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Title: Notes on sport kites great read 170 pages!! (found on the internet)
Post by: c2thew on May 06, 2011, 11:08 AM
http://www.seek2know.org.uk/kites/PJKites/Kites%20notes.pdf (http://www.seek2know.org.uk/kites/PJKites/Kites%20notes.pdf)

I'm not sure who put it together, but they did a REALLY good job


Title: Re: Notes on sport kites great read 170 pages!! (found on the internet)
Post by: thief on May 06, 2011, 11:19 AM
"UK trick master" Peter Massey...member of the Kent Kite Flyers it looks like.


Title: Re: Notes on sport kites great read 170 pages!! (found on the internet)
Post by: Magpiesfooty on May 06, 2011, 08:18 PM
The book is a nice attempt to get more modern information to todays flyers, however I find it to be a bit one sided.  I have flown in several competitions and have competed with modern trick flyers, and have done well by just flying a standard routine that uses basic shapes, crisp turns and track like control. Tricks are nice, but they are not everything. True control of a kite at the end of your lines, can be impressive to any spectator.


Title: Re: Notes on sport kites great read 170 pages!! (found on the internet)
Post by: zippy8 on May 06, 2011, 08:27 PM
I'm not sure who put it together, but they did a REALLY good job

Read all about it. (http://fracturedaxel.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9045)

Mike.


Title: Re: Notes on sport kites great read 170 pages!! (found on the internet)
Post by: obijuankenobe on May 11, 2011, 05:21 AM
The book is a nice attempt to get more modern information to todays flyers, however I find it to be a bit one sided.  I have flown in several competitions and have competed with modern trick flyers, and have done well by just flying a standard routine that uses basic shapes, crisp turns and track like control. Tricks are nice, but they are not everything. True control of a kite at the end of your lines, can be impressive to any spectator.

Yeah, but flying in control with snappy turns and rail lines is easy if that is a skill you care about (which ALOT of folks around here don't). 

You don't need alot of text to describe how this is done.  Push, push, pull.  You need alot of practice to make it happen is all.

Tricks, on the other hand....

obi


Title: Re: Notes on sport kites great read 170 pages!! (found on the internet)
Post by: Magpiesfooty on May 11, 2011, 04:16 PM
... are nice but they are not everything.  Hmmm.... thought I stated that already.  Was the book written for ALOT of folks around here? Or to those interested in kites and flying them?  Just saying.


Title: Re: Notes on sport kites great read 170 pages!! (found on the internet)
Post by: DGomberg on May 11, 2011, 04:48 PM
"Yet the only book that covers this subject, (as opposed to the much more commercial power kiting) was written in 1992, and last published in 1997." (“Stunt Kites to make and fly”.)

Hmmm. Should we tell him about the Ron Reich or Al Harguss books? Stunt Kites! and Sport Kite Magic are two others that come to mind....


Title: Re: Notes on sport kites great read 170 pages!! (found on the internet)
Post by: Magpiesfooty on May 11, 2011, 05:06 PM
Thanks Dave for your comments.  The only issue that I had with the book posting, and it is VERY small, is that if you are going to write a book about a subject, unless you narrow it down to that one topic, you need to speak about more about the entire subject or just title the book about the topic.  It is a good read, thorough review of the subject may have been better.


Title: Re: Notes on sport kites great read 170 pages!! (found on the internet)
Post by: JimB on May 11, 2011, 10:32 PM
Or for that matter, the Two books that you wrote on Stunt kites David. ;)

Stunt Kites!: A Complete Flight Manual of Maneuverable Kites

Sport Kite Magic!

Oh, you were being funny. :)

I didn't notice that you had referenced them in your post.


"Yet the only book that covers this subject, (as opposed to the much more commercial power kiting) was written in 1992, and last published in 1997." (“Stunt Kites to make and fly”.)

Hmmm. Should we tell him about the Ron Reich or Al Harguss books? Stunt Kites!And Sport Kite magic are two others that come to mind....


Title: Re: Notes on sport kites great read 170 pages!! (found on the internet)
Post by: DGomberg on May 12, 2011, 05:55 AM
Stunt Kites! was released in the late 80's and sold close to 100,000 copies in five years. It was self published and updated annually. Marketed direct to kite stores. What a time that was.... ;)

Thought about putting both books online but they are a bit dated now.

This new piece is interesting and valuable. Just found his comments about about other authors to be a little odd.

dg



Title: Re: Notes on sport kites great read 170 pages!! (found on the internet)
Post by: inewham on May 12, 2011, 08:27 AM
Thought about putting both books online but they are a bit dated now.

Please, do put them on line.

While they might not be full of sexy new tricks, Sport Kite Magic had something I've not found in other books - it doesn't just describe figures, it gives tips on how to fly them well. I found it *very* helpful when I had brief dabble at winter leagues years ago.
If someone wants to fly good precision that sort of info is still relevant and useful even if the figures have changed.


Title: Re: Notes on sport kites great read 170 pages!! (found on the internet)
Post by: Flying Fish on May 12, 2011, 08:59 AM
+1 wrt putting these books online!


Title: Re: Notes on sport kites great read 170 pages!! (found on the internet)
Post by: thief on May 12, 2011, 09:19 AM
I did a quick search...you should be able to find both of David's books quite affordably online right now....i think 2$ was the going price on one of them......


