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Title: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: ndcmpc on August 10, 2011, 01:42 PM
MEFM Maxi has been found.  Mr. Ray Bordelon of Big Easy Kites came though with one of the approximate 50 of these ever built - his own personal kite.  Thanks, Ray for letting me own this classic.

In honor of the occasion, I pulled out a couple other big wing classics.  A fun afternoon.

(http://thumb4.webshots.net/t/84/84/9/3/94/2863903940051611044DGiHqT_th.jpg) (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2863903940051611044DGiHqT)


Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: brettgrant99 on August 10, 2011, 05:44 PM
Its been like 10 years, a new gwtw owner, and a couple iterations of the board, right? ::)

Congratulations,
Brett


Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: Stardragon on August 10, 2011, 06:10 PM
This isn't April 1st, Doug.

Ron


Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: JimB on August 10, 2011, 09:11 PM
Hallelujah!


Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: zippy8 on August 10, 2011, 10:04 PM
Mauler, MEFM Maxi..... if KiteAddiction.com comes back then I might start to think that these omens portend the coming of The End Times.

Mike,
repent.


Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: Mauler on August 17, 2011, 05:53 PM
Mauler, MEFM Maxi..... if KiteAddiction.com comes back then I might start to think that these omens portend the coming of The End Times.

Mike,
repent.


Well, I wouldn't say I'm "back", really.  Just bored :)

At this point, I'm still doing more beer drinking than kite flying!  Gotta get my butt out to the field more often.  But quite honestly, I'm not sure what happened to the kiting scene.  10 years ago it was a whole lot more exciting to be around here.  Used to be a hundred posts per day, lots more kites for sale at GWTW (now Chico Kites), and new tricks coming out.  I remember when videos of the French trick fliers started to circulate.  Wow, very eye-opening and jaw-dropping stuff.  Back then, there was new L'Atelier, R-Sky, Blue Moon (and others) kite designs coming out all the time, the introduction of Nirvana, Transfer, Masque, etc. plus quad lines too -- Rev Supersonic, power kites, etc.  I just don't see that nowadays;  GWTW sells *zero* quad line kites now.  Prism and Flying Wings comprise 90% of the dual-line kites that GWTW sells now.  Gone are all the R-Sky, L'Atelier, Level One, Cavaliers du Ciel, Benson, and many more kitemakers.  I don't know what happened.

Also, it seems like there were lots more independent kitemakers back then... Lam Hoac, Dreamweaver, Graziano, myself, and others that I can't remember right now.  Things seem to have faded quite a bit over the last several years.


BTW, I really liked those old advertisements and catalogs.  I have a few Into The Wind catalogs from the early 90s sitting in my basement.  I love looking through those from time to time.


Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: Netling on October 18, 2012, 05:12 PM
MEFM Maxi has been found.  Mr. Ray Bordelon of Big Easy Kites came though with one of the approximate 50 of these ever built - his own personal kite.  Thanks, Ray for letting me own this classic.

In honor of the occasion, I pulled out a couple other big wing classics.  A fun afternoon.

([url]http://thumb4.webshots.net/t/84/84/9/3/94/2863903940051611044DGiHqT_th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2863903940051611044DGiHqT[/url])


Well, I might have one of the fifty... I worked at pro-kites in panama city beach in the early to mid ninties and bought a big easy mefm and still have it... It been in storage a long time and thinking about selling it... Thoughts? You can contact me at 719 area code 387-7200, Chuck


Title: Re: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: coop on October 18, 2012, 05:14 PM
I might be very interested in the mefm.


Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: white wing lover on October 18, 2012, 05:16 PM
Now in the hands of "a gentleman and a scholar".....


Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: ndcmpc on October 18, 2012, 08:37 PM
MEFM Maxi has been found.  Mr. Ray Bordelon of Big Easy Kites came though with one of the approximate 50 of these ever built - his own personal kite.  Thanks, Ray for letting me own this classic.

In honor of the occasion, I pulled out a couple other big wing classics.  A fun afternoon.

([url]http://thumb4.webshots.net/t/84/84/9/3/94/2863903940051611044DGiHqT_th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2863903940051611044DGiHqT[/url])


Well, I might have one of the fifty... I worked at pro-kites in panama city beach in the early to mid ninties and bought a big easy mefm and still have it... It been in storage a long time and thinking about selling it... Thoughts? You can contact me at 719 area code 387-7200, Chuck


MEFM or Maxi-MEFM?  I have plenty of the MEFMs.  I would consider another Maxi.  What color/design is it?  Ray made some with curved panels and some with straight and even a few with butterfly designs.

I will give you a call tomorrow.  Don't suspect you would appreciate a call this late.


Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: ndcmpc on October 19, 2012, 07:49 AM
Quote
[...] if KiteAddiction.com comes back

I wonder what ever happened to that Yellow, Blue & Black BMK Mako ([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/skb/misc%20stuff/BMK_Mako_kiteaddiction_prizekite.jpg[/url]) that was the prize to be awarded to the person with the closest guess to KiteAddiction.com's return?


