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Title: I am rather upset...
Post by: Shane on May 26, 2011, 01:51 PM
 >:( I went out to fly my Talon UL that I have had for all of about 7 months now... and was having the time of my life learning some new tricks... Just got the 2 pop yoyo down, and am almost there with the jacobs ladder. I got 540's from both sides, Axels from both sides, Half Axels from both sides... anyway, you get the picture... I was just really having a great time and trying to get out and fly about 2-3 times a week... When, I am in the zone and trying a new trick and the lines got wrapped up and the kite fell out of the sky... Well guess what happens??? A damn German Shephard comes running out of nowhere and attacks my kite... I was so mad the dog is lucky it is still alive... but the owner was there and could tell that I was pissed.

She says "oh, well how much was it"
I say "do you really want to know"
Her response "yes, I'll write you a check when I get home and send it to you, just let me get your info"
My response "almost $400"

Not so bad... but, I was so mad that I didn't think to get any of her information... I only gave her mine... It has now been almost 2 weeks. I just knew it wasn't going to happen...

Anyway, Sorry for the rant. I am just really sad and upset. I loved that kite.
... The reason why I am writing is to see what the best way to repair a hole in a kite is? and to see if anyone knows if there is a dealer in the US that can get me a LLE for a Talon UL. (they have some specific weighting in them) I believe that I can get it form Mark at JOE but I'm sure the shipping would cost more than the spar itself.

Any and all help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Shane

Now I gott get back to work so I can try to save up and replace my kite. :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(


Title: Re: I am rather upset...
Post by: DWayne on May 26, 2011, 02:07 PM
That totally sucks.  >:(
Next time use your cell phone to call the cops. File a police report. Then you can go to small claims court. Owners are responsible for their dogs actions.


Denny


Title: Re: I am rather upset...
Post by: Hadge on May 26, 2011, 02:50 PM
Sorry to hear about your Talon it's a real bummer when that happens.  Sadly it's all to common over here in the UK, I know several folks who have had kites destroyed by dogs, my friends custom Benson was trashed a couple of weeks ago. There is no legal requirement for dog owners to have any sort of 3rd party insurance over here and most don't, most also don't want to know when their dog trashes your kite, all you usually get is a load of abuse. I've been lucky and not lost one yet but I've had several verbal slanging matches with dog owners. The last one when informed his dog was chasing a 140 kite ( my shadow) responded with " you're taking the Pi** I could make one of those" Sadly the Police don't usually want to know either :(.....Shame we can't have pepper spray over here....though there are other ways...... >:(

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Title: Re: I am rather upset...
Post by: tpatter on May 26, 2011, 03:53 PM
Sorry to hear that Shane - how bad is it? 

I have used the CA and tedlar fix before and it never failed.  A famous local kiter tip-stabbed a pretty decent hole in my Exile a few years back.  I repaired it and it flew as good as new after that.  As one other flyer put it, if you are going to get stabbed, you may as well get stabbed by a professional.

I do know a local kite-maker who could possible sew a patch (replace the damaged portion of the sail) if you want to go that route. 

-Tom


Title: Re: I am rather upset...
Post by: Shane on May 26, 2011, 06:36 PM
So... believe it or nor... I cam home today from work to find a check for $150 and a letter of appology as well as a printed conversation that the woman had had with Mark from JOE. ! :-) I couldn't believe it. There are still decent people in the world. ... so, the kite is off in the mail to Mark and other than not having a kite for a month or so. I'm a suprisingly happy man. I wish all people were that decent. She even said that if it cost more just let her know. I must have done something right recently to deserve such karma. I might just have to pull out the old techno kite that I first got and see if she learned anything knew in the last few months. :-) I'll let ya'all know how it turnes out.


Title: Re: I am rather upset...
Post by: WinterDaze on May 26, 2011, 07:28 PM
2 thumbs up to the owner  ;D

If only everyone knew how to be responsible for their charges actions.

The wait will hopefully be that little bit less painful because of her restitution.

WD


Title: Re: I am rather upset...
Post by: Ace on May 26, 2011, 09:49 PM
What an outcome ???
I'm surprised the woman knew to contact JOE. You didn't tell her the brand did you!
Great result 8)



Title: Re: I am rather upset...
Post by: fidelio on May 26, 2011, 11:27 PM
this is the clearest sign yet, the apocalypse is upon us. congratulations shane for getting in under the wire.


Title: Re: I am rather upset...
Post by: Bob D on May 27, 2011, 04:30 AM
Finally! Some good news about people! Too many times you hear about bad behavior.



Title: Re: I am rather upset...
Post by: RobB on May 27, 2011, 04:40 AM
Isn't it amazing when someone else does the right thing ? I'm sure most of you are like me, and try to do the right thing by other people when things like that happen, but how often does someone do right by you ? Shane, your story has given me a little hope back...

Not a dog attack, but my example has resulted in the loss of two kites... I met a couple of new fliers last spring to help them out, and hopefully get some local interest going for a kite club. (  :D around here !  :D )
Anyway, it was a low wind day, so we were flying my UL kites. I let them both 'borrow' an UL (Shadow & a Flashlight) until the next time we met up... still waiting for the return of the kites over a year later...  ::)
People suck... at least around here...
~Rob.