Title: Re: Notes on sport kites great read 170 pages!! (found on the internet)
Post by: JimB on May 12, 2011, 10:27 AM
Yes, both David's books and Ron Reich's book have a great deal of useful info on how to fly a kite with precision from a time when flying a kite with precision was the name of the game.

I know I've read Al's book. I may even have a copy somewhere, but it doesn't seem to have stuck with me as well as the other Two for some reason, not that it doesn't have good info. I just don't remember it as well as the other Three.





Please, do put them on line.

While they might not be full of sexy new tricks, Sport Kite Magic had something I've not found in other books - it doesn't just describe figures, it gives tips on how to fly them well. I found it *very* helpful when I had brief dabble at winter leagues years ago.
If someone wants to fly good precision that sort of info is still relevant and useful even if the figures have changed.


Title: Re: Notes on sport kites great read 170 pages!! (found on the internet)
Post by: DGomberg on May 12, 2011, 11:23 PM
OK -- I did a quick PDF format and listed chapters separately. Let me know what you think.

http://www.gombergkites.com/howSKM.html (http://www.gombergkites.com/howSKM.html)




Title: Re: Notes on sport kites great read 170 pages!! (found on the internet)
Post by: DecSkybirds on May 12, 2011, 11:29 PM
Just checked it out, working well.  Very much appreciated!


Title: Re: Notes on sport kites great read 170 pages!! (found on the internet)
Post by: mikenchico on May 13, 2011, 12:08 AM
I think it's great, and great that you've shared it. Some of the pictures, well the cover picture, didn't come out great but the inside diagrams and all did, that's the part we'll all be concentrating on. I wouldn't say the book is out of date, just not up to date, but anybody new to the sport should be starting here anyway and there's probably not a flyer among us who won't come away without having learned something.

I would prefer the full book in one download for offline reading, I promise I'll make a visit your site whenever I read it  ;)  in fact I think I'll go take a look around now, it's been a month or so since I last stopped by.



Title: Re: Notes on sport kites great read 170 pages!! (found on the internet)
Post by: Flying Fish on May 13, 2011, 01:18 AM
Thanks for that, David!


Title: Re: Notes on sport kites great read 170 pages!! (found on the internet)
Post by: inewham on May 13, 2011, 02:34 AM
Thanks David, that's great 8)

I'm sure lots of people will find it useful


Title: Re: Notes on sport kites great read 170 pages!! (found on the internet)
Post by: damp_weather on May 22, 2011, 03:15 AM
"UK trick master" Peter Massey...member of the Kent Kite Flyers it looks like.

"Trick master" - in my dreams! - No just someone who is still trying to learn tricks (and didn't get on with learning from videos) - Learn a bit more each year.   Despite the location of our home (i.e. near Kent), my partner and I are members of the White Horse Kite fliers.  You can read a bit on how we started at  http://www.whkf.org.uk/earlymags/A08.pdf (http://www.whkf.org.uk/earlymags/A08.pdf) . (pages 4-5).


The book is a nice attempt to get more modern information to todays flyers, however I find it to be a bit one sided.  I have flown in several competitions and have competed with modern trick flyers, and have done well by just flying a standard routine that uses basic shapes, crisp turns and track like control. Tricks are nice, but they are not everything. True control of a kite at the end of your lines, can be impressive to any spectator.

Agreed.  In the UK there are STACK boot camps and also better flying days, which concentrate on precision and ballet, offer excellent tuition, and were very informative and helpful in getting us flying.  So I didn't feel I had to say so much on that aspect.


"Yet the only book that covers this subject, (as opposed to the much more commercial power kiting) was written in 1992, and last published in 1997." (“Stunt Kites to make and fly”.)

- A strong statement to make, and when I wrote it I thought I might be making myself a hostage to fortune.  But on the other hand we had been searching the kite festival stalls, kite shops and the internet for over two years by then, and despite attending a boot camp and a better flying day, no-one had mentioned any other available books.


Hmmm. Should we tell him about the Ron Reich or Al Harguss books? Stunt Kites! and Sport Kite Magic are two others that come to mind....

Oh yes please!  Thanks for telling me, and much more importantly making "Sport Kite Magic" available on the internet.  I read it last week and found it excellent coverage of ballet and precision. - Over the coming months will try following the instructions for the figures.
Will keep a lookout for the Reich and Harguss books.  And if I ever to post another edition, these will be some of the many corrections and updates.


...A small point - despite the thread title, the posted "Kite Notes" is only 124 pages?? 


Title: Re: Notes on sport kites great read 170 pages!! (found on the internet)
Post by: inewham on May 22, 2011, 11:17 AM
Will keep a lookout for the Reich and Harguss books

If you PM me an address I'll send you Ron Reich's book.  :)



Title: Re: Notes on sport kites great read 170 pages!! (found on the internet)
Post by: Magpiesfooty on May 29, 2011, 12:19 PM
Thanks to all for the great reading recommendations.  I now have the two books by Mr. Gomberg and the book by Ron Reich, I highly recommend all three. Even if you are an old timer or have been flying for a while, I guarantee that you will learn several things from each of these books.   Reading is a wonderful thing to do when it is stormy outside or if it gets too hot, like it is quickly becoming.