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Title: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: kepople on June 29, 2011, 10:28 AM
I see ITW has them now... Still cant decide between Blue or red.

Anyone seen one in person yet, happen to take a photo?

FLight reviews?

Heres a recent video from Barresi...
Kymera in Blue (stunt kite) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvyrFXsyF5Q#ws)

Looking forward to one...
kirby


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Watty on June 29, 2011, 10:51 AM
I have a Lime Green one, and I must say I like it. I flew dual lines for about a year, and was never very good. I ended up selling all my dual line kites to buy more revs about 4 years ago. John handed me his Kymeria at AKA nationals in Seaside, and I immediately was doing some things I had never done before. I got one about a week ago, and since then, I have learned how to do a cascade, and I am working on the jacob's ladder. One of the things I really like about this kite is that it is able to do all the tricks, but it loads up and doesn't over-steer, making it great for precision as well. I honestly haven't flown enough dual line kites to give comparison, but the Kymeria has gotten me back into the dual line game.


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: RobB on June 29, 2011, 10:56 AM
The Kymera is on my birthday wishlist... hope they don't sell out before October !
Can't wait to try one, but I have a new kite coming all ready for the summer.

~Rob.


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: chilese on June 29, 2011, 11:27 AM
I see ITW has them now... Still cant decide between Blue or red.

Anyone seen one in person yet, happen to take a photo?

6 photos start at linked photo below:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-d93-aOtgBx4/TUpMXavl0pI/AAAAAAAAoeE/Z_aUU2GUmYU/s800/5224%252520Cymera%252520Barresi.jpg) (https://picasaweb.google.com/chilesej/KTAI2011LasVegas#5569347854396674706)


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: kepople on June 29, 2011, 12:41 PM
John you also caught them at the display booth later on... great looking kites all around there...
THanks!
kirby


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Craig on June 29, 2011, 12:49 PM

([url]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-d93-aOtgBx4/TUpMXavl0pI/AAAAAAAAoeE/Z_aUU2GUmYU/s800/5224%252520Cymera%252520Barresi.jpg[/url]) ([url]https://picasaweb.google.com/chilesej/KTAI2011LasVegas#5569347854396674706[/url])


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3227/2737904263_f57d15ee06.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/22809394@N08/2737904263/)
cdc stx comp (http://www.flickr.com/photos/22809394@N08/2737904263/#) by Will R S (http://www.flickr.com/people/22809394@N08/), on Flickr

A CdC Stx vibe going on  ;)



Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: bfranz on June 29, 2011, 06:22 PM
Since our forum host is also selling these (see thread in Fresh) maybe it's bad form to refer to another retailer?  :o :o :o


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: chilese on June 29, 2011, 07:18 PM
According to the rules set forth by our host
(Not that I agree with all of them)

Mentioning another kite store is acceptable (although just a tad on the tacky side).

Linking to a site selling kites is not acceptable.


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: KiteLife on June 29, 2011, 07:49 PM
Agreed, although it's tough not to mention ITW since they make the kite. :)

The price is set at $198 though, should be the same anywhere and Chico Kites is as good a source as you can find. :)


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: chilese on June 29, 2011, 08:00 PM
Does ITW make the kite like Prism makes their kites?  ::)


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Steven L Hall on June 29, 2011, 10:45 PM
Into the Wind is selling them as well as other kite shops. Yes, these are made by ITW exactly like Prism makes their kites (and just about everyone else).


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Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: GWTWNewb on June 30, 2011, 04:57 AM
Does ITW make the kite like Prism makes their kites?  ::)

You mean "with little regard to quality control"?  :D


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: RobB on June 30, 2011, 06:12 AM
Does ITW make the kite like Prism makes their kites?  ::)

You mean "with little regard to quality control"?  :D
Wow, NEWB, that's a little harsh.... but I'm sure the kites that you design & produce are SO much better...  ::) 


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: DWayne on June 30, 2011, 06:24 AM
It seems that most of the mass produced kites come out of the same factory.

Denny


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: kepople on June 30, 2011, 07:10 AM
Anyway, are there anymore in the hands of civilians yet?

I wish I new if the blue used was royal blue or light blue. Sure is making me it would be better if it was midnight blue.

Lime looks a little pale also, so its probably going to be red for me...

I expect the design quality level was closely watched by Baressi, so it should be good. In my other RC plane hobby, I have seen where the designer had no say in how it was carried out in production. The result was the designer moved to another manufacturer and the original company went out of business.

