: Bob D on April 12, 2011, 08:32 AM
I prefer the Widow Maker to the Exile, though I like the Exile too. The Exile excels at rotational tricks but it pulls harder than the WM at higher wind speeds. The WM has a wider wind range at the upper end but both are good at the low end. Both of them are pretty easy to trick. (Ken's site says that the Mongoose handles higher wind but I don't know much about it.)

I'm not sure what 'neutral' means but to me it means that you have to know what you're doing because it's not going to give tricks away.

(My Nirvanas are neutral and I have to work harder to get them to 540 and jacobs ladder.)

They're all good kites and you can't go wrong with a Blue Moon. Personally, I think the Blue Moon's look nicer than the production Widow Makers. (I have a custom Widow Maker Spider and THAT'S a work of art.)


Title: Re: "neutral" kites
Post by: lasapcheong on April 12, 2011, 09:00 AM

+1 on the Widow Maker Standard. Its not an extreme radical trick kite but its as neutral as it can be. Plus its low wind range almost down to UL levels and sturdy stiff frame up to 15mph-ish means that it is a very versatile kite for extremely varying wind conditions.

-Darryl


Title: Re: "neutral" kites
Post by: Dolphinboy on April 12, 2011, 09:51 AM
I live inland and fly with shifty / variable winds all the time. The trickier the kite, the more they can become upset in shifty winds. Also, the more oversteer a kite has seems to be a negative factor inland. I've found that spinny / pitchy kites with a bit of oversteer end up making the worst inland TRICK kites. You may not even notice a problem with control in nice wind but get them inland and they can be a handful.

The Widow Maker does handle these conditions better than many and tricks well with out any special inputs needed. I own the WM standard and used to have the UL. I haven't flown the Exile in these conditions.

Some good inland trick kites:
Widow Maker
Transformer
Fearless
Sea Devil
Nirvana
Mohawk XS
Silver Fox
Mantis
Cesium

These are just a few that came to mind.

Good luck and have fun.


Title: Re: "neutral" kites
Post by: johnsown48 on April 12, 2011, 10:37 AM
Thanks for the answers guys. tricking and retaining precision AND handling variable and light winds is what I think would be ideal and what I took to be neutral.
John


Title: Re: "neutral" kites
Post by: Gamelord on April 12, 2011, 12:46 PM
That is pretty much how everyone describes the Widow Maker.  It is my favorite kite thus far.  And for the higher winds, put a set of wind brakes on it and the kite is a true dream to fly!!!


Title: Re: "neutral" kites
Post by: RobB on April 12, 2011, 02:37 PM
I would agree with the Widow Maker being a great neutral kite. Also, the Sea Devil is very neutral. I would disagree with the Fearless being neutral, but the vented light is perfect for variable inland conditions once you get used to its quirks. It is great if your wind varies from 3-20mph in random intervals. The Widow Maker may fly in a little lower wind, though...

~Rob.


Title: Re: "neutral" kites
Post by: Dolphinboy on April 12, 2011, 02:57 PM
Yeah, the Fearless Vented Light, the wind range is very wide and it doesn't get all catywampus when the wind changes in the middle of a trick. I don't own the std F, just the SUL Tattoo and Vented Light. Both get used a lot inland. But keep in mind, no trick kite is ideal in quickly changing / swirly / variable wind conditions. Some are better than others though and some are almost unusable.


Title: Re: "neutral" kites
Post by: gbegey on April 12, 2011, 04:51 PM
Johnsown48

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Greg
Joplin, Missouri