I don't recall my prediction, but can I claim the Mako if I find the elusive website?  Behold!

http://www.kiteaddiction.com.au/ (http://www.kiteaddiction.com.au/)

Heh, heh, heh  ;)


Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: Netling on October 21, 2012, 07:18 PM
MEFM Maxi has been found.  Mr. Ray Bordelon of Big Easy Kites came though with one of the approximate 50 of these ever built - his own personal kite.  Thanks, Ray for letting me own this classic.

In honor of the occasion, I pulled out a couple other big wing classics.  A fun afternoon.

([url]http://thumb4.webshots.net/t/84/84/9/3/94/2863903940051611044DGiHqT_th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2863903940051611044DGiHqT[/url])


Well, I might have one of the fifty... I worked at pro-kites in panama city beach in the early to mid ninties and bought a big easy mefm and still have it... It been in storage a long time and thinking about selling it... Thoughts? You can contact me at 719 area code 387-7200, Chuck


Hi Everyone,

Sorry, I've had a crazy weekend and didn't have time to get photos but will get them tomorrow (Monday).

Thanks,
Chuck


Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: ndcmpc on October 22, 2012, 12:56 PM
MEFM Maxi has been found.  Mr. Ray Bordelon of Big Easy Kites came though with one of the approximate 50 of these ever built - his own personal kite.  Thanks, Ray for letting me own this classic.

In honor of the occasion, I pulled out a couple other big wing classics.  A fun afternoon.

([url]http://thumb4.webshots.net/t/84/84/9/3/94/2863903940051611044DGiHqT_th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2863903940051611044DGiHqT[/url])


Well, I might have one of the fifty... I worked at pro-kites in panama city beach in the early to mid ninties and bought a big easy mefm and still have it... It been in storage a long time and thinking about selling it... Thoughts? You can contact me at 719 area code 387-7200, Chuck


Hi Everyone,

Sorry, I've had a crazy weekend and didn't have time to get photos but will get them tomorrow (Monday).

Thanks,
Chuck


Looking forward to seeing it.


Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: Netling on October 25, 2012, 08:54 AM
MEFM Maxi has been found.  Mr. Ray Bordelon of Big Easy Kites came though with one of the approximate 50 of these ever built - his own personal kite.  Thanks, Ray for letting me own this classic.

In honor of the occasion, I pulled out a couple other big wing classics.  A fun afternoon.

([url]http://thumb4.webshots.net/t/84/84/9/3/94/2863903940051611044DGiHqT_th.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2863903940051611044DGiHqT[/url])


Well, I might have one of the fifty... I worked at pro-kites in panama city beach in the early to mid ninties and bought a big easy mefm and still have it... It been in storage a long time and thinking about selling it... Thoughts? You can contact me at 719 area code 387-7200, Chuck


Hi Everyone,

Sorry, I've had a crazy weekend and didn't have time to get photos but will get them tomorrow (Monday).

Thanks,
Chuck


Sorry for the delay, personal issues.  Here is a link to my flickr account as the photos was to large and to many to post here.  http://www.flickr.com/photos/89177713@N03/sets/72157631851083010/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/89177713@N03/sets/72157631851083010/)

Also the video is limited to 1:30, so I will edit to allow you to see the height on it's side... I'm 5'6" and it's 3 feet over me.


Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: coop on October 25, 2012, 11:21 AM
I dont think thats a Maxi. Just an early MEFM before the clamshell fittings.


Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: ndcmpc on October 25, 2012, 01:34 PM
Nice color.  It looks like it was a custom build.  The keel has the lollipop color, but the stock lollipop had rainbow colors on the wings, not the blue, purple black stripes like you see here. 

You didn't provide enough detail to determine if it is a Maxi MEFM or just a regular one, but I suspect it is the latter.  If it is 3 feet taller than you across the wingtips when assembled, it is likely a regular size MEFM, as they run a little over 8 feet wingtip to wingtip.  The maxi runs a bit over 10 feet wingtip to wingtip. 


Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: Michel on October 26, 2012, 12:26 AM
I dont think thats a Maxi. Just an early MEFM before the clamshell fittings.


I don't think so...  ;)

It's probably a Maxi because we can see on the video :

- The nose is larger as on the classic MEFM,
- The spine seems to be in two parts and is ferruled.

Have a look on the trailing edge on the back of the sail. Ray Bordelon always signed his kites there.

P.S. : how is called this MEFM color ? purple rainbow? it's not a lollipop I think but a custom MEFM (Most Expensive Flying Machine  ;) ).

(http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/822/mefm.jpg)


Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: Netling on October 26, 2012, 12:52 PM
Hi Everyone,

Please let me know exactly what you would like from me.

1. Measure the wing tip to tip.
2. Measure spine length.
3. Look for signature. (I know it originally had one and I lightly looked for it but not on the back.)
4. ???

Let me know what else you would like.  I do know that this was an early one, because when I was working at Pro-Kites Unlimited it was a huge deal about getting one of the first...  Jason (I forgot his last name), owner of Pro-Kites Unlimited had access to almost anything but didn't get one of these because they only had one to sell and I bought it, he didn't mind, he was really cool like that.