So lets see some close up photos when they get out there....


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: KiteLife on June 30, 2011, 10:22 AM
I wish I new if the blue used was royal blue or light blue. Sure is making me it would be better if it was midnight blue.

It's a sky blue, not a dark blue... Not the answer you wanted, but I hope it helps.

Quote
Lime looks a little pale also, so its probably going to be red for me...

The lime isn't dark, but it is almost in the neon range, at least to my eye.

Quote
I expect the design quality level was closely watched by Baressi, so it should be good. In my other RC plane hobby, I have seen where the designer had no say in how it was carried out in production.

I was fully involved in tweaking the factory construction... Not in the factory itself, but through a number of factory samples from different dates, after the various adjustments or changes in assembly I submitted... They were very responsive and made every change requested.

Will I actually put hands on and see every kite?
No, but the nine factory samples I've dealt with have all been great, and ITW's quality control has a great reputation thus far... One way or another, they do stand behind their products, which extends itself through Chico Kites and any other shops that carry these kites. :)


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: kepople on June 30, 2011, 11:24 AM
Awesome John!

Looking forward to one. I have talked to ITW a few times about this one, and have been told a couple times they go through thier quality control. So it leads me to believe they will be inspected by ITW before being shipped to Chico.
In any case, I am not sure how this migrated to a quality discussion which I am not concerned about at all, just wondered about the color.

Ordering mine in a few minutes...

Kirby

ps. I vote that they add a purple one to the line or that color in the Seaside video. That one looked great!




Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: KiteLife on June 30, 2011, 11:25 AM
Aye, I know they were held up for about a week for the QC process in ITW's offices.

Be sure to place your order through Chico, and thanks for the interest. ;)


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: DGomberg on July 01, 2011, 06:13 AM
Gomberg Kites / Northwest Winds Kitestore is hosting a Barresi workshop on the beach in Lincoln City the weekend of July 9-10.  Bring your Kymera, get one from Steve, or check one out here.

Contact John for workshop registration and details.


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: EBGB on July 01, 2011, 06:28 AM
Opposite the Westport kite festival?


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: jeremyf on July 01, 2011, 06:49 AM
Honestly, having flown the chimera a couple times with J.B. it seems as well constructed as most sport

kites on the market.  Trickwise it seems to handle almost everything I'm capable of throwing at it and

the price can't be beat!


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: DGomberg on July 02, 2011, 06:35 AM
Only weekend in the next two months John was available.....


dg


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: KiteLife on July 02, 2011, 08:43 AM
Aye, unavoidable... It'll be a small group with lots of focus. :)


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: kepople on July 02, 2011, 11:55 AM
Wish I lived closer


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: EBGB on July 02, 2011, 04:54 PM
Sounds like I might be able to try a Kymera at Westport - so that part is fun anyway.
There will be a number of "lasts" at Westport that I don't want to miss.


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: jeepersjoey on July 02, 2011, 06:57 PM
I went into ITW today.

John...you will be pleased to know that they have it on the wall on full display.

Nice.  Very nice.

If you decide to visit the store, please look me up.


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: T-Dog on July 19, 2011, 11:57 AM
I've been flying the Kymera for about a month now and I am totally enjoying it!! Back in the mid - late 90's, I flew with Captain Eddies Flying Circus and I had the privledge of flying with Barresi...He taught me a thing or three about flying and I gotta tell ya, the Kymera is everything that I remember about John on the kite field. I have since had kids and my flying time has become limited but the Kymera has stoked that fire and making me want to fly more and more. I see videos on YouTube of people doing extraordinary things with kites these days and the Kymera is allowing this old dog to learn some new tricks!! I highly recommend that you add this kite to your collection. I'm flying it on factory setting with one weight on the spine and doing some funky things with it. Good Winds and Happy Flying!!


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: bbtech on July 20, 2011, 04:01 AM
Mine is supposed to arrive Thursday. Just in time to take on vacation with me to the lake. Hopefully the winds will be good and I will get to spend a few days getting used to this kite. I can't wait.  :)


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: PAW on September 27, 2011, 09:31 AM
A friend of mine is going by his work to the states in a view weeks...today he has ordered two Kymera which will be shipped to his adress in the states...one of them two kites is mine then  ;D
Can`t wait to have my Kymera on my lines  :)


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: kepople on December 30, 2011, 06:44 PM
Well I got the Kymera that was for sale on the forum here. Had a chance to try it out yesterday. Flies well.
I let my 11 year old daughter give it a try and she killed it...