Title: Re: I am rather upset...
Post by: tempest on May 27, 2011, 06:22 AM
I had a similar situation some years back, went to the police station, and was told they do not attend to that kind of matter and was referred to the APA, who investigated the matter. They got back to me, and informed me that it was not beneficial to me, to pursue the matter and i had better check if it was okay to fly a kite in the park, as i could charged for doing so.
So where was the justice?
The section of the park where i fly is an open area, away from the other facilities of the park,  the 2 pit bull dogs were not on leashes, and there were  people and children around by the slides and swings.
Now , whenever i spot a dog whether it may be docile or aggressive, i land my kite, go to it, and wait until the coast is clear.
Seems to me dogs and owners have a lot of rights in parks , as they are allowed to roam without a leash, although there is a penalty , and some owners do not pick up the dog's poo.


Title: Re: I am rather upset...
Post by: mikenchico on May 27, 2011, 06:54 AM
... They got back to me, and informed me that it was not beneficial to me, to pursue the matter and i had better check if it was okay to fly a kite in the park, as i could charged for doing so.
So where was the justice? ...

Curious, have you checked and is kite flying illegal? Or is this just another example of ...

You have to do the footwork, here there are laws, you'll have to find them yourself, the numbers, and the enforcement angencies, then you'll have to quote those laws to those people you pay to know & enforce your laws. Here dogs also fall under under the Public Health Dept. after going through all the proper channels I found buried in the fine print that the head of public health was required to respond if the other depts couldn't. A call to the head of public health and quotation of that passage, number & paragraph of the law and the insistance that they be at the scene in an hour which gave them 30 extra minutes had a proper response in 25 minutes from the agencies that couldn't respond before.



Title: Re: I am rather upset...
Post by: Shane on May 27, 2011, 07:01 AM
What an outcome ???
I'm surprised the woman knew to contact JOE. You didn't tell her the brand did you!
Great result 8)



Yes I did, when she said she would write me a check I didn't want her to think I was lying about the cost of the kite. So I gave her the make and model so she could look into it if she wanted. I am still very surprised and happy that this was the outcome. very great result indeed!  :)


Title: Re: I am rather upset...
Post by: johnfarl on May 27, 2011, 07:54 AM
I had a similar experience with a lady and a dog.   She was very gracious and we called my kite purveyor with the lady and she gave the kite purveyor a credit card number to replace my ruined kite with.  I think about 90 % of the people in this world are fabulous.  BTW I was a jerk at first but like I said she won me over with her smile and demeanor.

The dogs, they are just dogs.

John


Title: Re: I am rather upset...
Post by: tempest on May 27, 2011, 03:18 PM


Curious, have you checked and is kite flying illegal? Or is this just another example of ...



There are no signs of any kind where i fly but there are the usual signs  around the park ,including  - dogs must be kept on a leash. Other kids and their parents come and fly their kites regularly and from time to time i have seen the cops in their cruisers parked in the car park and they have seen me fly my kite.


Title: Re: I am rather upset...
Post by: Stickman on May 27, 2011, 10:59 PM
Shane-Sorry to hear about "the attack"! What a bummer! As one of those waiting for Mark to complete my Talon UL-I am more than happy to wait a few extra days for yours to get fixed. Actually before I understood the kite was already shipped back-I thought I would get Mark to stick an extra LLE in with mine. Anyway-did that happen at kite hill? Hope to meet you there some time if that's where you fly. Scott


Title: Re: I am rather upset...
Post by: Shane on May 31, 2011, 10:00 AM
Shane-Sorry to hear about "the attack"! What a bummer! As one of those waiting for Mark to complete my Talon UL-I am more than happy to wait a few extra days for yours to get fixed. Actually before I understood the kite was already shipped back-I thought I would get Mark to stick an extra LLE in with mine. Anyway-did that happen at kite hill? Hope to meet you there some time if that's where you fly. Scott

Nah, not at kitehill. I have always had pretty good experiences there. I actually live in DT Seattle and sold both my cars when I moved to the city. So haven't been able to get to kitehill very often. I will however, be there this Saturday, I hope you can make it out. "he dog attack" happened at a little field that I found in the city... it is on the other side of lake Union from Gasworks Park. It is not very big but the wind coming off the water is normally in the perfect direction and it "was" a beautiful place to fly... I will not be going there anymore.... :'(   I'm sure that if I search enough I will find another place within walking distance....

I went to Ocean Shores WA this weekend and my wife allowed me to buy a new kite..... It isn't a Talon by any means. but it will work. I got a new SkyDog kite... seems to fly rather well. but I only got about 30 minutes with it the whole weekend... then a lower spreader decided to break... I have never had to deal with loaded spars... that's an odd concept from Dodd... but it is fixed now and I am hoping to be at kite hill pretty much all day on Saturday... i have missed flying since my Talon got bit... Hopefully I'll see ya there. I will be the guy with the Skydog Cross fire kite. It's green, yellow and black.

PS..... I can't wait to get my JoE back!!!!!! :'(


Title: Re: I am rather upset...
Post by: Stickman on May 31, 2011, 10:35 PM
Pm'd you


Title: Re: I am rather upset...
Post by: stuntkiter on June 01, 2011, 08:05 AM
Great story - glad she made it right and glad you're faith in people has been restored.


Title: Re: I am rather upset...
Post by: cerfvoliste on June 03, 2011, 12:23 PM
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CV


Title: Re: I am rather upset...
Post by: Danno419 on June 06, 2011, 12:32 PM
About the LLE - i spoke to Mark about reusing the wing tip weights recently - he said you can break/crush the 3 gram weights out of the old spar and reuse them in a new one... just need to silicone them in place.
Just FYI  8)