Thanks for the input so far!

Regards,
Chuck


Title: Re: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: coop on October 26, 2012, 01:05 PM
Wing tip to tip measurment should do it. Maxi's were a bit over ten feet.


Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: Michel on October 26, 2012, 01:17 PM
Hi Everyone,

Please let me know exactly what you would like from me.

1. Measure the wing tip to tip.
2. Measure spine length.
3. Look for signature. (I know it originally had one and I lightly looked for it but not on the back.)

1 measure : 30 seconds time ?  ;)
2 measures: 1 minute ?  ;)
2 measures + a look for signature : 1 minute 10 ?  ;)

=> You can give all three !  :D


Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: ndcmpc on October 26, 2012, 07:17 PM
Hi Everyone,

Please let me know exactly what you would like from me.

1. Measure the wing tip to tip.
2. Measure spine length.
3. Look for signature. (I know it originally had one and I lightly looked for it but not on the back.)
4. ???

Let me know what else you would like.  I do know that this was an early one, because when I was working at Pro-Kites Unlimited it was a huge deal about getting one of the first...  Jason (I forgot his last name), owner of Pro-Kites Unlimited had access to almost anything but didn't get one of these because they only had one to sell and I bought it, he didn't mind, he was really cool like that.

Thanks for the input so far!

Regards,
Chuck

Hi Chuck,

When we talked, I asked for the length of the leading edge from the nose to the tip.  That is the best measurement IMHO.  Wingtip to wingtip only works if the kite is correctly assembled.  I don't care about the spine or signatures.

Differences between the MEFM - leading edge about 60", spine about 39".  Maxi - leading edge about 80", spine about 49".  I say about, because there could be slight differences based on generations and how one measures.

Let us know what you discover.


Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: ndcmpc on October 26, 2012, 07:59 PM
I dont think thats a Maxi. Just an early MEFM before the clamshell fittings.


I don't think so...  ;)

It's probably a Maxi because we can see on the video :

- The nose is larger as on the classic MEFM,
- The spine seems to be in two parts and is ferruled.

Have a look on the trailing edge on the back of the sail. Ray Bordelon always signed his kites there.

P.S. : how is called this MEFM color ? purple rainbow? it's not a lollipop I think but a custom MEFM (Most Expensive Flying Machine  ;) ).

([url]http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/822/mefm.jpg[/url])


I have a couple of Ray's kites with no markings (and yes, I know to look on the back).  I did find some faint ink on the back of one often flown MEFM using a magnifying glass that I thought lacked a marking, so apparently the pen he used sometimes wore off if the kite was well used.  Another MEFM has none.  I have a couple other MEFMs that are marked.  I have two basically new, old stock EFMs with no signature, so it didn't wear off of them.  My featherweights and M2s are marked.  My Maxi-MEFM is not marked, but it was one Ray built for himself, so that may be the reason.  So you won't always find a signature.

Good point on the ferruled spine.  My Maxi is ferruled, but the ferrule is internal, not external and is above the spine.  Mine is a later generation with wrapped rods and the clamshell spreader connectors.  That might be an indicator, but I would still rather have the leading edge measurements.

I agree on the color.  It must be a custom.


Title: Re: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: coop on October 26, 2012, 08:04 PM
Wanna sell an EFM? ;D


Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: Michel on October 26, 2012, 09:58 PM
For the signature : of course, all the kites built ​​by Ray Bordelon are not signed, or the signature is sometimes deleted...

But when they are signed, the signature is always at the back of the trailing edge.

It costs nothing to check !  ;)



Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: Netling on November 01, 2012, 06:55 PM
Hi Everyone,

Sorry, a minute here and there is tough when you are moving, 288 miles away from storage and I'm also traveling, so I'm in Florida right now!  However, before I left I took photos with some paper measuring 'tape', you can check out the photos on my Flickr account. (See earlier post for the link.)  Additionally, being that I am near Boulder Colorado, I believe Into The Wind has a shop there that I can get them to look at the MEFM.  Upon my return I will get better measurements, sorry was in a hurry and my tool box is packed up... working with what I've had in hand. :-)

I couldn't find a signature but I do remember one... I also did clean the kite a couple of time because it got dirty a couple of times, so either it got washed off or came off over time.

As for selling, yes I am interested in selling this to a good home.

Regards,
Chuck


Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: ndcmpc on November 02, 2012, 08:01 PM
No need for more measurements.  Your measurements showed what I needed.  Your spine and LE measurements make it a regular MEFM, not a Maxi.  I have plenty MEFMs, so I will pass.

Thanks for taking the time to show it to us.  Hopefully someone else will be interested.


Title: Re: Most Elusive Flying Machine
Post by: Netling on November 29, 2012, 03:34 PM
Hi All,

Ok, so after a moving two houses, a conference, thanksgiving and a few other crazy things, I'm back.  Was there anything else anyone wanted to know about this?  Is there any of you interested in buying it?  I am now living near Boulder and going to take it to Into The Wind to be fixed... any thought?

Thanks,
Chuck