Soo, I need to order the part that connects the spine to the spreader (whatever the technical term is)...

I dont see parts on the site that sells the kite.

Any idea where to get it?

Kirby


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Ca Ike on December 31, 2011, 11:30 PM
Well I got the Kymera that was for sale on the forum here. Had a chance to try it out yesterday. Flies well.
I let my 11 year old daughter give it a try and she killed it...

Soo, I need to order the part that connects the spine to the spreader (whatever the technical term is)...

I dont see parts on the site that sells the kite.

Any idea where to get it?

Kirby
THat was one thing we were worried about with the weights on the spine right at the center T that a hard nose plant would snap the T or the spine at the T where most kites the T slides up in a hard nose plant.  Did the ferrule in the lower spreader break too?


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: kepople on January 01, 2012, 11:10 PM
I will check it tomorrow but I don't think so.

K


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: KiteLife on January 02, 2012, 02:40 AM
I've broken my leading edge a couple times during normal use, but haven't snapped any center ferrules (and I've flown it in up to 25mph - not recommended)... Same story for Spence Watson, minus the 25mph... He learned dual line tricks on the Kymera, no breakage.

If you nose plant, expect to break something eventually.

My 2 cents. ;)


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Ca Ike on January 02, 2012, 03:35 AM
I've broken my leading edge a couple times during normal use, but haven't snapped any center ferrules (and I've flown it in up to 25mph - not recommended)... Same story for Spence Watson, minus the 25mph... He learned dual line tricks on the Kymera, no breakage.

If you nose plant, expect to break something eventually.

My 2 cents. ;)
  This is true enough John and the kite gods know I've broken my fair share of spines, ferrules, spreaders and LLE's, HOwever, the T used on your Kymera (R-sky type i guess its called) it probably the weakest T out there.  I've broken several on a few different kites that have c-clips locking the T in place while doing fade launches in thick grass.  Always breaks at the end the spine goes through.


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: KiteLife on January 02, 2012, 03:02 PM
Ah, you're talking about the t-piece, not the ferrule - duh on me, got it now...

I don't doubt your experience, I'm just surprised as Spence and I have both run my kites through the ringer and haven't broken one yet.


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Ca Ike on January 02, 2012, 03:35 PM
Ah, you're talking about the t-piece, not the ferrule - duh on me, got it now...

I don't doubt your experience, I'm just surprised as Spence and I have both run my kites through the ringer and haven't broken one yet.
The beter you get the less you break, or that how it's supposed to go :P  The true newbie "crap its heading for the ground" panic yank, full power drive nose plant will break that T every time but in some ways i guess its better than breaking the spine.  I think sometimes kite makers forget that not everyone that picks up their kites can avoid hard nose plants or other damaging crashes.


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: DWayne on January 02, 2012, 03:39 PM
Preventing nose plants is super easy, just let go of the straps.  ;)

Denny


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: tpatter on January 02, 2012, 03:56 PM
I think the best kite for the 'turbo nose plant' is a solid-carbon framed one like the RockOn or Beetle,  it's  alot to ask of a capable trick kite to be able to survive that kite of punishment with no dmage for more than the occasional oops.


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: KiteLife on January 02, 2012, 05:39 PM
Nothing like a broken kite to encourage better skills. lol

Not making light, just saying. ;)


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Ca Ike on January 02, 2012, 06:04 PM
Nothing like a broken kite to encourage better skills. lol

Not making light, just saying. ;)
Too true lol


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Ca Ike on January 03, 2012, 12:50 PM
Kirby.......You may want to consider this: Without a C-clip above the Center-T a hard nose
plant can cause damage to your sail. So, it's a lot easier and cheaper to replace a Center T
than it will be for you to repair a sail. I mention this, because it happened to me. I doubt
there are very many beginners that learned early on to let go of the flight straps before they
nose planted.   ::)
Letting go of the flight straps can be a bad idea in many ways. The least of which is no control over what the kite will do after not to mention the fact that most beginners I help out either have  the straps on their wrists or use the finger straps. I teach people to run to the kite like they want to catch it before it hits then teach em  how to snap it into a flare landing as they get used to not panicking.


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: KiteLife on January 03, 2012, 02:08 PM
I have to agree with Norm 100%... A rare break of a $2 (or whatever) t-piece far outweighs the cost and grief of repairing or replacing your sail, which IS very likely to be damaged from a nose plant if your t-piece is free floating without stoppers.

Learning to step into the kite or throwing your hands forward (depowering) at the moment of a nose plant or solid crash is a very useful skill, you'll see a lot of fliers do this, myself included.


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: madhabitz on January 03, 2012, 02:36 PM
Learning to step into the kite or throwing your hands forward (depowering) at the moment of a nose plant or solid crash is a very useful skill, you'll see a lot of fliers do this, myself included.

I'm somewhat of an expert on face-planting kites..... or at least I should be, as many times as it's happened to me. My "old" Hypnotist took it like a champ. I could never figure out how it survived so much punishment. Just when I could claim to finally be out of that unplanned landing stage, I'd start trying to learn something else and it would be back to the face plants. I had a line snap once and the kite was spinning out of control-- knew it would be a terrible result if I let it hit the ground, but the thing is, I had enough time to think, to figure out if I walked forward it would slow the spinning way down. I walked and it did slow down, enough for a very gentle landing.

Couple of weeks ago, we had a pretty big wind going. I went out to my favorite park with my Mamba and tried to fly it. The wind was about 10mph, but the gusts were a heavy duty. More than that, each gust came from a different direction. I'd just about decided to break out the SLKs for the day instead when a huge gust caught my kite in the back and down it went. Hard. It happened so fast, there wasn't even time for panic. I broke a spine and feel lucky that's all the damage there was. I'd guess inexperience kept me from reacting instinctively, from muscle memory.  Running forward. Have to remember that for the next crisis.

Ordered a couple of new spines and am back up and running. Now if I could just coordinate a few hours off with a nice breeze. ;-)

Nancy




Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: tpatter on January 03, 2012, 03:32 PM
A good early trick to learn is the belly landing / popup launch / fade.  Get that down and the flick-flack (non-French) is easy to learn, so you get 4 in 1.

It's gets the flyer comfortable with the kite being near / touching the ground but under control and also helps recovering from unplanned nose-plants when you are learning other new tricks and the kite somehow ends up powering down the window.  A nice quick one and it even looks planned!  :)


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Adamld13 on January 03, 2012, 03:32 PM
I dont let go of the straps very often but sometimes you catch a wing tip in high winds and the kite does the "death spin". I find letting go of one of the straps and running forward seems to get it down safely and slowly. I think in my 2 years of flying I have done this twice....Def a last resort in my opinion.



Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: KiteLife on January 03, 2012, 03:42 PM
Along with the flic flac (especially the flare/pancake part), I think the 1/2 axel (or part a comete) is also paramount for avoiding nose plants... They are the fastest ways I know of to kill some or all drive (sail load) and send the nose in another direction, and they can be done from almost any orientation.

I also use the 1/2 axel to get out of tip-wrap generated death spins, along with kind of a comete input (as bad as my comete is).

For terminal death spins (i.e. broken line), they key is just to get that sucker depowered and down to the ground... Run like hell, keep the one good line held back behind your hips, then at the moment it's going to hit the ground, release the hand forward QUICKLY to totally depower the spin, and keep jogging so it doesn't fill up and start again, goal being to get the kite immobilized (like face down).

Of course, just in my own experience.


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: mikenchico on January 03, 2012, 04:59 PM
Yep my panic movement when something fails nose down and powered up too close to the ground is the half axel too like John B says. A one hand punch followed with a pull will depower the kite. Sometimes the pull sets you back up to fly away sometimes not but the kite didn't power into the ground nose first and relaunch is usually easy.


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: tpatter on January 03, 2012, 05:33 PM
2 pt landing is essentially a half axel into the ground, could also just land.   But, if you can do that, then you can just turn.


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Wayner on January 03, 2012, 08:02 PM
Quote from: Norm Pulliam link=topic=5695.msg59613#msg59613 I think you could add the French Flic-Flac to the list.
[/quote

What is the French Flic-Flac?


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: kepople on January 03, 2012, 08:16 PM
Ah, you're talking about the t-piece, not the ferrule - duh on me, got it now...

I don't doubt your experience, I'm just surprised as Spence and I have both run my kites through the ringer and haven't broken one yet.

Let my daughter fly it. She will break it for you...

:-)

 So where can I get a replacement?

Kirby


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Adamld13 on January 03, 2012, 10:44 PM
No offense but I find its crazy you let your daughter fly your kites to begin with!  ??? ???
Why dont you just get her a nexus or quantum? Let her beat the heck out of it.
I think I paid $17 for my first stunt kite, this was 2 years ago....I found it amusing.
Im sure an 11 year old girl could have fun with a kite that is a little more resiliant....heck if its purple im sure that will be enuf. Im not surprised the kymera broke.....these high end kites should have an age window.


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Ca Ike on January 03, 2012, 10:50 PM
No offense but I find its crazy you let your daughter fly your kites to begin with!  ??? ???
Why dont you just get her a nexus or quantum? Let her beat the heck out of it.
I think I paid $17 for my first stunt kite, this was 2 years ago....I found it amusing.
Im sure an 11 year old girl could have fun with a kite that is a little more resiliant....heck if its purple im sure that will be enuf. Im not surprised the kymera broke.....these high end kites should have an age window.

  YEa this is a bit over the top.  MY 5 year old nephew flies and crashes my zephyr a lot and hasn't broke anything on it yet.  IF he pile drives it the tail velcro pops loose, spine slides in the T a bit and thats it.  I just put the spine back in the nose close the velcor and its flying again.


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: KiteLife on January 03, 2012, 11:03 PM
So where can I get a replacement?

Kirby
See if Steve here at GWTW has a replacement t-piece for you... If not, PM me and I can suggest a couple of other places that may the part for you. ;)


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Adamld13 on January 03, 2012, 11:15 PM
All im saying is until you can atleast do an axel on a kite like a quantum or nexus...i dont see the point in flying something like a kymera. I keep my quantum in my bag in case a new flyer wants to give it a try, i dont just let them fly anything..... To each their own.....


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: KiteLife on January 03, 2012, 11:44 PM
Makes sense to me Adam.


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: RobB on January 04, 2012, 04:47 AM
No offense but I find its crazy you let your daughter fly your kites to begin with!  ??? ???
Why dont you just get her a nexus or quantum? Let her beat the heck out of it.
I think I paid $17 for my first stunt kite, this was 2 years ago....I found it amusing.
Im sure an 11 year old girl could have fun with a kite that is a little more resiliant....heck if its purple im sure that will be enuf. Im not surprised the kymera broke.....these high end kites should have an age window.


No, not crazy at all. There are some 11 year olds that can fly circles around 95% of the rest of us. Really, the cost of the kite doesn't matter, if you can get a kid interested in flying, it's worth the risk. Some of my friends though I was nuts giving my 2 year old son the lines of my Prism 4D for his first solo flights. Didn't matter, he had a blast, and the kite survived. Of course, now he calls it 'his kite'. Let him think that... he's got something he likes & is special to him, maybe it will help to keep his interest. Much better than one of those 4D-DS electronic gizmos.

(http://ferob.com/kites/P1080428.jpg)


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: mikenchico on January 04, 2012, 07:50 AM
I let the daughter fly our best kites at 6 or 7 years old although even the Spin-Off UL would cause a face plant when a gust hit. But she could always get her feet swung back in front of her while being dragged even by the Team Kite, dig in her heels and use the kites pull to pick her back up. She asked how to land the kite like I did one night, I held her hands and showed her then turned away for a few seconds when I heard her screaming, she had relaunched, flown to the other side and landed perfectly first try. Kids have a much larger capacity to learn new things then us old dogs, if they have an interest they'll be out flying you in a few weeks. She got her own Rev 2 within a year, as soon as they were introduced, and had control of it in a few minutes unlike me.



Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Krijn on January 04, 2012, 08:13 AM
Quote from: Wayner link=topic=5695.msg59615#msg59615 date=1325649750
[quote author=Norm Pulliam link=topic=5695.msg59613#msg59613 I think you could add the French Flic-Flac to the list.
[/quote

What is the French Flic-Flac?

It is no more than an over rotated Flic-Flac. Rotate it until the nose is pointed back towards you and then unroll it.

I've got a short video of me doing a FFF with a Widowmaker UL , but I'd rather not waste bandwidth.


No, the FrenchFlicFlac is a backflip-frontflip-backflip-frontflip-backflip-frontflip, I guess you may start with the frontflip also.


Krijn


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: DWayne on January 04, 2012, 12:03 PM
A French flik flak aka the flip flop can be seen here @ about the 50 second mark.
Vendetta kite (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA1IJ69tJ1Q#)

Denny


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Adamld13 on January 04, 2012, 01:12 PM
I let the daughter fly our best kites at 6 or 7 years old although even the Spin-Off UL would cause a face plant when a gust hit. But she could always get her feet swung back in front of her while being dragged even by the Team Kite, dig in her heels and use the kites pull to pick her back up. She asked how to land the kite like I did one night, I held her hands and showed her then turned away for a few seconds when I heard her screaming, she had relaunched, flown to the other side and landed perfectly first try. Kids have a much larger capacity to learn new things then us old dogs, if they have an interest they'll be out flying you in a few weeks. She got her own Rev 2 within a year, as soon as they were introduced, and had control of it in a few minutes unlike me.



I guess it all depends on how experienced the flyer is , age doesn't matter.
Faceplant flyers shouldn't be flying 3-4 hundred dollar kites.
Well ..unless u have money to burn.


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Ca Ike on January 04, 2012, 02:31 PM
I let the daughter fly our best kites at 6 or 7 years old although even the Spin-Off UL would cause a face plant when a gust hit. But she could always get her feet swung back in front of her while being dragged even by the Team Kite, dig in her heels and use the kites pull to pick her back up. She asked how to land the kite like I did one night, I held her hands and showed her then turned away for a few seconds when I heard her screaming, she had relaunched, flown to the other side and landed perfectly first try. Kids have a much larger capacity to learn new things then us old dogs, if they have an interest they'll be out flying you in a few weeks. She got her own Rev 2 within a year, as soon as they were introduced, and had control of it in a few minutes unlike me.



I guess it all depends on how experienced the flyer is , age doesn't matter.
Faceplant flyers shouldn't be flying 3-4 hundred dollar kites.
Well ..unless u have money to burn.
THen I guess I should sell all my kites and go back to flying a nexus n jazz  :D


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Adamld13 on January 04, 2012, 02:57 PM
Something to consider.... :D


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Adamld13 on January 04, 2012, 03:02 PM
Anthony, sometimes I think u just like to disagree with everything  :D
Have u ever considered being a lawyer? I hear they love to argue:P


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Ca Ike on January 04, 2012, 03:09 PM
Anthony, sometimes I think u just like to disagree with everything  :D
Have u ever considered being a lawyer? I hear they love to argue:P

Yea I have but I'm not that good of a lier  :D


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: mikenchico on January 04, 2012, 05:30 PM
I've never met a broken kite that couldn't be fixed, I have met some that were not worth fixing. She laughed, we laughed, we have a lifelong bond (she isn't my offspring, just my daughter) hard to put a price on that.

 ;)

There are more then a few other kids who may always remember that old guy who let them fly that cool kite.



Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: chilese on January 04, 2012, 05:43 PM
I teach any new flier on whatever kite I'm flying at the time.

Granted, there is some elbow grabbing from time to time.

Broke some sticks. Increased wear and tear on many. One Vapor sail destroyed (replaced gratis by Mark Reed (thank you)).

All in all, it's something they remember. I've had people come up to me years later and tell me about the time they flew one of my kites.

If they never broke, we wouldn't need new ones and the boutique makers would be gone. Most of them are, in one way or another.

Order an expensive kite today. Blue Moon would be a good starting point.  :)


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: KiteLife on January 04, 2012, 06:04 PM
+1 John. :)


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Adamld13 on January 04, 2012, 06:48 PM


There are more then a few other kids who may always remember that old guy who let them fly that cool kite.



Fair enuf ;D


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Adamld13 on January 04, 2012, 06:53 PM
I teach any new flier on whatever kite I'm flying at the time.

Granted, there is some elbow grabbing from time to time.

Broke some sticks. Increased wear and tear on many. One Vapor sail destroyed (replaced gratis by Mark Reed (thank you)).

All in all, it's something they remember. I've had people come up to me years later and tell me about the time they flew one of my kites.

If they never broke, we wouldn't need new ones and the boutique makers would be gone. Most of them are, in one way or another.

Order an expensive kite today. Blue Moon would be a good starting point.  :)

Very well put John :)


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: kepople on January 04, 2012, 08:14 PM
My daughter can fly fairly well, and has a Sky Dog Thunderstruck to pile drive all she wants.
Sometimes, kids will be kids and wont listen when you tell them something over and over. In this case, take it up high and get used to its responsivness (which its very nice and crisp).
In this case, she did not think to step into it as she has not been flying in a while...

So long story short, she or I could have broken this part. Next time though, if she wont stay up high, then shes done... :)

Yes, she can fly anything of mine i happen to be flying... except maybe my Talon  ;)


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: tpatter on January 04, 2012, 09:08 PM
If you have a few mis-haps when you are 6 or 7, you may be able to fly like this when you are 8!  :)  Just saying...

Widow Maker Demo Kite (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGdubvQdAtE#)



Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Adamld13 on January 04, 2012, 09:21 PM
If you have a few mis-haps when you are 6 or 7, you may be able to fly like this when you are 8!  :)  Just saying...

Widow Maker Demo Kite ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGdubvQdAtE#[/url])




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Wow! That is pretty amazing tom...this is your nephew you have spoken of?


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: tpatter on January 04, 2012, 09:26 PM
Wow! That is pretty amazing tom...this is your nephew you have spoken of?

My son - we've been flying for a few years now.  Seriously, kids pick this stuff up 50x faster - they don't think twice about what they can't do, they just do it.


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Adamld13 on January 04, 2012, 09:34 PM
 :-[ Oh sorry...i dont know why I was thinking nephew.
That is pretty incredible though.....age obviously doesnt matter...i take it back! haha
You are a lucky guy to have such a great hobby to share with your son.


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: madhabitz on January 05, 2012, 01:33 AM

Faceplant flyers shouldn't be flying 3-4 hundred dollar kites.
Well ..unless u have money to burn.

phooey


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: madhabitz on January 05, 2012, 01:42 AM
Seriously, kids pick this stuff up 50x faster - they don't think twice about what they can't do, they just do it.


Ain't that the truth of it? I can still remember how crushed I was when I found out I was supposed to color inside the lines. It's been downhill ever since.

I was hoping you'd post a video of that kid of yours flying. Awesome stuff to see!


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: RobB on January 05, 2012, 04:40 AM
How I wish I had picked up a Peter Powell stunter (I don't think there was much else to choose from in the late 70s) when I was 10-15 years old... I might have had a chance at being good. Or, it would've taken a couple years to get good instead of a couple of decades.

I've been watching Tom's son's videos, and that's the inspiration for me to put the lines in my kid's hands early and whenever they're interested.



Back to the original topic...
I got a Kymera as a gift recently, and have been out with it a few times. The wind has been pretty poor, but I can tell the kite's got some great promise. A number of interesting features, decent build, as good as a modern Prism, I'd say, maybe better. I've flown it in the winds that go from 5mph to 15mph, and shift all over, but have been able to string some nice combinations together in the lulls and punch some sharp turns and straight lines when it's gusting.
I do need to get a line on spare parts, as the velcro in the tail let go and spilled my tail weights somewhere on the field. The barrel weight isn't unique, but the weight that caps the spine seems pretty unique. I wonder if the distributers can get parts yet, or if it would just be quicker to try to fabricate the part. I would just need an idea of the weight of that T piece, or maybe a suggestion of material to fabricate it from.
Thanks....


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: kepople on January 05, 2012, 06:56 AM
It was suggested that the center T from a Prism Zephyr would work?
true?

if so, GWTW has those listed for $6


Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: mikenchico on January 05, 2012, 07:31 AM
...
I do need to get a line on spare parts ... The barrel weight isn't unique, but the weight that caps the spine seems pretty unique...
Thanks....

I haven't seen what the Kymera uses but I wonder if a door hinge pin might work there, that was a popular way to weight kites at one time. They fit inside Skyshark tubes and have a mushroomed head, you just cut them off at a suitable length for the weight you need. It wouldn't be that T shape but could be a suitable replacement and easier to fab then cross drilling a metal rod.



Title: Re: ITW Kymera from Barresi...
Post by: Gamelord on January 05, 2012, 11:04 AM
Steve should be able to get you any part you may need.  I also have a huge selection of parts and if I don't have it in stock, we can always order it in for you. :)

Basically, any true kite shop that carries parts should be able to take care of you.  The parts on the Kymeria are not any different from most every other kite on the market.  The weights could be specialized but again, they can always be ordered in if they are not carried in normal stock.